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	<title>Comments on: Senate Democrats Refuse to Fund Gitmo Closing</title>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048445</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then anything except leaving them at Gitmo (or dropping them into the middle of the ocean after they&#039;ve received a hot meal) is either dangerous and/or fantasy?  It&#039;s funny that we were told that releasing those prisoner abuse photos would inflame the Muslim world and cause our troops all kinds of harm (unlike the abuse itself, I guess) and, yet, keeping people locked up at Gitmo for an indefinite period (or just killing them as some of this blog&#039;s more illustrious commenters have suggested) must be doing wonders for us...9/11 really did adversely affect some people who were nowhere near the Pentagon or Manhattan that day...no, we really aren&#039;t in Kansas anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then anything except leaving them at Gitmo (or dropping them into the middle of the ocean after they've received a hot meal) is either dangerous and/or fantasy?  It's funny that we were told that releasing those prisoner abuse photos would inflame the Muslim world and cause our troops all kinds of harm (unlike the abuse itself, I guess) and, yet, keeping people locked up at Gitmo for an indefinite period (or just killing them as some of this blog's more illustrious commenters have suggested) must be doing wonders for us...9/11 really did adversely affect some people who were nowhere near the Pentagon or Manhattan that day...no, we really aren't in Kansas anymore...</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048443</link>
		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last Fall, a D.C. judge ordered the 17 Uighurs to be brought from Gitmo to his court room to be released.  Uighur-Americans, as well as religious and liberal groups were prepared at that time to take the detainees into their homes to begin the process of adjusting them to life in America.  I cannot confirm or deny that they would be housed in a foreclosed McMansion across the street from James Joyner.

The decision was stayed by the Court of Appeals and is pending before the Supreme Court.

NOTE:  Dozens of countries have been asked to accept the Uighurs, beginning as far back as 2003.  No civilized country wants them because they&#039;re a bunch of crazed jihadists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Fall, a D.C. judge ordered the 17 Uighurs to be brought from Gitmo to his court room to be released.  Uighur-Americans, as well as religious and liberal groups were prepared at that time to take the detainees into their homes to begin the process of adjusting them to life in America.  I cannot confirm or deny that they would be housed in a foreclosed McMansion across the street from James Joyner.</p>
<p>The decision was stayed by the Court of Appeals and is pending before the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>NOTE:  Dozens of countries have been asked to accept the Uighurs, beginning as far back as 2003.  No civilized country wants them because they're a bunch of crazed jihadists.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If they are convicted of violating U.S. law, they stay here. After serving their sentence, we deport them back to their nation of origin. What else can we do? We can&#039;t hold them indefinitely just because.&quot;


Oh, OK.  Well there you go!!!


By the way, Dorothy, grab Toto quick, &#039;cause you ain&#039;t in Kansas anymore.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"If they are convicted of violating U.S. law, they stay here. After serving their sentence, we deport them back to their nation of origin. What else can we do? We can't hold them indefinitely just because."</p>
<p>Oh, OK.  Well there you go!!!</p>
<p>By the way, Dorothy, grab Toto quick, 'cause you ain't in Kansas anymore.............</p>
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		<title>By: Open For Business &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048360</link>
		<dc:creator>Open For Business &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two posts from Alex Knapp, here and here. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Has anyone seen my shoes? I kicked them [...]</description>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048308</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The camps in Guantanamo Bay have become a stain on America’s reputation, a betrayal of her principles, and a rallying cry for her enemies.&quot;

No they haven&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The camps in Guantanamo Bay have become a stain on America&rsquo;s reputation, a betrayal of her principles, and a rallying cry for her enemies."</p>
<p>No they haven't.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048281</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it amazing what happens when the blog proprietor leaves......?  It gets boring.

But a certain topic lighted this place up about two weeks ago......let&#039;s see...close yer eyes.....and sing along, political junkies......

