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		<title>By: Butch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;code&gt;If you just look at his utilization of torture, his spying on American citizens, and his ordering the military into a war without cause it is clear that Bush is a criminal.&lt;/code&gt;

Yet another LIBERAL CrackPot.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>If you just look at his utilization of torture, his spying on American citizens, and his ordering the military into a war without cause it is clear that Bush is a criminal.</code></p>
<p>Yet another LIBERAL CrackPot.</p>
<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jefferson unilaterally spent public funds to double the size of the country. Jackson defied the Supreme Court and told them to go ahead and try to enforce their orders. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus. Wilson widely curtailed free speech.

I’m not sure GWB has done anything on a comparable scale.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Disagree. Signing statements assert that no matter what Congress does, he does what he wants. (Had there been just ONE signing statement, or even a few linked around a particular topic, it would better match the list above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jefferson unilaterally spent public funds to double the size of the country. Jackson defied the Supreme Court and told them to go ahead and try to enforce their orders. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus. Wilson widely curtailed free speech.</p>
<p>I&rsquo;m not sure GWB has done anything on a comparable scale.</p></blockquote>
<p>Disagree. Signing statements assert that no matter what Congress does, he does what he wants. (Had there been just ONE signing statement, or even a few linked around a particular topic, it would better match the list above).</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That’s like saying that we had explosions before 1945, so the nuclear bomb was no big deal.&lt;/em&gt;

Jefferson unilaterally spent public funds to double the size of the country. Jackson defied the Supreme Court and told them to go ahead and try to enforce their orders. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.  Wilson widely curtailed free speech.  

I&#039;m not sure GWB has done anything on a comparable scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That&rsquo;s like saying that we had explosions before 1945, so the nuclear bomb was no big deal.</em></p>
<p>Jefferson unilaterally spent public funds to double the size of the country. Jackson defied the Supreme Court and told them to go ahead and try to enforce their orders. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.  Wilson widely curtailed free speech.  </p>
<p>I'm not sure GWB has done anything on a comparable scale.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Presidents have, since George Washington, asserted inherent powers and otherwise pushed the envelope on separation of powers. They wait for the courts to order them to stop. I don’t like it but it ain’t exactly new.&quot;

That&#039;s like saying that we had explosions before 1945, so the nuclear bomb was no big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Presidents have, since George Washington, asserted inherent powers and otherwise pushed the envelope on separation of powers. They wait for the courts to order them to stop. I don&rsquo;t like it but it ain&rsquo;t exactly new."</p>
<p>That's like saying that we had explosions before 1945, so the nuclear bomb was no big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Please, do not believe the report. Those very same 4 Generals and the one Admiral who last year testified in Congress, Guess what, they are retired and in reserve status, they will never be called up or serve one weekend duty in their reserve unit.

These same Generals fought against the Serbian War as President Clinton sent in our troops to remove Malosavich.

They retired during the Gulf War in which they disaproved of the attack on Iraq.

Not one of these Generals ever saw a conflict during their years of service.
Each and every General served in the Pentagon and saw desk duty.
It is just politics.
Ed In the know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, do not believe the report. Those very same 4 Generals and the one Admiral who last year testified in Congress, Guess what, they are retired and in reserve status, they will never be called up or serve one weekend duty in their reserve unit.</p>
<p>These same Generals fought against the Serbian War as President Clinton sent in our troops to remove Malosavich.</p>
<p>They retired during the Gulf War in which they disaproved of the attack on Iraq.</p>
<p>Not one of these Generals ever saw a conflict during their years of service.<br />
Each and every General served in the Pentagon and saw desk duty.<br />
It is just politics.<br />
Ed In the know</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They wait for the courts to order them to stop. I don’t like it but it ain’t exactly new.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ah, but what happens when you pack the courts with conservative judges, and then quietly fire any prosecutors likely to even bring cases against you _to_ the courts in the first place?

