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		<title>By: What Happened? &#171; Just Above Sunset</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scott_mcclellan_cashes_in/comment-page-1/#comment-385838</link>
		<dc:creator>What Happened? &#171; Just Above Sunset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] were unsurprisingly unimpressed. James Joyner at Outside the Beltway tells us that McClellan &#8220;was a Bush confidante, dutifully passed on the administration&#8217;s talking points, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] were unsurprisingly unimpressed. James Joyner at Outside the Beltway tells us that McClellan &#8220;was a Bush confidante, dutifully passed on the administration&#8217;s talking points, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: McClellan&#8217;s Book Lacks Much of Anything &#187; The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>McClellan&#8217;s Book Lacks Much of Anything &#187; The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] list and become a footnote of the Bush Presidency. So even though he possesses the &#8220;moral fiber of a jailhouse snitch&#8221; McClellan could be disappointed with his payday. Maybe he&#8217;s just happy to be in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] list and become a footnote of the Bush Presidency. So even though he possesses the &#8220;moral fiber of a jailhouse snitch&#8221; McClellan could be disappointed with his payday. Maybe he&#8217;s just happy to be in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: seekthetruth</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scott_mcclellan_cashes_in/comment-page-1/#comment-384632</link>
		<dc:creator>seekthetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...perhaps not, but whom do you suppose the book is geared for,those doing victory dances at TALKLEFT, for example?
Hey Bithead, maybe it&#039;s to open the eyes of the blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...perhaps not, but whom do you suppose the book is geared for,those doing victory dances at TALKLEFT, for example?<br />
Hey Bithead, maybe it's to open the eyes of the blind.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Problematic&quot;. Wow. Them&#039;s pretty strong words compared to this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;He gladly enjoyed the perquisites of power and is now cashing in by betraying the confidence of his former bosses and colleagues. He’s possessed of all the moral fiber of a jailhouse snitch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, silly me for presuming you were still apologizing for Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Problematic". Wow. Them's pretty strong words compared to this:</p>
<blockquote><p>He gladly enjoyed the perquisites of power and is now cashing in by betraying the confidence of his former bosses and colleagues. He&rsquo;s possessed of all the moral fiber of a jailhouse snitch.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, silly me for presuming you were still apologizing for Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m somewhat less than outraged by that given the political environment and what I think was a sincere belief that they were pursuing the greater good. But, yes, it&#039;s highly problematic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This level of parsing and triangulation would do a Clinton proud...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm somewhat less than outraged by that given the political environment and what I think was a sincere belief that they were pursuing the greater good. But, yes, it's highly problematic.</p></blockquote>
<p>This level of parsing and triangulation would do a Clinton proud...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But the problem with your posting, James, is that you don&#039;t at all care that Bush&#039;s group dragged the country to war on false pretenses - your outrage is limited to the guy who snitched.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Depending on one&#039;s perspective, that&#039;s either old news or still not known. As a general rule, I tend to discount the statements of admitted liars who stand to profit from more lies.

My longstanding view on this (going back to perhaps mid-2003) has been that Bush and company propagandized the war, overhyping evidence that supported their position and downplaying countervailing evidence. I&#039;m somewhat less than outraged by that given the political environment and what I think was a sincere belief that they were pursuing the greater good.  But, yes, it&#039;s highly problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the problem with your posting, James, is that you don't at all care that Bush's group dragged the country to war on false pretenses - your outrage is limited to the guy who snitched.</p></blockquote>
<p>Depending on one's perspective, that's either old news or still not known. As a general rule, I tend to discount the statements of admitted liars who stand to profit from more lies.</p>
<p>My longstanding view on this (going back to perhaps mid-2003) has been that Bush and company propagandized the war, overhyping evidence that supported their position and downplaying countervailing evidence. I'm somewhat less than outraged by that given the political environment and what I think was a sincere belief that they were pursuing the greater good.  But, yes, it's highly problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course because I do not credit those assumptions, I&#039;m a hack?

Get off my lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course because I do not credit those assumptions, I'm a hack?</p>
<p>Get off my lawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M1EK, you&#039;re making some asumptions, aren&#039;t you?
And, you speak up now because you managed to find someone who credits those assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M1EK, you're making some asumptions, aren't you?<br />
And, you speak up now because you managed to find someone who credits those assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/scott_mcclellan_cashes_in/comment-page-1/#comment-384422</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we hear from McClellan is a combination of &quot;I went along with some bad stuff&quot; and &quot;they did some other bad stuff I didn&#039;t know about at the time&quot;. Depending on the ratio, one can certainly make the case that he went along too much.