&quot;............When I&#039;m watchin&#039; my tv
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can&#039;t be a man &#039;cause he doesn&#039;t smoke
The same cigarrettes as me
I can&#039;t get no, oh no no no
Hey hey hey, that&#039;s what I say

I can&#039;t get no satisfaction
I can&#039;t get no girl reaction
&#039;cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can&#039;t get no, I can&#039;t get no

When I&#039;m ridin&#039; round the world
And I&#039;m doin&#039; this and I&#039;m signing that
And I&#039;m tryin&#039; to make some girl
Who tells me baby better come back later next week
&#039;cause you see I&#039;m on losing streak
I can&#039;t get no, oh no no no
Hey hey hey, that&#039;s what I say........&quot;


C&#039;mon pooh bear..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn't it amazing what happens when the blog proprietor leaves......?  It gets boring.</p>
<p>But a certain topic lighted this place up about two weeks ago......let's see...close yer eyes.....and sing along, political junkies......</p>
<p>"............When I'm watchin' my tv<br />
And that man comes on to tell me<br />
How white my shirts can be<br />
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke<br />
The same cigarrettes as me<br />
I can't get no, oh no no no<br />
Hey hey hey, that's what I say</p>
<p>I can't get no satisfaction<br />
I can't get no girl reaction<br />
'cause I try and I try and I try and I try<br />
I can't get no, I can't get no</p>
<p>When I'm ridin' round the world<br />
And I'm doin' this and I'm signing that<br />
And I'm tryin' to make some girl<br />
Who tells me baby better come back later next week<br />
'cause you see I'm on losing streak<br />
I can't get no, oh no no no<br />
Hey hey hey, that's what I say........"</p>
<p>C'mon pooh bear..........</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048262</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Were they American citizens?  Were they actually released in the streets?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Where are you going to deport them after they are convicted??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If they are convicted of violating U.S. law, they stay here.  After serving their sentence, we deport them back to their nation of origin.  What else can we do?  We can&#039;t hold them indefinitely just because.

And we can&#039;t just hold them until the resolution of this &quot;war&quot; because there are no definable scenarios to win it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Were they American citizens?  Were they actually released in the streets?</p>
<blockquote><p>Where are you going to deport them after they are convicted??</p></blockquote>
<p>If they are convicted of violating U.S. law, they stay here.  After serving their sentence, we deport them back to their nation of origin.  What else can we do?  We can't hold them indefinitely just because.</p>
<p>And we can't just hold them until the resolution of this "war" because there are no definable scenarios to win it.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PD

&lt;blockquote&gt;Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Some context:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/washington/08detain.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo Freed&lt;/a&gt;
...
The Uighurs have long been at the center of contentious legal cases because they said they were swept into detention in Afghanistan in 2001 by mistake. They said they were in Afghanistan to seek refuge from China, where the Uighurs, Turkic Muslims, often bridle at Han Chinese rule.

The Bush administration has fought the Uighurs in court for years, contending that their encampment in Afghanistan had ties to a Uighur terror group. Last summer, a federal appeals court ridiculed as inadequate the government’s secret evidence for holding one of the men. In the months since, the government has said that it would “serve no useful purpose” to continue to try to prove that any of these 17 men were enemy combatants.

Lawyers for the Uighurs said the men would be persecuted or killed if they were returned to China. The administration said that since transferring five Uighur detainees to Albania in 2006, it had been unable to persuade governments to accept the other 17. Diplomats say many governments fear reprisal by China, which considers Uighur separatist groups terrorists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PD</p>
<blockquote><p>Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some context:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/washington/08detain.html" rel="nofollow">Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo Freed</a><br />
...<br />
The Uighurs have long been at the center of contentious legal cases because they said they were swept into detention in Afghanistan in 2001 by mistake. They said they were in Afghanistan to seek refuge from China, where the Uighurs, Turkic Muslims, often bridle at Han Chinese rule.</p>
<p>The Bush administration has fought the Uighurs in court for years, contending that their encampment in Afghanistan had ties to a Uighur terror group. Last summer, a federal appeals court ridiculed as inadequate the government&rsquo;s secret evidence for holding one of the men. In the months since, the government has said that it would “serve no useful purpose” to continue to try to prove that any of these 17 men were enemy combatants.</p>
<p>Lawyers for the Uighurs said the men would be persecuted or killed if they were returned to China. The administration said that since transferring five Uighur detainees to Albania in 2006, it had been unable to persuade governments to accept the other 17. Diplomats say many governments fear reprisal by China, which considers Uighur separatist groups terrorists.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: FranklinTest</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranklinTest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Were they ever convicted of anything?  If not, one might consider that to be a significant difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October. They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Were they ever convicted of anything?  If not, one might consider that to be a significant difference.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The landslide&#039;s already on, folks, and I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll be able to stop it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Coming from the guy who correctly called the 2008 McCain landslide, this is powerful stuff.
 
