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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/screw_lieberman_/comment-page-1/#comment-93708</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the democrat strategy for 2008 is clear; SHEEHAN/MOORE. yes!!! that&#039;s the ticket! hey! at least they make a HANDSOME couple! don&#039;t ya think? and they are, after all, the democrat brain trust!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the democrat strategy for 2008 is clear; SHEEHAN/MOORE. yes!!! that's the ticket! hey! at least they make a HANDSOME couple! don't ya think? and they are, after all, the democrat brain trust!</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/screw_lieberman_/comment-page-1/#comment-93666</link>
		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the exception of #1, I think all those things listed will happen.

Quite a few Lieberman supporters, mostly Republican, think he is some kind of shoo-in for the general election.  I think they are overlooking the dynamics of party politics.  Bill Clinton (and Hillary) will support the Democratic nominee, expedient or not.  They really have no choice.  All the Democrats will support Lamont from Harry Reid to the congressional and gubernatorial nominees.

Lieberman will have a lot more trouble raising money from traditional Democrats and will have to rely on special interests, mostly Republican.  As it becomes more clear that Lieberman is running mainly with Republican support, Democratic voters will peel off and support Lamont.  This becomes partly self-fulfilling because Lieberman now needs to appeal to Republican voters, too, and his anemic attempts to bash George W. Bush won&#039;t sell in that market.

None of this even takes into account that prominent Democrats are going to begin calling on Joe to withdraw, some publicly and some privately, and that he looks like a hell of a sore loser and all losers have the stench of defeat about them.  If Lamont&#039;s campaign is smart enough to be gracious, praise Lieberman and invite his voters to back the party&#039;s nominee, Joe will look increasingly bad.  They are smart enough to do that.  Joe, meanwhile, goes on Good Morning America and smears the Democrats who voted against him.  Like I said, looking increasingly bad.

Joe is doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the exception of #1, I think all those things listed will happen.</p>
<p>Quite a few Lieberman supporters, mostly Republican, think he is some kind of shoo-in for the general election.  I think they are overlooking the dynamics of party politics.  Bill Clinton (and Hillary) will support the Democratic nominee, expedient or not.  They really have no choice.  All the Democrats will support Lamont from Harry Reid to the congressional and gubernatorial nominees.</p>
<p>Lieberman will have a lot more trouble raising money from traditional Democrats and will have to rely on special interests, mostly Republican.  As it becomes more clear that Lieberman is running mainly with Republican support, Democratic voters will peel off and support Lamont.  This becomes partly self-fulfilling because Lieberman now needs to appeal to Republican voters, too, and his anemic attempts to bash George W. Bush won't sell in that market.</p>
<p>None of this even takes into account that prominent Democrats are going to begin calling on Joe to withdraw, some publicly and some privately, and that he looks like a hell of a sore loser and all losers have the stench of defeat about them.  If Lamont's campaign is smart enough to be gracious, praise Lieberman and invite his voters to back the party's nominee, Joe will look increasingly bad.  They are smart enough to do that.  Joe, meanwhile, goes on Good Morning America and smears the Democrats who voted against him.  Like I said, looking increasingly bad.</p>
<p>Joe is doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:  Maybe.  Then again, Jeffords managed to keep his committee assignments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:  Maybe.  Then again, Jeffords managed to keep his committee assignments.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
True, but there can be a large gulf between the tactics needed to _gain_ power versus those needed to _maintain_ power...

And as for committee assignments, I suppose the leadership can appoint whomever they like, but putting a guy with an (I) after his name in position over possibly-more-senior (D)s would seem like begging for a mutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
True, but there can be a large gulf between the tactics needed to _gain_ power versus those needed to _maintain_ power...</p>
<p>And as for committee assignments, I suppose the leadership can appoint whomever they like, but putting a guy with an (I) after his name in position over possibly-more-senior (D)s would seem like begging for a mutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kos&#039;s intention with stripping Lieberman of his chairman positions was to deny him the ability to campaign on being in a position to help CT, like he did in his primary.  Sure it would hurt CT, because Lamont surely won&#039;t get a chairmanship in his first year, but Kos isn&#039;t looking out for what is best for CT, is he?  He&#039;s doing what he thinks is best for his party, which he believes to be Lamont.

