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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a false economy. State disability boards etc. think that by denying benefits to all but the most obviously disabled they will save money. Thus they end up spending more in the long run. Having gone through it myself, I can tell you that auditioning for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) in California  is a bitch.

I didn&#039;t get SSI until I was hospitalized for clinical depression. That&#039;s just one way the State of California wasted funds. When it comes to certain conditions the bar is set too high.

There is also the fact the amount of money a person can earn outside of his SSI payment actually went down from $75.00 to $65.00 a month, while the savings one can have hasn&#039;t been adjusted for inflation. Ever. The way I figure it, an amount that may have carried an SSI recipient through a year of non-payments now barely suffices for three or four months, and only if you scrimp and do without.

The fraud that is the Consumer Price Index is another matter.

Farber and I know clinical depression, it&#039;s not something you just &quot;get over&quot;. Gary also knows about conditions I should hope I never come down with. Had we any choice in the matter, we wouldn&#039;t have our common disability. But we have it, treatments are not always reliable or effective, and without the monthly stipend I&#039;d be out on the street being an even bigger burden on society than I know am.

I&#039;m doing okay. I could use a little extra money for things like a new iMac, but I&#039;m getting by with what I have now. Gary&#039;s the one who needs the real help. Five dollars from one person helps, Five dollars from one hundred people helps a lot. (And you help support PayPal too. :) ) So contribute what you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a false economy. State disability boards etc. think that by denying benefits to all but the most obviously disabled they will save money. Thus they end up spending more in the long run. Having gone through it myself, I can tell you that auditioning for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) in California  is a bitch.</p>
<p>I didn't get SSI until I was hospitalized for clinical depression. That's just one way the State of California wasted funds. When it comes to certain conditions the bar is set too high.</p>
<p>There is also the fact the amount of money a person can earn outside of his SSI payment actually went down from $75.00 to $65.00 a month, while the savings one can have hasn't been adjusted for inflation. Ever. The way I figure it, an amount that may have carried an SSI recipient through a year of non-payments now barely suffices for three or four months, and only if you scrimp and do without.</p>
<p>The fraud that is the Consumer Price Index is another matter.</p>
<p>Farber and I know clinical depression, it's not something you just "get over". Gary also knows about conditions I should hope I never come down with. Had we any choice in the matter, we wouldn't have our common disability. But we have it, treatments are not always reliable or effective, and without the monthly stipend I'd be out on the street being an even bigger burden on society than I know am.</p>
<p>I'm doing okay. I could use a little extra money for things like a new iMac, but I'm getting by with what I have now. Gary's the one who needs the real help. Five dollars from one person helps, Five dollars from one hundred people helps a lot. (And you help support PayPal too. :) ) So contribute what you can.</p>
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		<title>By: ROBERT JAMES VINOKUROW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROBERT JAMES VINOKUROW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much are the lawyers handling the appeals process making?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much are the lawyers handling the appeals process making?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I for one don&#039;t believe it&#039;s the gummint&#039;s job to take care of people, whether that need is established through actual need or just laziness.&lt;/em&gt;

So it&#039;s no one&#039;s job, I guess, and the disabled should just die and get out of the way.

There are countries exactly like that, Boyd - you can pack up &amp; move there any time.  America chose a different path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I for one don't believe it's the gummint's job to take care of people, whether that need is established through actual need or just laziness.</em></p>
<p>So it's no one's job, I guess, and the disabled should just die and get out of the way.</p>
<p>There are countries exactly like that, Boyd - you can pack up &amp; move there any time.  America chose a different path.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m an anarcho-capitalist or a minarchist (since I&#039;m too damn lazy to go look them up and haven&#039;t had enough coffee yet on a Monday morning to figure them out on my own), but I for one don&#039;t believe it&#039;s the gummint&#039;s job to take care of people, whether that need is established through actual need or just laziness. The only people they should take care of are employees, just like any other business. IMHO, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know if I'm an anarcho-capitalist or a minarchist (since I'm too damn lazy to go look them up and haven't had enough coffee yet on a Monday morning to figure them out on my own), but I for one don't believe it's the gummint's job to take care of people, whether that need is established through actual need or just laziness. The only people they should take care of are employees, just like any other business. IMHO, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the best of my knowledge there is no pending legislation to generally reduce the length of time to process Social Security disability applications.  There is a pending bill to allow a waiver of the wait time under specific circumstances.

