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		<title>By: zerchove</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shots_fired_as_french_riots_escalate/comment-page-1/#comment-64033</link>
		<dc:creator>zerchove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just in case :  the spark was the death of two kids who thought they were ran after by the cops. They hid in an electrical transformer, and died.

As far as I know, the best racial riot I have ever seen was LA 1992, that was greaaaaaaaat !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just in case :  the spark was the death of two kids who thought they were ran after by the cops. They hid in an electrical transformer, and died.</p>
<p>As far as I know, the best racial riot I have ever seen was LA 1992, that was greaaaaaaaat !</p>
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		<title>By: curl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shots_fired_as_french_riots_escalate/comment-page-1/#comment-63817</link>
		<dc:creator>curl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in France, I grew up in these kind of ghettos.It&#039;s not about religion, it&#039;s about the ethnicity and poverty.The people are black from africa or western indies, arabic from north Africa and some poor whites.

Don&#039;t believe the hype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in France, I grew up in these kind of ghettos.It's not about religion, it's about the ethnicity and poverty.The people are black from africa or western indies, arabic from north Africa and some poor whites.</p>
<p>Don't believe the hype...</p>
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		<title>By: xenmate</title>
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		<dc:creator>xenmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to this last comment.

I also lived in France and been to the &#039;banlieue&#039;areas where the violence is occurring.

Would you call a kid who breakdances to hip hop and smokes dope a fundamentalist muslim, or even just &#039;muslim&#039;?

That&#039;s what they did there.

These riots are as religious as the L.A. riots were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to this last comment.</p>
<p>I also lived in France and been to the 'banlieue'areas where the violence is occurring.</p>
<p>Would you call a kid who breakdances to hip hop and smokes dope a fundamentalist muslim, or even just 'muslim'?</p>
<p>That's what they did there.</p>
<p>These riots are as religious as the L.A. riots were.</p>
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		<title>By: Just passing guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just passing guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just come across this blog for the first time while googling/researching for my magazine. Just passing through really so won&#039;t hang around, but it seems the USA media doesn&#039;t cover in much detail these events.

As a Brit who in my student days spent quite some time in affected areas I know them reasonably well. I&#039;d say they are only Muslim in the same way that Britain is supposed to be Christian.

That is, they certainly have a history, identity and some values and practices of that religion, but in general aren&#039;t particularly devout. 

It should be noted that the largest French Muslim fundamentalist organisation (Union des Organisations Islamiques de France) has very strongly encouraged &#039;true&#039; Muslims not to take part in the violence. Some moderate-to-devout Muslims blame the violence on a loss of faith, observing that those taking part are doing so because they have become &#039;too secular&#039;.

Most of them live in housing put up to accommodate immigrant workers who helped with rebuilding after the second world war. The buildings are well built, characterful brick structures, but very dilapidated. In other parts of Paris well kept buildings of a similar era are rented as high-value apartments. The nearest I&#039;ve seen in the USA was in certain parts of Chicargo.

There is a lot of unemployment, but, taking informal, cash-paid jobs into account, not as much as most figures suggest.

The current uprisings aren&#039;t all *that* surprising. A lot of the North Africans don&#039;t really feel a part of the community, and feel excluded from their country&#039;s prosperity. There are a lot of parallels with LA&#039;s race riots.

As with most of Europe, people of a particular religion aren&#039;t disrespected qua that faith, but there is a trend for people who strongly put their identity in religion to be looked at as being, well, a bit odd and ungrateful for not fully participating in the modern secular state experiment. This is pretty much the same for strongly Christian people; some of the best and oldest Parisian buildings are Christian, and loved by the people there, but are very often frequented by non-Christian tourists and natives purely for the spectacle of a grand building. Some of the Christians are starting to feel &#039;pushed out&#039;.

(BTW, the trend in Britain as church attendance falls is to just let the buildings become increasingly unused)

For the last few years the French government has been leaning much more towards assimilation than would have been considered before. Banning headscarves and other religious symbols in public schools is just the best known example.

