Comments on: Shiites Magnanimous in Victory http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:17:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: DC Loser http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36549 DC Loser Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:14:17 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36549 Since day one I thought it would be a great irony to spend American lives to set up an Islamist theocracy in Iraq. The Ayatollahs next door would approve. Since day one I thought it would be a great irony to spend American lives to set up an Islamist theocracy in Iraq. The Ayatollahs next door would approve.

]]> By: John Thacker http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36535 John Thacker Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:41:55 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36535 DC Loser-- That was just in regards to the Sunnis and Afrikaners comments. Riverbend's been quite consistently negative. I hope things go well, but it does all depend on the people of Iraq. Perhaps they won't be able to form a democracy. I think it will have been worth making the attempt, though. I'm generally not in favor of supporting an autocrat in the area who will liberalize-- I thought that was the lesson of the Shah of Iran. We can do little other than trust the people of Iraq. DC Loser--

That was just in regards to the Sunnis and Afrikaners comments. Riverbend's been quite consistently negative. I hope things go well, but it does all depend on the people of Iraq. Perhaps they won't be able to form a democracy. I think it will have been worth making the attempt, though. I'm generally not in favor of supporting an autocrat in the area who will liberalize-- I thought that was the lesson of the Shah of Iran.

We can do little other than trust the people of Iraq.

]]> By: PoliBlog: Politics is the Master Science http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36534 PoliBlog: Politics is the Master Science Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:30:52 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36534 <strong>Iraqis Negotiate Over New Government</strong> Via the AP: Iraqi Leaders Work to Form New GovernmentA French-educated finance minister and a former London physician emerged Monday as the top candidates to be Iraq's next prime minister after the clergy-backed Shiite Muslim alliance failed to get t... Iraqis Negotiate Over New Government
Via the AP: Iraqi Leaders Work to Form New GovernmentA French-educated finance minister and a former London physician emerged Monday as the top candidates to be Iraq's next prime minister after the clergy-backed Shiite Muslim alliance failed to get t...

]]> By: DC Loser http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36531 DC Loser Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:35:29 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36531 "Was Grant’s election illegimate?" Well, my tongue in cheek response from the Commonwealth of Virginia is "that depends." Serioulsy, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My original remark about Riverbend's blog is that she claims creeping Islamism is already a fact of life in Baghdad, where she lives. I think her observations kind of belie some of the more optimistic prognostications of the election results concerning the limited religious agenda of the Shiite Islamist parties. "Was Grant’s election illegimate?"

Well, my tongue in cheek response from the Commonwealth of Virginia is "that depends."

Serioulsy, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My original remark about Riverbend's blog is that she claims creeping Islamism is already a fact of life in Baghdad, where she lives. I think her observations kind of belie some of the more optimistic prognostications of the election results concerning the limited religious agenda of the Shiite Islamist parties.

]]> By: John Thacker http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36521 John Thacker Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:10:06 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36521 DC Loser-- Then what about the Presidential election of 1868, that elected Grant? Virginia, Mississippi, and Texas were not allowed to vote as "unreconstructed states." I seem to recall quite a few upset Southerners around that time. Was Grant's election illegimate? DC Loser--

Then what about the Presidential election of 1868, that elected Grant? Virginia, Mississippi, and Texas were not allowed to vote as "unreconstructed states." I seem to recall quite a few upset Southerners around that time. Was Grant's election illegimate?

]]> By: Daniel W. Drezner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36483 Daniel W. Drezner Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:52:19 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36483 <strong>Iraq's election results</strong> Anthony Shadid and Doug Struck provide a summary of Iraq's election returns in the Washington Post. The highlights: A coalition dominated by Shiite Islamic parties and tacitly backed by the country's most influential religious leader, Grand Ayatollah... Iraq's election results
Anthony Shadid and Doug Struck provide a summary of Iraq's election returns in the Washington Post. The highlights: A coalition dominated by Shiite Islamic parties and tacitly backed by the country's most influential religious leader, Grand Ayatollah...

]]> By: DC Loser http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36477 DC Loser Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:41 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36477 Most Afrikaners, AFAIK, were fed up with apartheid and didn't care if it died. I don't think the Sunnis are in a similar state of mind in Iraq about being in the minority numerically and politically. Most Afrikaners, AFAIK, were fed up with apartheid and didn't care if it died. I don't think the Sunnis are in a similar state of mind in Iraq about being in the minority numerically and politically.

]]> By: QandO http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36473 QandO Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:44:53 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36473 <strong>Iraq, "if one listens", is becoming a democracy.</strong> This WaPo story seems to be producing a great deal of premature "Iran Won!" ejaculation......</trackback> Iraq, "if one listens", is becoming a democracy.

This WaPo story seems to be producing a great deal of premature "Iran Won!" ejaculation......

]]> By: capt joe http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36472 capt joe Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:44:24 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36472 riverbend, yeah, sure I have discovered that if I take the inverse of what riverbend says I get the real story. As for the Sunni's, I don't recall that there was a comparative worry about the afrikanners when South Africa was feeling it way to democracy. riverbend, yeah, sure

I have discovered that if I take the inverse of what riverbend says I get the real story.

As for the Sunni's, I don't recall that there was a comparative worry about the afrikanners when South Africa was feeling it way to democracy.

]]> By: DC Loser http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36437 DC Loser Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:19:11 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36437 "that some in the winning coalition "will press hard for implementation of Islamic law." The evidence over the last few weeks, though, seems to suggest otherwise." Thought you might want to pop on over to Riverbend's blog and see her personal account of the islamisation going on. http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ "that some in the winning coalition "will press hard for implementation of Islamic law." The evidence over the last few weeks, though, seems to suggest otherwise."

Thought you might want to pop on over to Riverbend's blog and see her personal account of the islamisation going on.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Just Me http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shiites_magnanimous_in_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-36436 Just Me Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:11:07 +0000 /?p=9249#comment-36436 I think at the very least you can argue that the Shia want democracy to work in Iraq, and understand that it will work best, if everyone is included. Also, I figure the Shia in Iraq at least are tired of the bombings etc, I wonder if they aren't thinking that inclusion of the Sunni's in government, will help put the nails in the coffins of the insurgents. Then there is the issue of ratifying any constitution-the Sunni's can make or break any constitution, when it comes to ratification time-so it is best to have them on board from the begining. I think at the very least you can argue that the Shia want democracy to work in Iraq, and understand that it will work best, if everyone is included.

Also, I figure the Shia in Iraq at least are tired of the bombings etc, I wonder if they aren't thinking that inclusion of the Sunni's in government, will help put the nails in the coffins of the insurgents.

Then there is the issue of ratifying any constitution-the Sunni's can make or break any constitution, when it comes to ratification time-so it is best to have them on board from the begining.

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