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	<title>Comments on: Social Security Privatization and Bad Times</title>
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		<title>By: Ironman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_privatization_and_bad_times/comment-page-1/#comment-303524</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emphasizing James&#039; point: &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2007/07/worst-returns-of-s-500-vs-safest.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Worst Returns of the S&amp;P 500 vs the Safest Investments on Earth&lt;/a&gt;

For the record, the absolute worst case U.S. stock market modeled in the link above is actually worse than what any real-life investor has seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emphasizing James' point: <a href="http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2007/07/worst-returns-of-s-500-vs-safest.html" rel="nofollow">The Worst Returns of the S&amp;P 500 vs the Safest Investments on Earth</a></p>
<p>For the record, the absolute worst case U.S. stock market modeled in the link above is actually worse than what any real-life investor has seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_privatization_and_bad_times/comment-page-1/#comment-303484</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; The market has never melted down to the extent that you’re left with nothing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Literally nothing?  No.  But if you&#039;d had some portion of your SS benefits tied up in say Bear Sterns, you&#039;d be an awfully unhappy camper today.  You wouldn&#039;t have lost literally  everything in that investment, but damn close.

There&#039;s a reason suicides went up so much during the depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> The market has never melted down to the extent that you&rsquo;re left with nothing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Literally nothing?  No.  But if you'd had some portion of your SS benefits tied up in say Bear Sterns, you'd be an awfully unhappy camper today.  You wouldn't have lost literally  everything in that investment, but damn close.</p>
<p>There's a reason suicides went up so much during the depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_privatization_and_bad_times/comment-page-1/#comment-303374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  How comfortable would you be with the federal government owning an ever-increasing share of American businesses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  How comfortable would you be with the federal government owning an ever-increasing share of American businesses?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You left out “During periods when the market completely melts down one loses *everything*.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because it&#039;s not true.  The market has never melted down to the extent that you&#039;re left with nothing. And we&#039;re talking retirement annuities, not a one-time withdrawal where you&#039;d be playing the lottery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You left out “During periods when the market completely melts down one loses *everything*.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Because it's not true.  The market has never melted down to the extent that you're left with nothing. And we're talking retirement annuities, not a one-time withdrawal where you'd be playing the lottery.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/social_security_privatization_and_bad_times/comment-page-1/#comment-303337</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Moreover, retirement savings is a long-term, large scale enterprise that reaps the benefits of compound interest and dollar cost averaging. During periods when the market is in decline, as it is now, one’s investment buys more shares of stock. During periods when the market is growing, as it has for most of the past thirty years, one earns dividends which are reinvested.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You left out &quot;During periods when the market completely melts down one loses *everything*.&quot;  Which is kind of the point to not tying the market to our social safety nets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Moreover, retirement savings is a long-term, large scale enterprise that reaps the benefits of compound interest and dollar cost averaging. During periods when the market is in decline, as it is now, one&rsquo;s investment buys more shares of stock. During periods when the market is growing, as it has for most of the past thirty years, one earns dividends which are reinvested.</p></blockquote>
<p>You left out "During periods when the market completely melts down one loses *everything*."  Which is kind of the point to not tying the market to our social safety nets.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;long periods where stock performance underwhelmed compared to fixed income&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure that&#039;s the case. But that doesn&#039;t mean that the government wouldn&#039;t have been better off investing in stocks rather than just spending the money and relying on tax revenues to pay out said fixed income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>long periods where stock performance underwhelmed compared to fixed income</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm sure that's the case. But that doesn't mean that the government wouldn't have been better off investing in stocks rather than just spending the money and relying on tax revenues to pay out said fixed income.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been plenty of long periods where stock performance underwhelmed compared to fixed income. Think 1929-1955.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's been plenty of long periods where stock performance underwhelmed compared to fixed income. Think 1929-1955.</p>
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