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		<title>By: klbmarsh</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_for_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-84707</link>
		<dc:creator>klbmarsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the illegal alien is committing a felony if he signed a W2 swearing that it is in fact his/her tax ID/SSN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the illegal alien is committing a felony if he signed a W2 swearing that it is in fact his/her tax ID/SSN.</p>
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		<title>By: Recommended reading: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? &#124; Random Fate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recommended reading: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? &#124; Random Fate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Security for Illegal Aliens? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 05:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No YetAnotherJohn, you are a statist for feeling that Americans are entitled to jobs, that the government is the one to protect those jobs for Americans and so forth.  Tell me, how do you feel about set-asides for various groups?  Do you support of oppose them?  If you oppose them, how can you support what amounts to set-asides for the group known as American workers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No YetAnotherJohn, you are a statist for feeling that Americans are entitled to jobs, that the government is the one to protect those jobs for Americans and so forth.  Tell me, how do you feel about set-asides for various groups?  Do you support of oppose them?  If you oppose them, how can you support what amounts to set-asides for the group known as American workers?</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus Wojcik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaddeus Wojcik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 02:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have posted on eBay for sale (except where and to the extent it would be unlawful) the right to receive my future social security benefits at a net present value. Spread the word! You can search under â??social securityâ?? on eBay to find the link.

Perhaps peopleâ??s future benefits could be salable, pooled and then traded as asset-backed securities. No fix of any type seems on the horizon, however, so before the Ponzi scheme implodes, maybe an institution would be willing to buy on an individual basis (even if only for pubicity, either for itself or for the 800 lb gorilla nobody is discussing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have posted on eBay for sale (except where and to the extent it would be unlawful) the right to receive my future social security benefits at a net present value. Spread the word! You can search under â??social securityâ?? on eBay to find the link.</p>
<p>Perhaps peopleâ??s future benefits could be salable, pooled and then traded as asset-backed securities. No fix of any type seems on the horizon, however, so before the Ponzi scheme implodes, maybe an institution would be willing to buy on an individual basis (even if only for pubicity, either for itself or for the 800 lb gorilla nobody is discussing).</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_for_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-83354</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 01:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ensign and DeMint are being dishonest in saying that illegal aliens are criminals, let alone felons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was letting that go until the part about stolen Social Security numbers. Isn&#039;t identity theft a felony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ensign and DeMint are being dishonest in saying that illegal aliens are criminals, let alone felons.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was letting that go until the part about stolen Social Security numbers. Isn't identity theft a felony?</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I will acknowledge that having a law and expecting that the law is enforced can be considered &quot;statist&quot;, but surely such a designation would sweep up all those to the right of anarchists.

Let me try one more time. It is illegal to employ an illegal immigrant. Any SSA tax paid is paid as part of an illegal transaction. So to say retroactively that the illegal transactions are now okay seems a bit odd to me. Let alone the nightmare of trying to sort out SSA taxes associated with false or stolen SS numbers.

So this is a bit like saying it would be unconscionable for people who hijacked an airplane to not get the frequent flier miles. That is supposed to be a benefit reserved for those who play by the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I will acknowledge that having a law and expecting that the law is enforced can be considered "statist", but surely such a designation would sweep up all those to the right of anarchists.</p>
<p>Let me try one more time. It is illegal to employ an illegal immigrant. Any SSA tax paid is paid as part of an illegal transaction. So to say retroactively that the illegal transactions are now okay seems a bit odd to me. Let alone the nightmare of trying to sort out SSA taxes associated with false or stolen SS numbers.</p>
<p>So this is a bit like saying it would be unconscionable for people who hijacked an airplane to not get the frequent flier miles. That is supposed to be a benefit reserved for those who play by the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well James...there go whatever Conservative &quot;credentials&quot; you had.  You are clearly not Statist and Authoritarian enough for most Conservatives...well at least if you listen to some on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well James...there go whatever Conservative "credentials" you had.  You are clearly not Statist and Authoritarian enough for most Conservatives...well at least if you listen to some on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: JimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know what the penalty is for using a false social security number?  What happens if I (a natural born citizen) decided there was too much baggage attached to my current SSN and wanted to start using a new one?  Is that a felony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know what the penalty is for using a false social security number?  What happens if I (a natural born citizen) decided there was too much baggage attached to my current SSN and wanted to start using a new one?  Is that a felony?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 17:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveD, it may be nebulous, but its 100% more than what we&#039;ve had, which is barely nothing.  Plus, AOL&#039;s (admittedly unscientific) poll had people supporting the English language and fence components 3 out of 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveD, it may be nebulous, but its 100% more than what we've had, which is barely nothing.  Plus, AOL's (admittedly unscientific) poll had people supporting the English language and fence components 3 out of 4.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a personal hope that the House of Representatives will continue to be significantly less inclined to provide the President this fawning acquiescence to a nebulous immigration policy program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a personal hope that the House of Representatives will continue to be significantly less inclined to provide the President this fawning acquiescence to a nebulous immigration policy program.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 17:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it is not legal for them to be working, then anything they paid into the SSA based on wages would be the fruits of illegal activity. Why is that so hard to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it is not legal for them to be working, then anything they paid into the SSA based on wages would be the fruits of illegal activity. Why is that so hard to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m with Zelsdorf: how in the world do illegals get SS #&#039;s?  How?  How how how??  I have to show a SS card when I get a new job as part of IDing myself.  Are we giving these illegals legal SS #&#039;s that make them appear legit to potential employers?  The new trend is to blame the employers for hiring illegals, yet maybe the employers are getting duped by our own govt. into hiring them!  Wat about illegals kids in schools?  When the school (or DMV, or welfare office, or, or, or) finds out the parents are here illegally, why don&#039;t they just call immigration to deport them???