Oh, wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The landslide's already on, folks, and I don't think they'll be able to stop it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Coming from the guy who correctly called the 2008 McCain landslide, this is powerful stuff.</p>
<p>Oh, wait...</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October.  They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Knapp, a D.C. judge ordered 17 detainees released last October.  They were to be walked out of the courthouse in D.C. into the community. It can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048222</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charles

&lt;blockquote&gt;a workable solution to a problem that has no good answers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that may be about right. The problem is, there are two Gitmos. The first is simply a geographic location not on the mainland of the US. It is reasonable to think that this Gitmo is an ideal place for those folks. The second is the Gitmo associated, rightly or wrongly, with torture, false imprisonment, etc. And it will do no good to loudly assert that these things are false of the first Gitmo, for in the eyes of the world, I&#039;m afraid, that is the real Gitmo. It&#039;s this one, the second one, that I think Obama is trying to close. But he can&#039;t do it without closing the first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles</p>
<blockquote><p>a workable solution to a problem that has no good answers</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that may be about right. The problem is, there are two Gitmos. The first is simply a geographic location not on the mainland of the US. It is reasonable to think that this Gitmo is an ideal place for those folks. The second is the Gitmo associated, rightly or wrongly, with torture, false imprisonment, etc. And it will do no good to loudly assert that these things are false of the first Gitmo, for in the eyes of the world, I'm afraid, that is the real Gitmo. It's this one, the second one, that I think Obama is trying to close. But he can't do it without closing the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -

We can&#039;t get anyone to take them today, before any trial or conviction.  Where are you going to deport them after they are convicted??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian -</p>
<p>We can't get anyone to take them today, before any trial or conviction.  Where are you going to deport them after they are convicted??</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/senate_democrats_refuse_to_fund_gitmo_closing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048216</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it&#039;s reasonable to believe that if these people are detained in your local prison, some day they will be walking out that gate into your community.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.  They don&#039;t have a legal right to be in the U.S. and after their sentence, if they violated U.S. law somehow, they would be deported.

If they didn&#039;t violate U.S. law, having no legal right to the U.S., they would be deported.

Before they leave the prison, they will run standard checks and see that INS or ICE has an immigration hold on them and they will remain detained, awaiting pickup from the appropriate agency.  And/or, they will be flagged by Homeland Security or the FBI.

They won&#039;t be walking out of the gate, into our community.  But I understand the anxiety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think it's reasonable to believe that if these people are detained in your local prison, some day they will be walking out that gate into your community.</p></blockquote>
<p>No.  They don't have a legal right to be in the U.S. and after their sentence, if they violated U.S. law somehow, they would be deported.</p>
<p>If they didn't violate U.S. law, having no legal right to the U.S., they would be deported.</p>
<p>Before they leave the prison, they will run standard checks and see that INS or ICE has an immigration hold on them and they will remain detained, awaiting pickup from the appropriate agency.  And/or, they will be flagged by Homeland Security or the FBI.</p>
<p>They won't be walking out of the gate, into our community.  But I understand the anxiety.</p>
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		<title>By: FranklinTest</title>
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		<dc:creator>FranklinTest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the release to the community, where exactly would they be released to if they were at Gitmo?  We wouldn&#039;t just let them roam off into the Cuban wilderness, right?  In other words, what&#039;s the difference?

As for the prisons being targets of terrorism, that&#039;s a good point.  Spreading the prisoners out across the country would be a good idea for more than one reason, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the release to the community, where exactly would they be released to if they were at Gitmo?  We wouldn't just let them roam off into the Cuban wilderness, right?  In other words, what's the difference?</p>
<p>As for the prisons being targets of terrorism, that's a good point.  Spreading the prisoners out across the country would be a good idea for more than one reason, then.</p>
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