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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/snow_in_dc_brings_jokes_questions/comment-page-1/#comment-985976</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy,

DC is incompetent with snow although they get good snow storms most years.  In the past, the city has failed to plow residential streets for a week or more after a snow.  So after the first day, you have a nice sheet of ice.  

The suburbs do better.  And further out, people know they have to get to the main road by the own device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>DC is incompetent with snow although they get good snow storms most years.  In the past, the city has failed to plow residential streets for a week or more after a snow.  So after the first day, you have a nice sheet of ice.  </p>
<p>The suburbs do better.  And further out, people know they have to get to the main road by the own device.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how often DC gets snow, but if &quot;if the roads are clear enough to drive that early, just operate under normal hours&quot; was the policy in the midwest, nothing would ever be open on winter mornings.  Even without traffic, it&#039;s understood that some roads aren&#039;t plowed as soon as others - meaning that problems can exist throughout the day - and employers understand if you have to be late.  Residents are used to snow, and businesses have to open in weather that requires slow driving, or they would be closed for half the season - sometimes bad driving conditions last for days.  After the first day, you can be expected to know how bad it is and plan accordingly, but on the first day after/during snow it&#039;s not always easy to plan well because you don&#039;t know always which areas have been cleared and which haven&#039;t, and people getting stuck or having accidents can cause further delays.

From a midwestern point of view, it makes perfect sense.  As I said, I&#039;m not familiar with DC weather patterns.  If you can reasonably expect the snow to have been melted by 10 and the congestion to have cleared, then yes, it makes more sense to just open at 10.  If they drive anything like people in the south during snow, though, the delays caused by accidents are still a very valid problem throughout the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure how often DC gets snow, but if "if the roads are clear enough to drive that early, just operate under normal hours" was the policy in the midwest, nothing would ever be open on winter mornings.  Even without traffic, it's understood that some roads aren't plowed as soon as others - meaning that problems can exist throughout the day - and employers understand if you have to be late.  Residents are used to snow, and businesses have to open in weather that requires slow driving, or they would be closed for half the season - sometimes bad driving conditions last for days.  After the first day, you can be expected to know how bad it is and plan accordingly, but on the first day after/during snow it's not always easy to plan well because you don't know always which areas have been cleared and which haven't, and people getting stuck or having accidents can cause further delays.</p>
<p>From a midwestern point of view, it makes perfect sense.  As I said, I'm not familiar with DC weather patterns.  If you can reasonably expect the snow to have been melted by 10 and the congestion to have cleared, then yes, it makes more sense to just open at 10.  If they drive anything like people in the south during snow, though, the delays caused by accidents are still a very valid problem throughout the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“no more than two hours later”

I know it sounds odd but seem practically reasonable. The key is “no more”. With the added frustration from the added congestion and measurable weather, why not decrease tension by giving people extra time in case they run into trouble?  Work productivity will suffer but it usually does in bad weather anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“no more than two hours later”</p>
<p>I know it sounds odd but seem practically reasonable. The key is “no more”. With the added frustration from the added congestion and measurable weather, why not decrease tension by giving people extra time in case they run into trouble?  Work productivity will suffer but it usually does in bad weather anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your forgetting the much imposed public transportation commuting pushed in DC.  The delay is really to cover delays in the trains and busses not just the flexible car commuter.  If you simply switched everyone to 10 am, no way the holy grail public transportation could cope.  

Bad enough that after taking the train in with the outgoing not starting for hours, they shutdown the building and force everybody out a hour or so later.  Fortunately, the commuter train systems have come to expect this foolishness and start a train out early but it is usually stuffed.

All in all the federal statement is backside covering.  Fewer complaints about not considering the commuters from WV and outlying suburbs and fewer complaints about closing down for no reason.  

It is fortunate that the new admin didn&#039;t screw up the decision.  It usually takes a couple of storms for new GAO appointees to realize they got to get up at 4 am to make weather calls.  Responsibility is a bitch.  But the new admin might explain why the announcement was a catch-all and future ones will be more focused due to experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your forgetting the much imposed public transportation commuting pushed in DC.  The delay is really to cover delays in the trains and busses not just the flexible car commuter.  If you simply switched everyone to 10 am, no way the holy grail public transportation could cope.  </p>
<p>Bad enough that after taking the train in with the outgoing not starting for hours, they shutdown the building and force everybody out a hour or so later.  Fortunately, the commuter train systems have come to expect this foolishness and start a train out early but it is usually stuffed.</p>
<p>All in all the federal statement is backside covering.  Fewer complaints about not considering the commuters from WV and outlying suburbs and fewer complaints about closing down for no reason.  </p>
<p>It is fortunate that the new admin didn't screw up the decision.  It usually takes a couple of storms for new GAO appointees to realize they got to get up at 4 am to make weather calls.  Responsibility is a bitch.  But the new admin might explain why the announcement was a catch-all and future ones will be more focused due to experience.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Congestion is an even bigger problem when driving conditions are bad. So the last thing you&#039;d want to do is cancel flex time and have everybody due at 10.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But if the roads are clear enough to drive that early, just operate under normal hours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congestion is an even bigger problem when driving conditions are bad. So the last thing you'd want to do is cancel flex time and have everybody due at 10.</p></blockquote>
<p>But if the roads are clear enough to drive that early, just operate under normal hours!</p>
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		<title>By: mattt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congestion is an even bigger problem when driving conditions are bad.  So the last thing you&#039;d want to do is cancel flex time and have everybody due at 10.

If you&#039;re usually due at 6 and can&#039;t make it by 8, think about taking the whole day off.  If you came in at 10 you&#039;d only be working a 4 hour day anyway.  Go shovel some old ladies&#039; sidewalks instead.

Perfect sense, really.  But I guess it&#039;s more fun to bash the bureaucracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congestion is an even bigger problem when driving conditions are bad.  So the last thing you'd want to do is cancel flex time and have everybody due at 10.</p>
<p>If you're usually due at 6 and can't make it by 8, think about taking the whole day off.  If you came in at 10 you'd only be working a 4 hour day anyway.  Go shovel some old ladies' sidewalks instead.</p>
<p>Perfect sense, really.  But I guess it's more fun to bash the bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in New England, and, was a good doobie, on a few occassions I spent 3+ hours getting to work, only to be told that we were closing the offices at 1 so that &quot;we could get home in a reasonable time.&quot; Time spent at work: 1 hour; time spent to and from: 6 hours. I did that about twice, I think, before the next time, when I said screw that, and called in saying forget it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in New England, and, was a good doobie, on a few occassions I spent 3+ hours getting to work, only to be told that we were closing the offices at 1 so that "we could get home in a reasonable time." Time spent at work: 1 hour; time spent to and from: 6 hours. I did that about twice, I think, before the next time, when I said screw that, and called in saying forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?  This is Casimir Pulaski Day, is the federal government racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  This is Casimir Pulaski Day, is the federal government racist?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/snow_in_dc_brings_jokes_questions/comment-page-1/#comment-985908</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there is that, of course.  Still . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there is that, of course.  Still . . .</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None, of course. This is the government you&#039;re talking about. Nothing about our government makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None, of course. This is the government you're talking about. Nothing about our government makes sense.</p>
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