The point of #3 is somewhat the same, push for party unity behind the party&#039;s nominee to deny Lieberman the ability to campaign on the support of party leaders, again like he did in his primary.  The same goes for #4, deny Lieberman the use of special interest and labor endorsements.

Basically Kos is advocating cutting Lieberman&#039;s independent run off at the knees as early as possible, probably to force him to withdraw, so Lamont can focus on his GOP competitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kos's intention with stripping Lieberman of his chairman positions was to deny him the ability to campaign on being in a position to help CT, like he did in his primary.  Sure it would hurt CT, because Lamont surely won't get a chairmanship in his first year, but Kos isn't looking out for what is best for CT, is he?  He's doing what he thinks is best for his party, which he believes to be Lamont.</p>
<p>The point of #3 is somewhat the same, push for party unity behind the party's nominee to deny Lieberman the ability to campaign on the support of party leaders, again like he did in his primary.  The same goes for #4, deny Lieberman the use of special interest and labor endorsements.</p>
<p>Basically Kos is advocating cutting Lieberman's independent run off at the knees as early as possible, probably to force him to withdraw, so Lamont can focus on his GOP competitor.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:

That sort of &quot;discipline&quot; cost the GOP control of the Senate in 2001, when Jumpin&#039; Jim Jeffords took his ball and went home.  And they have learned their lesson, allowing the likes of Arlen Specter and Olympia Snowe to have important committee chairmanships.

As to the rules, I honestly don&#039;t know.  Presumably, one can call onesself a &quot;Democrat&quot; in the Senate while calling onesself an &quot;Independent&quot; (or whatever party line he chooses to run on) on a ballot.  Indeed, my understanding is that Lieberman is running as an Independent in Name Only (IINO?)already pledging to caucus with the Dems.  That could certainly change, though, if the party leadership got stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:</p>
<p>That sort of "discipline" cost the GOP control of the Senate in 2001, when Jumpin' Jim Jeffords took his ball and went home.  And they have learned their lesson, allowing the likes of Arlen Specter and Olympia Snowe to have important committee chairmanships.</p>
<p>As to the rules, I honestly don't know.  Presumably, one can call onesself a "Democrat" in the Senate while calling onesself an "Independent" (or whatever party line he chooses to run on) on a ballot.  Indeed, my understanding is that Lieberman is running as an Independent in Name Only (IINO?)already pledging to caucus with the Dems.  That could certainly change, though, if the party leadership got stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Old War Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old War Dogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Screw Lieberman?...&lt;/strong&gt;

.. As I said yesterday, this site has no official viewpoint on this. I personally, however, will use my posting privileges to campaign against Ned Lamont. I&#039;ll admit to considering Joe Lieberman the lesser of two evils, but that he definitely is. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Screw Lieberman?...</strong></p>
<p>.. As I said yesterday, this site has no official viewpoint on this. I personally, however, will use my posting privileges to campaign against Ned Lamont. I'll admit to considering Joe Lieberman the lesser of two evils, but that he definitely is. ...</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not familiar with the arcane rules of committees and caucuses (caucusi?)... But if Lieberman runs as some flavor of independant, doesn&#039;t he have to leave the Democrat party first? Doesn&#039;t that force at least something like what Kos is calling for in #1?

And this isn&#039;t about being a &#039;sore winner&#039;. This is about the _exact same_ sort of party loyalty that has kept the GOP strong in Congress for the last years... How is what Kos is calling for any different from the sort of discipline Rove, et al have forced on the GOP members?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not familiar with the arcane rules of committees and caucuses (caucusi?)... But if Lieberman runs as some flavor of independant, doesn't he have to leave the Democrat party first? Doesn't that force at least something like what Kos is calling for in #1?</p>
<p>And this isn't about being a 'sore winner'. This is about the _exact same_ sort of party loyalty that has kept the GOP strong in Congress for the last years... How is what Kos is calling for any different from the sort of discipline Rove, et al have forced on the GOP members?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kos is starting to remind me of the warden in &lt;em&gt;The Longest Yard&lt;/em&gt;.  It isn&#039;t enough for his candidate to win, his opponents have to lose and then be humiliated and destroyed to remind everyone who&#039;s in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kos is starting to remind me of the warden in <em>The Longest Yard</em>.  It isn't enough for his candidate to win, his opponents have to lose and then be humiliated and destroyed to remind everyone who's in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: walter66</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bill Clinton, at least, will do what seems most expedient at the moment.&quot;

