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		<title>By: Mooster</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/soldiers_returning_home_from_war_to_lower_pay/comment-page-1/#comment-62937</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  If getting angry about the way the current administration and Congress has shafted veterans and military personnel over and over is trolling, I guess I&#039;d better find a bridge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  If getting angry about the way the current administration and Congress has shafted veterans and military personnel over and over is trolling, I guess I'd better find a bridge...</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards.&quot;
(Speech, Springfield, Illinois, July 4, 1903)
Theodore  Roosevelt

Pretty much settles it for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards."<br />
(Speech, Springfield, Illinois, July 4, 1903)<br />
Theodore  Roosevelt</p>
<p>Pretty much settles it for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sum Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sum Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lazerlou seems to be trolling here.
Please, don&#039;t feed the trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lazerlou seems to be trolling here.<br />
Please, don't feed the trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: rob s</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see more statistical studies on this matter. There are many cases where veterans come back to better jobs.

In my last job (before I started my own business) I managed a staff of 30.  We had two employee reservists that were deployed for Iraq War #1 and they were gone for 1 year and 1.5 years respectively.  When they returned they were actually eligible for promotion and higher salaries because of the management experience that they gained while on duty. Because our company was small non-profit working with ex-convicts, having these employees gone was a major hardship for us.  We lost our key talent and had to reorganize to work properly in their absence.  We still managed to fit them back in with better positions than before they left.  Many employers want to do the right thing for our troops.

I think that the military and veterans affairs folks owe it to our troops to make sure that they have decent jobs when they come home.  Documentation should be filed that clearly states the job duties and salaries of reservists and enlisted personnel.  If we can pay 50 million for a bridge to nowhere in Alaska, and pay billions for a war with dodgy motivations, then we can pay to enforce the law, and provide assistance in those cases where legitimate economic hardship, bankruptcy, or operational problems on the part of the employer get in the way.  If we can&#039;t pay for it, then we cannot afford the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see more statistical studies on this matter. There are many cases where veterans come back to better jobs.</p>
<p>In my last job (before I started my own business) I managed a staff of 30.  We had two employee reservists that were deployed for Iraq War #1 and they were gone for 1 year and 1.5 years respectively.  When they returned they were actually eligible for promotion and higher salaries because of the management experience that they gained while on duty. Because our company was small non-profit working with ex-convicts, having these employees gone was a major hardship for us.  We lost our key talent and had to reorganize to work properly in their absence.  We still managed to fit them back in with better positions than before they left.  Many employers want to do the right thing for our troops.</p>
<p>I think that the military and veterans affairs folks owe it to our troops to make sure that they have decent jobs when they come home.  Documentation should be filed that clearly states the job duties and salaries of reservists and enlisted personnel.  If we can pay 50 million for a bridge to nowhere in Alaska, and pay billions for a war with dodgy motivations, then we can pay to enforce the law, and provide assistance in those cases where legitimate economic hardship, bankruptcy, or operational problems on the part of the employer get in the way.  If we can't pay for it, then we cannot afford the war.</p>
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		<title>By: mike a</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my friends from high school has had a somewhat similar problem finding a good civilian job. After each one of his tours of duty in Iraq (this confrontation and the previous), he looked for something in the private sector, but could find little worth his time, so he returned both times to the military.

I think it is commendable what he has done in both conflicts, but we as a society should make it a bit easier to transition from one sort of life to another.

I was eager to see what people had to say about this, but, as usual, the discussion seems to be turning into talking about how one political party or another is good/bad. Perhaps a better approach would be to find some good ideas, and then see if the government is even considering them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my friends from high school has had a somewhat similar problem finding a good civilian job. After each one of his tours of duty in Iraq (this confrontation and the previous), he looked for something in the private sector, but could find little worth his time, so he returned both times to the military.</p>
<p>I think it is commendable what he has done in both conflicts, but we as a society should make it a bit easier to transition from one sort of life to another.</p>
<p>I was eager to see what people had to say about this, but, as usual, the discussion seems to be turning into talking about how one political party or another is good/bad. Perhaps a better approach would be to find some good ideas, and then see if the government is even considering them.</p>
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		<title>By: lazerlou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazerlou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were up to me? I&#039;d guarantee all veterans who ever fought in a war a pension such that they would never have to work again in exchange for their profound sacrifice.  It would at least price us out of waging unjust, bullshit wars founded on lies. 
I&#039;d also remove the vestiges of our cold war military imperiaslm to help pay, which has been the source of much terrorism. Do we really still need military bases all over the world? Do they cause more problems than they solve? Oh yes, and removing repunlican military pork would aslo be helpful/ Missle defense? Trent Lott&#039;s boats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were up to me? I'd guarantee all veterans who ever fought in a war a pension such that they would never have to work again in exchange for their profound sacrifice.  It would at least price us out of waging unjust, bullshit wars founded on lies.<br />
I'd also remove the vestiges of our cold war military imperiaslm to help pay, which has been the source of much terrorism. Do we really still need military bases all over the world? Do they cause more problems than they solve? Oh yes, and removing repunlican military pork would aslo be helpful/ Missle defense? Trent Lott's boats?</p>
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		<title>By: lazerlou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazerlou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Settle down Mr. &quot;Winner&quot;
This is about the larger issue of veterans benefits. How about job training, or guaranteed employment or training and placement upon return from war? How about regulations that require the smae salary for soliders as when they left. 

