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	<title>Comments on: Soldier Funeral Protesters Lose Big</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is even sadder for Phelps is if he even bothered to read the Bible he would find that Jesus was very tolerant of those who sinned (corrupt tax collectors, prostitutes, adulterers, thieves, etc) but very intolerant of hypocrites.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, Jesus was intolerant of all &lt;strong&gt;sin&lt;/strong&gt; and tolerant of all &lt;strong&gt; repentant sinners&lt;/strong&gt;. He had Pharisee friends and followers. He was intolerant of cheating, lying, stealing, hypocrisy and oppression of the poor. He was tolerant of people but told all of them to stop sinning. (Luke 5:31,32; John 8:11) Jesus knew that without repentance we will eventually all turn into that which we do. 

If Mr. Phelps does not repent he will be judged for his use of scripture to promote his own prejudices just as the Pharisees will be for using scripture to promote themselves to the detriment of others. Jesus hates both sins but loves both sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is even sadder for Phelps is if he even bothered to read the Bible he would find that Jesus was very tolerant of those who sinned (corrupt tax collectors, prostitutes, adulterers, thieves, etc) but very intolerant of hypocrites.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm sorry, Jesus was intolerant of all <strong>sin</strong> and tolerant of all <strong> repentant sinners</strong>. He had Pharisee friends and followers. He was intolerant of cheating, lying, stealing, hypocrisy and oppression of the poor. He was tolerant of people but told all of them to stop sinning. (Luke 5:31,32; John 8:11) Jesus knew that without repentance we will eventually all turn into that which we do. </p>
<p>If Mr. Phelps does not repent he will be judged for his use of scripture to promote his own prejudices just as the Pharisees will be for using scripture to promote themselves to the detriment of others. Jesus hates both sins but loves both sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; The Issue at Hand in the Phelps Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog &#8482;: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; The Issue at Hand in the Phelps Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can see seeing parameters as to how close to a funeral one can protest (as suggested here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Phelps is often portrayed as a rural yokel, he was a lawyer specializing in Civil Rights Law in the 60-70s. He became a minister after disbarment (for perjury). He was also active in the Kansas State Democratic Party. He knows how the law and government work, and knows how to use that to his favor. This is not the last we have heard of this loathsome group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Phelps is often portrayed as a rural yokel, he was a lawyer specializing in Civil Rights Law in the 60-70s. He became a minister after disbarment (for perjury). He was also active in the Kansas State Democratic Party. He knows how the law and government work, and knows how to use that to his favor. This is not the last we have heard of this loathsome group.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About a year ago I went to a funeral in a realtively small western town (about 50K people). As the funeral procession went from the church to the grave yard, people would pull their car over, stop and take off their hat, etc. The funeral was for a local rancher, but by no means a local celebrity or big shot. In short, they showed an act of respect for someone that they likely did not know or at least know well. Not everyone showed respect like this (I would estimate about 25%), but there were enough that I noticed and commented on it.

Assuming the facts are right (public space) and absent other facts that are recognized to limit free speech (time, manner, place or inciting to riot), this is likely to be over turned. What is really sad about this is if the people at the funeral had turned en masse, charged the protestors and started a riot, then the charges might have been upheld as the &#039;free speech&#039; could have been seen as an incitement to riot and thus not protected. We could have had a new example of &quot;yelling fire in a crowded theater&quot;, &quot;yelling God wanted your son to die because the military tolerates gays at a funeral&quot;. 

What is even sadder for Phelps is if he even bothered to read the Bible he would find that Jesus was very tolerant of those who sinned (corrupt tax collectors, prostitutes, adulterers, thieves, etc) but very intolerant of hypocrites. Protesting at the funeral is not a way to show love to the sinner while you hate the sin or to win people over to Christ by showing them that you have been set apart by your actions. Phelps has been set apart by his actions, but not in a good way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a year ago I went to a funeral in a realtively small western town (about 50K people). As the funeral procession went from the church to the grave yard, people would pull their car over, stop and take off their hat, etc. The funeral was for a local rancher, but by no means a local celebrity or big shot. In short, they showed an act of respect for someone that they likely did not know or at least know well. Not everyone showed respect like this (I would estimate about 25%), but there were enough that I noticed and commented on it.</p>
<p>Assuming the facts are right (public space) and absent other facts that are recognized to limit free speech (time, manner, place or inciting to riot), this is likely to be over turned. What is really sad about this is if the people at the funeral had turned en masse, charged the protestors and started a riot, then the charges might have been upheld as the 'free speech' could have been seen as an incitement to riot and thus not protected. We could have had a new example of "yelling fire in a crowded theater", "yelling God wanted your son to die because the military tolerates gays at a funeral". </p>
<p>What is even sadder for Phelps is if he even bothered to read the Bible he would find that Jesus was very tolerant of those who sinned (corrupt tax collectors, prostitutes, adulterers, thieves, etc) but very intolerant of hypocrites. Protesting at the funeral is not a way to show love to the sinner while you hate the sin or to win people over to Christ by showing them that you have been set apart by your actions. Phelps has been set apart by his actions, but not in a good way.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I certainly sympathize with the mourners, I suspect this verdict is going to be overturned. &#039;Reasonableness&#039; is a foggy standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I certainly sympathize with the mourners, I suspect this verdict is going to be overturned. 'Reasonableness' is a foggy standard.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...good!.</description>
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		<title>By: Moonage Political Webdream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Help sue the Westboro Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonage Political Webdream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Help sue the Westboro Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1, 2007 UPDATE: Snyder won his case!  However, some are feeling that free speech advocacy might win out in the long run.  However, this ain&#8217;t your typical free speech.  This is verbal assaults intentionally [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1, 2007 UPDATE: Snyder won his case!  However, some are feeling that free speech advocacy might win out in the long run.  However, this ain&#8217;t your typical free speech.  This is verbal assaults intentionally [...]</p>
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