This issue is so strange.  The illegal immigrant has to be just as astonished as the average US citizen.  Bleeding heart liberals-it&#039;s all their fault.  I AM SERIOUS!  And there aren&#039;t any conservatives with balls to do anything about it (except Ensign, and Bush seems to be growing a pair).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I'm with Zelsdorf: how in the world do illegals get SS #'s?  How?  How how how??  I have to show a SS card when I get a new job as part of IDing myself.  Are we giving these illegals legal SS #'s that make them appear legit to potential employers?  The new trend is to blame the employers for hiring illegals, yet maybe the employers are getting duped by our own govt. into hiring them!  Wat about illegals kids in schools?  When the school (or DMV, or welfare office, or, or, or) finds out the parents are here illegally, why don't they just call immigration to deport them???</p>
<p>This issue is so strange.  The illegal immigrant has to be just as astonished as the average US citizen.  Bleeding heart liberals-it's all their fault.  I AM SERIOUS!  And there aren't any conservatives with balls to do anything about it (except Ensign, and Bush seems to be growing a pair).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, James, I&#039;ll give the argument to you.  

But why doesn&#039;t the SS administration fund an immigration team in LA and San Diego to search for these SS illegals, and deport them?  It would cost a lot less than the benefits, and so SS gains a lot of money, we get rid of illegals, but no one &quot;denied&quot; them benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, James, I'll give the argument to you.  </p>
<p>But why doesn't the SS administration fund an immigration team in LA and San Diego to search for these SS illegals, and deport them?  It would cost a lot less than the benefits, and so SS gains a lot of money, we get rid of illegals, but no one "denied" them benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZR:  Not sure what any of that has to do with paying  Social Security benefits to those who have paid into the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZR:  Not sure what any of that has to do with paying  Social Security benefits to those who have paid into the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do I start?  How do illegal aliens get social security numbers?  If someone breaks into your house, do you reward them?  Do those who populate the Senate have any idea what the vast majority of Americans think about people who sneak into this country illegally, then demand rights?  They send vast amounts of money earned in this country to Mexico.  That does not aid our economy, increase our job market, and by the way my gardener makes $20 an hour.  That is not bad considering the skill necessary to run a lawn mower.  The statement that illegals are doing jobs the rest of us will not do is a convenient lie.  What we will not do is work for the same rate of pay as someone who has no legal status.  That hurts the job market and all wage earners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do I start?  How do illegal aliens get social security numbers?  If someone breaks into your house, do you reward them?  Do those who populate the Senate have any idea what the vast majority of Americans think about people who sneak into this country illegally, then demand rights?  They send vast amounts of money earned in this country to Mexico.  That does not aid our economy, increase our job market, and by the way my gardener makes $20 an hour.  That is not bad considering the skill necessary to run a lawn mower.  The statement that illegals are doing jobs the rest of us will not do is a convenient lie.  What we will not do is work for the same rate of pay as someone who has no legal status.  That hurts the job market and all wage earners.</p>
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