But the problem with your posting, James, is that you &lt;strong&gt;don&#039;t at all care that Bush&#039;s group dragged the country to war on false pretenses&lt;/strong&gt; - your outrage is limited to the guy who snitched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we hear from McClellan is a combination of "I went along with some bad stuff" and "they did some other bad stuff I didn't know about at the time". Depending on the ratio, one can certainly make the case that he went along too much.</p>
<p>But the problem with your posting, James, is that you <strong>don't at all care that Bush's group dragged the country to war on false pretenses</strong> - your outrage is limited to the guy who snitched.</p>
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		<title>By: Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I get your point, but let&#039;s just assume for the sake of my point that the lead up to war was in fact a snow job by the Administration.  (Obviously a debatable point).  In that case, on the scale of honor/dishonor, participating in the snow-job chalks up so many dishonorable points that the few additional points that might be assessed for &quot;ratting&quot; it out for cash later don&#039;t put him in much worse a camp than he was in already.  To me, what Liddy and Dean did in the early 70s are pretty much the same.  Your respect for Colson may have more to do with the idea of redemption for later acts than deeming what he did while in the White House &quot;respectful.&quot;

And frankly, I find books like Dean&#039;s Blind Ambition useful whether they are true or not -- reading stories of how things went wrong are useful for those who follow in their footsteps.  Or at least useful for those who read.

Actually, your mention of Dean made me chuckle a bit, since you also said of McCllelan, &quot;If he thought these things were wrong at the time, he had a duty to fight to stop it and, if overruled, resign in protest and inform Congress.&quot;  That is one way of viewing what Dean did.  Can I gently ask whether there is any winning you over for someone with something harsh to say about a Republican President?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Either a man has integrity or he doesn’t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, this black and white dichotomy sounds so familiar . . .  I can&#039;t quite place it.  I think from some guy standing behind a podium with an eagle seal and in front of a blue curtain with an oval sign . . . dang, I can&#039;t remember.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I get your point, but let's just assume for the sake of my point that the lead up to war was in fact a snow job by the Administration.  (Obviously a debatable point).  In that case, on the scale of honor/dishonor, participating in the snow-job chalks up so many dishonorable points that the few additional points that might be assessed for "ratting" it out for cash later don't put him in much worse a camp than he was in already.  To me, what Liddy and Dean did in the early 70s are pretty much the same.  Your respect for Colson may have more to do with the idea of redemption for later acts than deeming what he did while in the White House "respectful."</p>
<p>And frankly, I find books like Dean's Blind Ambition useful whether they are true or not -- reading stories of how things went wrong are useful for those who follow in their footsteps.  Or at least useful for those who read.</p>
<p>Actually, your mention of Dean made me chuckle a bit, since you also said of McCllelan, "If he thought these things were wrong at the time, he had a duty to fight to stop it and, if overruled, resign in protest and inform Congress."  That is one way of viewing what Dean did.  Can I gently ask whether there is any winning you over for someone with something harsh to say about a Republican President?</p>
<blockquote><p>Either a man has integrity or he doesn&rsquo;t.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, this black and white dichotomy sounds so familiar . . .  I can't quite place it.  I think from some guy standing behind a podium with an eagle seal and in front of a blue curtain with an oval sign . . . dang, I can't remember.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or all of the sudden do you have second thoughts about capitalism?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t question McClellan&#039;s right to keep his profits, merely his integrity.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;your posts are usually more real-world fair and grounded than this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks, I guess.  The point of this post is about profiting from an enterprise and then cashing in on betrayal.  I don&#039;t find that honorable even if the original enterprise was a dishonorable one.

While Watergate was repugnant, I have enormous respect for Chuck Colson and grudging respect for Gordon Liddy while I hold John Dean in contempt. 

Colson refused to plead guilty to something he didn&#039;t do but fessed up to a crime the prosecutors didn&#039;t even know about, served the max sentence, and then devoted his life to ministering to prisoners.   Liddy refused to talk, period, and served by far the longest sentence.  Dean, meanwhile, ratted on his former co-conspirators to save his own ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or all of the sudden do you have second thoughts about capitalism?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't question McClellan's right to keep his profits, merely his integrity.  </p>
<blockquote><p>your posts are usually more real-world fair and grounded than this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks, I guess.  The point of this post is about profiting from an enterprise and then cashing in on betrayal.  I don't find that honorable even if the original enterprise was a dishonorable one.</p>
<p>While Watergate was repugnant, I have enormous respect for Chuck Colson and grudging respect for Gordon Liddy while I hold John Dean in contempt. </p>
<p>Colson refused to plead guilty to something he didn't do but fessed up to a crime the prosecutors didn't even know about, served the max sentence, and then devoted his life to ministering to prisoners.   Liddy refused to talk, period, and served by far the longest sentence.  Dean, meanwhile, ratted on his former co-conspirators to save his own ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new here, but James your posts are usually more real-world fair and grounded than this one.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My contention is that 1) the thrust of what McClellan says rings true &lt;/blockquote&gt;

