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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18948</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

If you can&#039;t distinguish between Western partisan politics and the incitement of terrorist activity, there&#039;s no point in trying to reason with you.   It&#039;s rather like saying Trent Lott and Adolf Hitler are just the same, since both made racially insensitive remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>If you can't distinguish between Western partisan politics and the incitement of terrorist activity, there's no point in trying to reason with you.   It's rather like saying Trent Lott and Adolf Hitler are just the same, since both made racially insensitive remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stopping them from broadcasting enemy propaganda isnât the same as trampling free speech.&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, riiiight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stopping them from broadcasting enemy propaganda isnât the same as trampling free speech.</i></p>
<p>Uh, riiiight.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18950</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve long ago decided that falsely shouting &quot;Fire!&quot; in a crowded theater isn&#039;t protected speech.  Ditto, we limit speech that could incite a riot and punish &quot;hate speech.&quot;  

No one is advocating shutting down stations that merely put forth the Islamist point of view. But al-Jazeera is a tool of enemy propaganda that directly incites violence against the US.  This ain&#039;t that hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've long ago decided that falsely shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater isn't protected speech.  Ditto, we limit speech that could incite a riot and punish "hate speech."  </p>
<p>No one is advocating shutting down stations that merely put forth the Islamist point of view. But al-Jazeera is a tool of enemy propaganda that directly incites violence against the US.  This ain't that hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18951</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: I take &quot;directly&quot; to mean that they specifically urge people to go fight American troops, in the same way, say, stations here urge people to vote or send kids to camp. Is this what you&#039;re saying? Can you give some examples? Peters is long on thesis statements and short on supporting paragraphs. Reading him, I can&#039;t conclude that al-Jazeerah does anything in particular.

Also, here&#039;s the thing about crowded theaters under law. We&#039;re talking about &lt;i&gt;American&lt;/i&gt; theaters. The US government says nothing about theaters in France or Algeria or, oh, Qatar. They don&#039;t fall within our writ.

The thing about Al-Jazeerah is, they are not an American operation. They have no special duty to the US. We have no special veto over their coverage.

Peters&#039; column and your review of Through the Enemy&#039;s Eyes strike me as classic examples of Hayekian information loss. Really, amputation rather than loss. If signs crop up that things aren&#039;t going so well, get rid of the signs. Al-Jazeerah clearly has a receptive audience. That receptivity is the problem. Getting rid of the symptom (the satellite channel) simply masks the problem while it festers. Getting bent out of shape because a book simply does what its title tells you it intends to do is the same kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: I take "directly" to mean that they specifically urge people to go fight American troops, in the same way, say, stations here urge people to vote or send kids to camp. Is this what you're saying? Can you give some examples? Peters is long on thesis statements and short on supporting paragraphs. Reading him, I can't conclude that al-Jazeerah does anything in particular.</p>
<p>Also, here's the thing about crowded theaters under law. We're talking about <i>American</i> theaters. The US government says nothing about theaters in France or Algeria or, oh, Qatar. They don't fall within our writ.</p>
<p>The thing about Al-Jazeerah is, they are not an American operation. They have no special duty to the US. We have no special veto over their coverage.</p>
<p>Peters' column and your review of Through the Enemy's Eyes strike me as classic examples of Hayekian information loss. Really, amputation rather than loss. If signs crop up that things aren't going so well, get rid of the signs. Al-Jazeerah clearly has a receptive audience. That receptivity is the problem. Getting rid of the symptom (the satellite channel) simply masks the problem while it festers. Getting bent out of shape because a book simply does what its title tells you it intends to do is the same kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18952</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: The nature of this war, as experts on both sides of the Iraq question seem to agree, is that it&#039;s about controlling information and influencing people&#039;s mindsets. We&#039;re not going to be able to win it without gaining control of the media and dismantling the infowar apparatus of the enemy--the madrassah system, al-Jazeera, and so forth in addition to taking out terrorists and their operational bases.  

I don&#039;t disagree that A-J isn&#039;t an American institution. It is, however, an organ of our enemies.  And it&#039;s not tantamount to, say, the BBC or the Guardian, which have a clear anti-American bias in their coverage, but at least present something akin to the facts. 

Despite TOEE&#039;s title, the book isn&#039;t written from the vantagepoint of our enemies but rather of an American intelligence analyst explaining their appeal.  It&#039;s one thing to say that, from the viewpoint of an illiterate peasant exposed only to limited information, Jefferson and bin Laden seem comparable.  It&#039;s quite another to actually pretend that&#039;s rational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: The nature of this war, as experts on both sides of the Iraq question seem to agree, is that it's about controlling information and influencing people's mindsets. We're not going to be able to win it without gaining control of the media and dismantling the infowar apparatus of the enemy--the madrassah system, al-Jazeera, and so forth in addition to taking out terrorists and their operational bases.  </p>
<p>I don't disagree that A-J isn't an American institution. It is, however, an organ of our enemies.  And it's not tantamount to, say, the BBC or the Guardian, which have a clear anti-American bias in their coverage, but at least present something akin to the facts. </p>
<p>Despite TOEE's title, the book isn't written from the vantagepoint of our enemies but rather of an American intelligence analyst explaining their appeal.  It's one thing to say that, from the viewpoint of an illiterate peasant exposed only to limited information, Jefferson and bin Laden seem comparable.  It's quite another to actually pretend that's rational.</p>
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		<title>By: capt joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>capt joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded of the many leftists who were quite happy with Hilter while he was allied with Stalin.  So many arguments were made for why they were abandoning their communist brethen in Germany.  Yes, it was an unjust war.  Whay couldn&#039;t the US  stay out of it.  

Off course, the moment that he betrayed Stalin (as one of them was bound to do to the other), then suddenly it was a just war and they were happy to go and fight for the motherland.  Whose, ithat is a matter of debate.

Glenn is right off course, they aren&#039;t antiwar, they are on the other side.

Jim won&#039;t get it until his head is resting peacably on the small of his back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the many leftists who were quite happy with Hilter while he was allied with Stalin.  So many arguments were made for why they were abandoning their communist brethen in Germany.  Yes, it was an unjust war.  Whay couldn't the US  stay out of it.  </p>
<p>Off course, the moment that he betrayed Stalin (as one of them was bound to do to the other), then suddenly it was a just war and they were happy to go and fight for the motherland.  Whose, ithat is a matter of debate.</p>
<p>Glenn is right off course, they aren't antiwar, they are on the other side.</p>
<p>Jim won't get it until his head is resting peacably on the small of his back.</p>
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		<title>By: My Pet Jawa</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/shut_down_al-jazeera/comment-page-1/#comment-18954</link>
		<dc:creator>My Pet Jawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mickey Mouse on Al Jazeera&lt;/strong&gt;
According to Allah there was a time when working for the Disney corporation meant more than enjoying the benefits of gay-marriage. My own thoughts on the video were posted here a couple of weeks ago.

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According to Allah there was a time when working for the Disney corporation meant more than enjoying the benefits of gay-marriage. My own thoughts on the video were posted here a couple of weeks ago.</p>
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