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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136863</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or, looking at it another way, I&#039;m talking about the rule of law, and you&#039;re talking about the rule of mob.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, we are talking about equal justice under the law.  What happened to Libby doesn&#039;t qualify. Which is why the President was required to step in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or, looking at it another way, I'm talking about the rule of law, and you're talking about the rule of mob.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, we are talking about equal justice under the law.  What happened to Libby doesn't qualify. Which is why the President was required to step in.</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scooter Libby- Two wrongs</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scooter Libby- Two wrongs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Unless the President feels the need to review every federal sentence handed down. Steve Verdon at OTB lists some convicted federal felons who are far more deserving of a commutation than Libby is. Is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unless the President feels the need to review every federal sentence handed down. Steve Verdon at OTB lists some convicted federal felons who are far more deserving of a commutation than Libby is. Is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136800</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charles,
    As far as I&#039;m aware it wasn&#039;t a plea deal, it was a public admission of wrongdoing, which is legally quite different.  There was never an admission of having committed a crime, and there was never a conviction of having committed a crime, so there was no possibility that Clinton could face jail time.

I understand you feel that he was guilty, regardless of what was decided in the courts of law.  But the fact of the matter is that we are a nation of laws and not of men.  We follow those laws even when we don&#039;t like their result, because the alternative is far worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles,<br />
    As far as I'm aware it wasn't a plea deal, it was a public admission of wrongdoing, which is legally quite different.  There was never an admission of having committed a crime, and there was never a conviction of having committed a crime, so there was no possibility that Clinton could face jail time.</p>
<p>I understand you feel that he was guilty, regardless of what was decided in the courts of law.  But the fact of the matter is that we are a nation of laws and not of men.  We follow those laws even when we don't like their result, because the alternative is far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136790</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, Bill Clinton plead guilty to avoid a trial and any further punishment.  You can say he wasn&#039;t convicted all you like, but it is a distinction without a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, Bill Clinton plead guilty to avoid a trial and any further punishment.  You can say he wasn't convicted all you like, but it is a distinction without a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136781</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;See the difference, here, he is; we&#039;re talking about justice. You&#039;re talking about technicalities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or, looking at it another way, I&#039;m talking about the rule of law, and you&#039;re talking about the rule of mob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>See the difference, here, he is; we're talking about justice. You're talking about technicalities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or, looking at it another way, I'm talking about the rule of law, and you're talking about the rule of mob.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the difference, here, he is; we&#039;re talking about justice.  You&#039;re talking about technicalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the difference, here, he is; we're talking about justice.  You're talking about technicalities.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136758</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bill Clinton was banned from practicing law in the state of Arkansas and fined $25,000 following his admission of guilt as part of a deal with prosecutors to avoid further charges once he left office. He was also subsequently disbarred from pleading before the Supreme Court as well in an independent action.&lt;/blockquote&gt;All of which is still not a &lt;b&gt;conviction&lt;/b&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This penalty is noticeably less severe that that given to Mr. Libby both in financial terms and in terms of carrying a felony conviction on your record. Clearly, Bill Clinton must have been important and politically well connected to avoid the penalty pronounced on Mr. Libby.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Or, it could be that Mr. Libby was &lt;b&gt;convicted&lt;/b&gt; while Mr. Clinton was not.

What is so hard to understand about the fact that you &lt;b&gt;cannot be sentenced&lt;/b&gt; for a crime until you have been &lt;b&gt;convicted&lt;/b&gt; of that crime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bill Clinton was banned from practicing law in the state of Arkansas and fined $25,000 following his admission of guilt as part of a deal with prosecutors to avoid further charges once he left office. He was also subsequently disbarred from pleading before the Supreme Court as well in an independent action.</p></blockquote>
<p>All of which is still not a <b>conviction</b>.</p>
<blockquote><p>This penalty is noticeably less severe that that given to Mr. Libby both in financial terms and in terms of carrying a felony conviction on your record. Clearly, Bill Clinton must have been important and politically well connected to avoid the penalty pronounced on Mr. Libby.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or, it could be that Mr. Libby was <b>convicted</b> while Mr. Clinton was not.</p>
<p>What is so hard to understand about the fact that you <b>cannot be sentenced</b> for a crime until you have been <b>convicted</b> of that crime?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136753</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Clinton was banned from practicing law in the state of Arkansas and fined $25,000 following his admission of guilt as part of a deal with prosecutors to avoid further charges once he left office.  He was also subsequently disbarred from pleading before the Supreme Court as well in an independent action. 