yep

&lt;blockquote&gt;but that 2) McClellan was either lying then or now&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Duh.  I haven&#039;t read the book or been inside the Bush White House, but I have a hunch on &quot;then&quot;.  Show me a White House press secretary from the last 40 years that hasn&#039;t lied on the job.  If his book were the fiction, wouldn&#039;t the din be on questioning his facts, and not his &quot;integrity&quot;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;and 3) he&#039;s a rat cashing in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Everyone cashes in.  The people who don&#039;t talk are quiet because they think there is more money or prestige in that (ie, the next job), or because there is no dirt to tell.  Or all of the sudden do you have second thoughts about capitalism?

Obviously it would have better (for us, not him) if he spoke out before, but it seems doubtful that doing so would have stopped the war -- rank and file Americans had swallowed the kool-aid already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm new here, but James your posts are usually more real-world fair and grounded than this one.</p>
<blockquote><p>My contention is that 1) the thrust of what McClellan says rings true </p></blockquote>
<p>yep</p>
<blockquote><p>but that 2) McClellan was either lying then or now</p></blockquote>
<p>Duh.  I haven't read the book or been inside the Bush White House, but I have a hunch on "then".  Show me a White House press secretary from the last 40 years that hasn't lied on the job.  If his book were the fiction, wouldn't the din be on questioning his facts, and not his "integrity"?</p>
<blockquote><p>and 3) he's a rat cashing in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Everyone cashes in.  The people who don't talk are quiet because they think there is more money or prestige in that (ie, the next job), or because there is no dirt to tell.  Or all of the sudden do you have second thoughts about capitalism?</p>
<p>Obviously it would have better (for us, not him) if he spoke out before, but it seems doubtful that doing so would have stopped the war -- rank and file Americans had swallowed the kool-aid already.</p>
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		<title>By: HD</title>
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		<dc:creator>HD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McClellan at least had the integrity to come forth and admit what most Americans already knew about Bush &amp; his GOP.  I&#039;m not surprised at all to hear about this Bush, Cheney , Rove &amp; GOP corruption that has screwed over this nation for the last 7 years.  Also...it will come as no surprise that the White Houses only response to the book will be to take cheap shots that accuse McClellan of being disgruntled or disingenuous.  Since they have no moral compass or integrity to stand on...and since the record of Republican corruption and treachery against the USA these last 7 years speaks for itself...they really do not have a leg to stand on in their defense against the content in McClellan&#039;s book.  If Dana Perino and others loyal only to the Bush Crime Family and the Republican Party had any sense, they would simply keep their mouths shut and quit accusing McClellan of being a disgruntled person.  The more you complain about McClellan’s book, the more obvious you make your own sins against the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McClellan at least had the integrity to come forth and admit what most Americans already knew about Bush &amp; his GOP.  I'm not surprised at all to hear about this Bush, Cheney , Rove &amp; GOP corruption that has screwed over this nation for the last 7 years.  Also...it will come as no surprise that the White Houses only response to the book will be to take cheap shots that accuse McClellan of being disgruntled or disingenuous.  Since they have no moral compass or integrity to stand on...and since the record of Republican corruption and treachery against the USA these last 7 years speaks for itself...they really do not have a leg to stand on in their defense against the content in McClellan's book.  If Dana Perino and others loyal only to the Bush Crime Family and the Republican Party had any sense, they would simply keep their mouths shut and quit accusing McClellan of being a disgruntled person.  The more you complain about McClellan&rsquo;s book, the more obvious you make your own sins against the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he&#039;s a rat cashing in&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s still a Bush man. Its his nature...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he's a rat cashing in</p></blockquote>
<p>He's still a Bush man. Its his nature...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Shame, James (I expect this kind of hackery out of Bithead).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You should probably make an actual argument here.

My contention is that 1) the thrust of what McClellan says rings true but that 2) McClellan was either lying then or now and 3) he&#039;s a rat cashing in.

Your response on those points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Shame, James (I expect this kind of hackery out of Bithead).</p></blockquote>
<p>You should probably make an actual argument here.</p>
<p>My contention is that 1) the thrust of what McClellan says rings true but that 2) McClellan was either lying then or now and 3) he's a rat cashing in.</p>
<p>Your response on those points?</p>
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