Oh, and if France sold itself to the Devil and got their food in return, they got a good deal :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just come across this blog for the first time while googling/researching for my magazine. Just passing through really so won't hang around, but it seems the USA media doesn't cover in much detail these events.</p>
<p>As a Brit who in my student days spent quite some time in affected areas I know them reasonably well. I'd say they are only Muslim in the same way that Britain is supposed to be Christian.</p>
<p>That is, they certainly have a history, identity and some values and practices of that religion, but in general aren't particularly devout. </p>
<p>It should be noted that the largest French Muslim fundamentalist organisation (Union des Organisations Islamiques de France) has very strongly encouraged 'true' Muslims not to take part in the violence. Some moderate-to-devout Muslims blame the violence on a loss of faith, observing that those taking part are doing so because they have become 'too secular'.</p>
<p>Most of them live in housing put up to accommodate immigrant workers who helped with rebuilding after the second world war. The buildings are well built, characterful brick structures, but very dilapidated. In other parts of Paris well kept buildings of a similar era are rented as high-value apartments. The nearest I've seen in the USA was in certain parts of Chicargo.</p>
<p>There is a lot of unemployment, but, taking informal, cash-paid jobs into account, not as much as most figures suggest.</p>
<p>The current uprisings aren't all *that* surprising. A lot of the North Africans don't really feel a part of the community, and feel excluded from their country's prosperity. There are a lot of parallels with LA's race riots.</p>
<p>As with most of Europe, people of a particular religion aren't disrespected qua that faith, but there is a trend for people who strongly put their identity in religion to be looked at as being, well, a bit odd and ungrateful for not fully participating in the modern secular state experiment. This is pretty much the same for strongly Christian people; some of the best and oldest Parisian buildings are Christian, and loved by the people there, but are very often frequented by non-Christian tourists and natives purely for the spectacle of a grand building. Some of the Christians are starting to feel 'pushed out'.</p>
<p>(BTW, the trend in Britain as church attendance falls is to just let the buildings become increasingly unused)</p>
<p>For the last few years the French government has been leaning much more towards assimilation than would have been considered before. Banning headscarves and other religious symbols in public schools is just the best known example.</p>
<p>Oh, and if France sold itself to the Devil and got their food in return, they got a good deal :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Yoest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Yoest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Uncertainty in France, A Prediction&lt;/strong&gt;

 Paris suburb burns (Christophe Ena - AP)Update: Earlier Your Business Blogger suggested that France was a poor venue for business. Paris is now terrible even for tourists. France will be slow to deal with the Muslim Jihadists. Markets hate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Uncertainty in France, A Prediction</strong></p>
<p> Paris suburb burns (Christophe Ena - AP)Update: Earlier Your Business Blogger suggested that France was a poor venue for business. Paris is now terrible even for tourists. France will be slow to deal with the Muslim Jihadists. Markets hate...</p>
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		<title>By: gringoman.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>gringoman.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Civil War in Europe?&lt;/strong&gt;

From most mainstream (or lamestream) media you still wouldn&#039;t know that a momentous story is developing in Europe. For the eighth consecutive day Ramadan fires are torching hundreds of vehicles and buildings and threatening to spread beyond France&#039;s ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Civil War in Europe?</strong></p>
<p>From most mainstream (or lamestream) media you still wouldn't know that a momentous story is developing in Europe. For the eighth consecutive day Ramadan fires are torching hundreds of vehicles and buildings and threatening to spread beyond France's ...</p>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Riots in Paris show that the situation in Europe..&lt;/strong&gt;