This penalty is noticeably less severe that that given to Mr. Libby both in financial terms and in terms of carrying a felony conviction on your record.  Clearly, Bill Clinton must have been important and politically well connected to avoid the penalty pronounced on Mr. Libby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Clinton was banned from practicing law in the state of Arkansas and fined $25,000 following his admission of guilt as part of a deal with prosecutors to avoid further charges once he left office.  He was also subsequently disbarred from pleading before the Supreme Court as well in an independent action. </p>
<p>This penalty is noticeably less severe that that given to Mr. Libby both in financial terms and in terms of carrying a felony conviction on your record.  Clearly, Bill Clinton must have been important and politically well connected to avoid the penalty pronounced on Mr. Libby.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136706</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What would you call lying to a grand jury?&lt;/blockquote&gt;The key word I used was &lt;b&gt;convicted&lt;/b&gt;.  You can only sentence someone if they are &lt;b&gt;convicted&lt;/b&gt; of a crime.  Libby was &lt;b&gt;convicted&lt;/b&gt; of perjury, Clinton was not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What would you call lying to a grand jury?</p></blockquote>
<p>The key word I used was <b>convicted</b>.  You can only sentence someone if they are <b>convicted</b> of a crime.  Libby was <b>convicted</b> of perjury, Clinton was not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136694</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was Bill Clinton convicted of perjury? Not that I know of.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What would you call lying to a grand jury?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was Bill Clinton convicted of perjury? Not that I know of.</p></blockquote>
<p>What would you call lying to a grand jury?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136681</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So why isn&#039;t Bill Clinton in jail?
Oh, wait, he&#039;s a Democrat, and Libby a Repuyblican. So the reason that the Democrats want Libby in jail is what, again?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Was Bill Clinton convicted of perjury?  Not that I know of.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But, that&#039;s not what he was convicted of. It&#039;s apparently the little facts what slip by you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, it&#039;s not what he was convicted of, but it is what the investigation was about.  From your comment:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Libby as convicted based on an &lt;b&gt;investigation of an action that was not even a crime.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The investigation was of an actual crime.  The perjury conviction was based on that investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So why isn't Bill Clinton in jail?<br />
Oh, wait, he's a Democrat, and Libby a Repuyblican. So the reason that the Democrats want Libby in jail is what, again?</p></blockquote>
<p>Was Bill Clinton convicted of perjury?  Not that I know of.</p>
<blockquote><p>But, that's not what he was convicted of. It's apparently the little facts what slip by you.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it's not what he was convicted of, but it is what the investigation was about.  From your comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>Libby as convicted based on an <b>investigation of an action that was not even a crime.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>The investigation was of an actual crime.  The perjury conviction was based on that investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scooter_libby_granted_clemency/comment-page-1/#comment-136677</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Michael, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, and perjury.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So why isn&#039;t Bill Clinton in jail?  
Oh, wait, he&#039;s a Democrat, and Libby a Repuyblican.  So the reason that the Democrats want Libby in jail is what, again?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Disclosing the identity of a covert operative is in fact a crime&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, that&#039;s not what he was convicted of.  It&#039;s apparently the little facts what slip by you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Michael, </p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, and perjury.</p></blockquote>
<p>So why isn't Bill Clinton in jail?<br />
Oh, wait, he's a Democrat, and Libby a Repuyblican.  So the reason that the Democrats want Libby in jail is what, again?</p>
<blockquote><p>Disclosing the identity of a covert operative is in fact a crime</p></blockquote>
<p>But, that's not what he was convicted of.  It's apparently the little facts what slip by you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Scooter Libby- Two wrongs...&lt;/strong&gt;

The reaction of the conservative blogosphere seems predictable to me....</description>
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<p>The reaction of the conservative blogosphere seems predictable to me....</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most of them made the fatal mistake of not having money, influential friends and family, or going to court with a public defender.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, and committing a crime.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The only thing Libby was guilty of is being a republican.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, and perjury.

&lt;blockquote&gt;“I don’t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware.”
GWB

I guess the rules change when the crime is obstructing justice to protect Cheney and Rove.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Bush didn&#039;t replace the jury&#039;s verdict, he changed the judge&#039;s sentence.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Libby as convicted based on an investigation of an action that was not even a crime.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Disclosing the identity of a covert operative is in fact a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most of them made the fatal mistake of not having money, influential friends and family, or going to court with a public defender.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, and committing a crime.</p>
<blockquote><p>The only thing Libby was guilty of is being a republican.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, and perjury.</p>
<blockquote><p>“I don&rsquo;t believe my role is to replace the verdict of a jury with my own, unless there are new facts or evidence of which a jury was unaware.”<br />
GWB</p>
<p>I guess the rules change when the crime is obstructing justice to protect Cheney and Rove.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bush didn't replace the jury's verdict, he changed the judge's sentence.</p>
<blockquote><p>Libby as convicted based on an investigation of an action that was not even a crime.</p></blockquote>
<p>Disclosing the identity of a covert operative is in fact a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik : Law and Order</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik : Law and Order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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