No, no. See this is about how this adminsitration uses middle and working class kids to advance the interests of the military industrial complex, and then discards them after they are through. Republicans should all be ashamed of what they have done to cut veterans&#039; benefits. Shame.

If it were up to me? I&#039;d guarantee all veterans who ever fought in a war a pension such that they would never have to work again in exchange for their profound sacrifice.  It would at least price us out of waging unjust, bullshit wars founded on lies. 
I&#039;d also remove the vestiges of our cold war military imperiaslm to help pay, which has been the source of much terrorism. Do we really still need military bases all over the world? Do they cause more problems than they solve? Oh yes, and removing repunlican military pork would aslo be helpful/ Missle defense? Trent Lott&#039;s boats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Settle down Mr. "Winner"<br />
This is about the larger issue of veterans benefits. How about job training, or guaranteed employment or training and placement upon return from war? How about regulations that require the smae salary for soliders as when they left. </p>
<p>No, no. See this is about how this adminsitration uses middle and working class kids to advance the interests of the military industrial complex, and then discards them after they are through. Republicans should all be ashamed of what they have done to cut veterans' benefits. Shame.</p>
<p>If it were up to me? I'd guarantee all veterans who ever fought in a war a pension such that they would never have to work again in exchange for their profound sacrifice.  It would at least price us out of waging unjust, bullshit wars founded on lies.<br />
I'd also remove the vestiges of our cold war military imperiaslm to help pay, which has been the source of much terrorism. Do we really still need military bases all over the world? Do they cause more problems than they solve? Oh yes, and removing repunlican military pork would aslo be helpful/ Missle defense? Trent Lott's boats?</p>
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		<title>By: TheWwasforWasted</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheWwasforWasted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If anything, it is the dirtbag employers not living up to their obligations that are to blameâ¦ Ironically, that military industrial complex you mantion will offer thousands of jobs to former soldiers, who know the hardware.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t know for sure but they probably are living up to the law.  More than likely the law was written with the heavy hands of the corporations involved and in their best interests rather than for the interests of those willing to march to war for their country.  With a Congress and WH defunct of morality and serving the corporate interests, why would any one be surprised?  Its been going on forever and there is never any accountability.  One only need to look to the White House to see whatâs important and it is not our brave men and women serving in the military â their role is to sacrifice and the WH and congressional interests role is to get rich on their backs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If anything, it is the dirtbag employers not living up to their obligations that are to blameâ¦ Ironically, that military industrial complex you mantion will offer thousands of jobs to former soldiers, who know the hardware.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don't know for sure but they probably are living up to the law.  More than likely the law was written with the heavy hands of the corporations involved and in their best interests rather than for the interests of those willing to march to war for their country.  With a Congress and WH defunct of morality and serving the corporate interests, why would any one be surprised?  Its been going on forever and there is never any accountability.  One only need to look to the White House to see whatâs important and it is not our brave men and women serving in the military â their role is to sacrifice and the WH and congressional interests role is to get rich on their backs.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K. LOSER-lou, pipe down.  Let&#039;s not get off track here.  I believe the post was about the difficulty soldiers have returning to their former level of employment, even with the protections of USERRA.  
 
If anything, it is the dirtbag employers not living up to their obligations that are to blame...  Ironically, that military industrial complex you mantion will offer thousands of jobs to former soldiers, who know the hardware.  

What would you have them do, work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart?  Travel around the country selling beads and patchoui?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. LOSER-lou, pipe down.  Let's not get off track here.  I believe the post was about the difficulty soldiers have returning to their former level of employment, even with the protections of USERRA.  </p>
<p>If anything, it is the dirtbag employers not living up to their obligations that are to blame...  Ironically, that military industrial complex you mantion will offer thousands of jobs to former soldiers, who know the hardware.  </p>
<p>What would you have them do, work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart?  Travel around the country selling beads and patchoui?</p>
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		<title>By: lazerlou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lazerlou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and veteran&#039;s benefits should not be cut either. Republicans have done that too. So much for supporting the troops. I guess it means this administration supports troops only when that &quot;support&quot; is funnelled through the various contractors of the military industrial complex.  When it comes to supporting troops&#039; families, or funding hositals, or paying for disability benefits, sorry. But tax cuts for the rich, now those are far more important than basic decency and ethical government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and veteran's benefits should not be cut either. Republicans have done that too. So much for supporting the troops. I guess it means this administration supports troops only when that "support" is funnelled through the various contractors of the military industrial complex.  When it comes to supporting troops' families, or funding hositals, or paying for disability benefits, sorry. But tax cuts for the rich, now those are far more important than basic decency and ethical government.</p>
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