And all because jelly-spined leaders cannot bring themselves to stand up and take a hard-lined position against these Muslim monsters who&#039;re committing the crimes. Even Denmark is now having problems with Arab/Muslim immigrants rioting and causing on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Riots in Paris show that the situation in Europe..</strong></p>
<p>And all because jelly-spined leaders cannot bring themselves to stand up and take a hard-lined position against these Muslim monsters who're committing the crimes. Even Denmark is now having problems with Arab/Muslim immigrants rioting and causing on...</p>
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		<title>By: Scott in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have also been days of rioting in Denmark. The Muslim thugs there have simply declared that they are independent from Danish rule, and that&#039;s that. I suppose now they consider themselves part of the Umaa. Once territory is &quot;Muslim land&quot;, it can never be relinqushed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have also been days of rioting in Denmark. The Muslim thugs there have simply declared that they are independent from Danish rule, and that's that. I suppose now they consider themselves part of the Umaa. Once territory is "Muslim land", it can never be relinqushed.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what the hell you people are talking about because the word Muslim doesn&#039;t appear anywhere in that Reuters article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know what the hell you people are talking about because the word Muslim doesn't appear anywhere in that Reuters article.</p>
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		<title>By: Sneem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sneem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t prove it, but I have always felt the french made a pact with the devil. They agreed to look the other way when fundamentalist terrorists used France as a base for attacks in other countries. As long as France was not targeted. Now the numbers have grown and this policy has allowed radicals to build a base within the country. What else could they expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't prove it, but I have always felt the french made a pact with the devil. They agreed to look the other way when fundamentalist terrorists used France as a base for attacks in other countries. As long as France was not targeted. Now the numbers have grown and this policy has allowed radicals to build a base within the country. What else could they expect.</p>
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		<title>By: ronnied</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the muslims are so peaceful,give them a million dollars each and kiss there ass. In the end you have lost a great country the USA saved for you. i think you need more muslim immigrants.
  ronnied</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the muslims are so peaceful,give them a million dollars each and kiss there ass. In the end you have lost a great country the USA saved for you. i think you need more muslim immigrants.<br />
  ronnied</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Parisian Jihad&lt;/strong&gt;

The riots in Paris and surrounding cities continued for a seventh night last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Parisian Jihad</strong></p>
<p>The riots in Paris and surrounding cities continued for a seventh night last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Summary&lt;/strong&gt;

NEWS: - &#039;Gang of 14&#039; to Meet Thursday on Alito - Reaction to Alito Nomination Generally Favorable - Two GOP Senators Oppose Alito Filibuster - Bush Outlines $7.1B Flu-Fighting Strategy - Wisconsin Legislature Approves Parental Consent on Abortion Bil...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daily Summary</strong></p>
<p>NEWS: - 'Gang of 14' to Meet Thursday on Alito - Reaction to Alito Nomination Generally Favorable - Two GOP Senators Oppose Alito Filibuster - Bush Outlines $7.1B Flu-Fighting Strategy - Wisconsin Legislature Approves Parental Consent on Abortion Bil...</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Coalition Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Coalition Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;News &amp; Opinion&lt;/strong&gt;

NEWS: - &#039;Gang of 14&#039; to Meet Thursday on Alito - Reaction to Alito Nomination Generally Favorable - Two GOP Senators Oppose Alito Filibuster - Bush Outlines $7.1B Flu-Fighting Strategy - Wisconsin Legislature Approves Parental Consent on Abortion Bil...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>News &#38; Opinion</strong></p>
<p>NEWS: - 'Gang of 14' to Meet Thursday on Alito - Reaction to Alito Nomination Generally Favorable - Two GOP Senators Oppose Alito Filibuster - Bush Outlines $7.1B Flu-Fighting Strategy - Wisconsin Legislature Approves Parental Consent on Abortion Bil...</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn Barber's Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Shawn Barber's Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Paris Riots: Coming to an American Street Near You&lt;/strong&gt;

	Paris is reaping what it&#8217;s sown, and if we don&#8217;t heed the warnings (as if the murder of thousands and destruction of two buildings in New York City weren&#8217;t enough), we can expect the same. 
	Lax immigration policies, prostration to t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Paris Riots: Coming to an American Street Near You</strong></p>
<p>	Paris is reaping what it&#8217;s sown, and if we don&#8217;t heed the warnings (as if the murder of thousands and destruction of two buildings in New York City weren&#8217;t enough), we can expect the same.<br />
	Lax immigration policies, prostration to t...</p>
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