the Clinton&#039;s will do exactly what AIPAC tells them to do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Bill Clinton, at least, will do what seems most expedient at the moment."</p>
<p>the Clinton's will do exactly what AIPAC tells them to do</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick:

That&#039;s why I follow with &quot;Most Democrats with presidential aspirations will likely follow suit.&quot;

There are politicos who don&#039;t do that.  Arguably, Lieberman is one of them.  Tom Coburn in Oklahoma is another.  But those guys are rare, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick:</p>
<p>That's why I follow with "Most Democrats with presidential aspirations will likely follow suit."</p>
<p>There are politicos who don't do that.  Arguably, Lieberman is one of them.  Tom Coburn in Oklahoma is another.  But those guys are rare, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bill Clinton, at least, will do what seems most expedient at the moment. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

You say this as if there is another US politician, of either party, on the planet who would do otherwise.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bill Clinton, at least, will do what seems most expedient at the moment. </i><i></p>
<p>You say this as if there is another US politician, of either party, on the planet who would do otherwise.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Meet Joe Lieberman&#039;s Worst Nightmare...&lt;/strong&gt;

Liberal bloggers jumped on Ned Lamont&#039;s bandwagon before he even owned one. Now the anti-war crusade...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Meet Joe Lieberman's Worst Nightmare...</strong></p>
<p>Liberal bloggers jumped on Ned Lamont's bandwagon before he even owned one. Now the anti-war crusade...</p>
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		<title>By: The Hotline's Blogometer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hotline's Blogometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;(the 14,000) account for about 5% of what will likely be the ultimate voter turnout which is also about the percentage Lamont is likely to win by.&quot;  Outside the Beltway put in a fine live-blogging effort including video of news coverage from 8/8. OTB also notes that lefties are picking up on the &quot;Sore Loserman&quot; theme and directs them to some favorite GOP merchandise: &quot;I think there are some vintage t-shirts, caps, and buttons available cheap. Why not?&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->(the 14,000) account for about 5% of what will likely be the ultimate voter turnout which is also about the percentage Lamont is likely to win by."  Outside the Beltway put in a fine live-blogging effort including video of news coverage from 8/8. OTB also notes that lefties are picking up on the "Sore Loserman" theme and directs them to some favorite GOP merchandise: "I think there are some vintage t-shirts, caps, and buttons available cheap. Why not?<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By:  » Gone Hollywood</title>
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		<dc:creator> » Gone Hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Israeli Left and Right United on War Lamont-Lieberman Exit Poll Results Wikipedia Handles Colbert Elephant Prank Bush Considers Weakening War Crimes Act Lieberman + McKinney + Schwarz Defeats = Anti-Incumbent? Screw Lieberman? “Fauxtography” At U.S. News And The New York Times?  [IMG OTB Sports]  Roger Goodell Elected NFL Commissioner Michelle Wie Fires Caddie via Agent Tiger Woods Has 50 Tour Wins at Age 30 Drew Bledsoe a Hall of Famer?&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Israeli Left and Right United on War Lamont-Lieberman Exit Poll Results Wikipedia Handles Colbert Elephant Prank Bush Considers Weakening War Crimes Act Lieberman + McKinney + Schwarz Defeats = Anti-Incumbent? Screw Lieberman? “Fauxtography” At U.S. News And The New York Times?  [IMG OTB Sports]  Roger Goodell Elected NFL Commissioner Michelle Wie Fires Caddie via Agent Tiger Woods Has 50 Tour Wins at Age 30 Drew Bledsoe a Hall of Famer?<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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