If you&#039;re genuinely concerned about this issue, I suggest writing your Congressman.  The lack of pending legislation suggests that this isn&#039;t a pressing issue for either party at this point.  I hope we&#039;re not so simplistic as to think that, of course, a Democratically-controlled Congress will take care of stuff like this. It just doesn&#039;t work that way.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Even the most libertarian among us think government has a role in helping those who truly can&#039;t help themselves. If you won&#039;t work, it&#039;s one thing; if you can&#039;t work, it&#039;s quite another.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Unfortunately, I don&#039;t believe that, James.  There are obviously a lot of anarcho-capitalists and minarchists who don&#039;t agree with that.  

I&#039;d like to see some sort of breakdown of how many  &#147;small government conservatives&#148; believe in some sort of safety net and how many don&#039;t.  I suppose that kind of information would be impossible to come by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the best of my knowledge there is no pending legislation to generally reduce the length of time to process Social Security disability applications.  There is a pending bill to allow a waiver of the wait time under specific circumstances.</p>
<p>If you're genuinely concerned about this issue, I suggest writing your Congressman.  The lack of pending legislation suggests that this isn't a pressing issue for either party at this point.  I hope we're not so simplistic as to think that, of course, a Democratically-controlled Congress will take care of stuff like this. It just doesn't work that way.</p>
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Even the most libertarian among us think government has a role in helping those who truly can't help themselves. If you won't work, it's one thing; if you can't work, it's quite another.
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<p>Unfortunately, I don't believe that, James.  There are obviously a lot of anarcho-capitalists and minarchists who don't agree with that.  </p>
<p>I'd like to see some sort of breakdown of how many  &#8220;small government conservatives&#8221; believe in some sort of safety net and how many don't.  I suppose that kind of information would be impossible to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When your colleagues said they wanted to starve the government you didn&#039;t think they meant they would begin with the bits that serve big business, did you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most small government conservatives want to end most &quot;corporate welfare,&quot; including subsidies for big agriculture.  I think government has a role in promoting international commerce, funding certain types of R&amp;D that aren&#039;t commercially feasible, and the like, though.

Even the most libertarian among us think government has a role in helping those who truly can&#039;t help themselves. If you &lt;em&gt;won&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; work, it&#039;s one thing; if you &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; work, it&#039;s quite another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When your colleagues said they wanted to starve the government you didn't think they meant they would begin with the bits that serve big business, did you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Most small government conservatives want to end most "corporate welfare," including subsidies for big agriculture.  I think government has a role in promoting international commerce, funding certain types of R&#038;D that aren't commercially feasible, and the like, though.</p>
<p>Even the most libertarian among us think government has a role in helping those who truly can't help themselves. If you <em>won't</em> work, it's one thing; if you <em>can't</em> work, it's quite another.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliGazette &#187; Social Security Disaster Destroys Lives (Needlessly)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliGazette &#187; Social Security Disaster Destroys Lives (Needlessly)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at OTB where James Joyner writes: &#8220;One would think, though, that the purpose of the system is to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

When your colleagues said they wanted to starve the government you didn&#039;t think they meant they would begin with the bits that serve big business, did you? For many in the GOP, so many &quot;nanny-staters&quot; having to wait years or having their claims denied is a feature, not a bug.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>When your colleagues said they wanted to starve the government you didn't think they meant they would begin with the bits that serve big business, did you? For many in the GOP, so many "nanny-staters" having to wait years or having their claims denied is a feature, not a bug.</p>
<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(&quot;Almost always&quot; unless you&#039;re missing a limb or something else egregious, I should say -- which probably brings the # close to the 2/3 in the article.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>("Almost always" unless you're missing a limb or something else egregious, I should say -- which probably brings the # close to the 2/3 in the article.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s common knowledge that your first application is almost always denied.  I&#039;ve spoken with someone in the Mississippi agency handling these applications, and he confirms it.

(The feds in some or all states, I dunno which, farm out this function to state agencies that are 100% federally funded.  That may well be part of the problem right there -- I suspect there&#039;d be a better workforce handling these applications if the agency were actually federal.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's common knowledge that your first application is almost always denied.  I've spoken with someone in the Mississippi agency handling these applications, and he confirms it.</p>
<p>(The feds in some or all states, I dunno which, farm out this function to state agencies that are 100% federally funded.  That may well be part of the problem right there -- I suspect there'd be a better workforce handling these applications if the agency were actually federal.)</p>
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