Comments on: Schwarzenegger “Lies” Redux

By: Attila Girl

Attila Girl — Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:12:42 +0000

I would also think that the word "debate" could be used informally to designate this media back-and-forth--the statements as they were being reported at the time.

By: ronnie schreiber

ronnie schreiber — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:41:32 +0000

Like Harry Nillsson said in The Point, people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.

Kos wanted to find something to attack so he jumped on what he perceived as a flaw.

By: charles austin

charles austin — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:13:26 +0000

It is also worth noting that while Kos "corrects" himself, he only does so by noting that he was wrong at the bottom of the post, leaving the mistake up and still bolded in the main post. Oh, and he maintains he's right anyway because Arnold said it somewhere else. Kos has two links, one of which contains no quotation marks that would indicate Arnold actually said it, and the other that does. Presumably the first reference (Sacramento Bee) was cribbed from the second (indirect reference to the LA Times). Even so, this is very thin gruel and doesn't change the point Arnold was trying to make.

By: charles austin

charles austin — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:02:05 +0000

Maybe Kos thinks bolding his keen observation makes it extra special true, or perhaps just true when it otherwise isn't. Maybe he'll start posting in all caps just to let us all know how much he really, really means it next time.

By: Chad

Chad — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:52:49 +0000

That is very true James. If you recall your history, it was the debate between JFK and Nixon on television, the first one ever, that pulled JFK far ahead of Nixon. I studied this single debate and issue of the use of media in election years extensively while in college. The televised debate between the two was seen as the decisive factor.

What Schwarzenegger was most likely referring to was the idea of the two candidates facing off for an election. The media before the advent of television into a debate cycle covered opposing statements of each candidate. It is extrememly plausible that the news of the day had a comment by Humphry claiming one thing followed directly by Nixon claiming another.

Just like today, the media follows both candidates and also showed a slight bias towards the more "media-friendly" candidate. It's funny how the media never changes regardless of how many people attack it.

By: David R. Block

David R. Block — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:38:26 +0000

Arnold = Hitler is clearly a Nazi as are all Demon rats. (At least many of them act possessed.)

See, two can play that game. And "Repugs" is the sure sign of a troll.

By: Ugh

Ugh — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:23:19 +0000

Atrios has links to other times when he does refer to "debates" (including in his autobiography). But really, not such a big deal.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:22:15 +0000

Thanks, bithead, for confirming that I wasn't seeing things. Arnold's quote talks about the race and seeing the candidates speak, not in serial fashion, and Kos jumps the shark. Pinhead.

By: carpeicthus

carpeicthus — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:45:33 +0000

Arnold = Hitler, please find another bridge to crawl under. I'm sure you wouldn't want to meet Meezer's grandmother Bithead, take note: this is what flouting Godwin's Law looks like to the other side. It isn't pretty, and it sure isn't smart.

By: Bithead

Bithead — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:40:39 +0000

Say rather, GOVERNMENT education at work.
All Arnie ever said was he heard each of the candidates speak.

Now, if Kos can prove that they never spoke during that election...

By: Meezer

Meezer — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:37:18 +0000

American education at work. It would sure make discourse with the Left easier if they had any idea what a Nazi is. My grandmother (American born but spent WWII trapped in Germany) would wash out Arnold=Hitler's mouth with soap.

By: Arnold = Hitler

Arnold = Hitler — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:19:48 +0000

Did anyone mention that the Nazinator had a a Nazi dad? Hmmm, answer this Repugs, know any other nazis with German accents?

I will, as he is clearly a Nazi like all Repugs.

By: Tiger

Tiger — Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:08:36 +0000

What, you suspect Kos of slantin' the truth so as to support his anti-Bush position? Who woulda thunk it?