And it may not be new, but if Bush is shown to actually be taking actions in violation of passed laws, based solely on his signing statements, it&#039;s still a crisis for any free society...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They wait for the courts to order them to stop. I don&rsquo;t like it but it ain&rsquo;t exactly new.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but what happens when you pack the courts with conservative judges, and then quietly fire any prosecutors likely to even bring cases against you _to_ the courts in the first place?</p>
<p>And it may not be new, but if Bush is shown to actually be taking actions in violation of passed laws, based solely on his signing statements, it's still a crisis for any free society...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Two words: signing statements.&lt;/em&gt;

Presidents have, since George Washington, asserted inherent powers and otherwise pushed the envelope on separation of powers. They wait for the courts to order them to stop.  I don&#039;t like it but it ain&#039;t exactly new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Two words: signing statements.</em></p>
<p>Presidents have, since George Washington, asserted inherent powers and otherwise pushed the envelope on separation of powers. They wait for the courts to order them to stop.  I don't like it but it ain't exactly new.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He stood for re-election nearly two years into the war effort and won. He has not, so far as I’m aware, refused to follow any decisions against him by the Supreme Court or violated any laws aimed at him by the Congress.&quot;

Two words: signing statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"He stood for re-election nearly two years into the war effort and won. He has not, so far as I&rsquo;m aware, refused to follow any decisions against him by the Supreme Court or violated any laws aimed at him by the Congress."</p>
<p>Two words: signing statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s a shorthand evaluation of his public policy.&lt;/em&gt;

I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It&rsquo;s a shorthand evaluation of his public policy.</em></p>
<p>I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“Insanity of Bush” isn’t a personal attack on Bush?&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s a shorthand evaluation of his public policy.  But there&#039;s no ban on attacking politicians on the site, merely attacking posters and other commenters.   If the attacks are so extreme as to amount to trollishness, or are random spam unrelated to the topic under discussion, then they are in violation of other policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“Insanity of Bush” isn&rsquo;t a personal attack on Bush?</em></p>
<p>It's a shorthand evaluation of his public policy.  But there's no ban on attacking politicians on the site, merely attacking posters and other commenters.   If the attacks are so extreme as to amount to trollishness, or are random spam unrelated to the topic under discussion, then they are in violation of other policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Insanity of Bush&quot; isn&#039;t a personal attack on Bush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Insanity of Bush" isn't a personal attack on Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sy Hersh’s incessant banging of the drum to the contrary, that remains the public position of the administration.&lt;/em&gt;

Right.  And before the Iraq War, after Bush had already decided to attack Iraq, he was telling the public that war was his last resort, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sy Hersh&rsquo;s incessant banging of the drum to the contrary, that remains the public position of the administration.</em></p>
<p>Right.  And before the Iraq War, after Bush had already decided to attack Iraq, he was telling the public that war was his last resort, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cernig,

Your first comment had several hyperlinks and was caught in the spam filter; it&#039;s released now.

I&#039;m not sure why a subordinate&#039;s decision to resign would be cause for impeachment.  If true, Pace is the senior military adviser and, certainly, a big fish.  He is not, however, the elected commander-in-chief nor is the president required to follow his orders.

Again, I don&#039;t support war with Iran with the information we&#039;ve got now, nor do I think the administration wants it either.  But the president&#039;s deciding otherwise certainly would not constitute a high crime or misdemeanor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cernig,</p>
<p>Your first comment had several hyperlinks and was caught in the spam filter; it's released now.</p>
<p>I'm not sure why a subordinate's decision to resign would be cause for impeachment.  If true, Pace is the senior military adviser and, certainly, a big fish.  He is not, however, the elected commander-in-chief nor is the president required to follow his orders.</p>
<p>Again, I don't support war with Iran with the information we've got now, nor do I think the administration wants it either.  But the president's deciding otherwise certainly would not constitute a high crime or misdemeanor.</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Commander-in-Chief has a policy; pressure Iran. The possibility of military action looming like a sword of Damocles strengthens diplomacy.

So, these whining generals - who BTW shouldn&#039;t be polishing their medals over Iraq - decide to undercut (ANONOMOUSLY)  that policy, because they don&#039;t LIKE it..aawww, that&#039;s real sad. 

That&#039;s  guts and military tradition for you. 
A loyal honest man would quietly resign.

IF this IS a true story, these generals are just punk-ass bitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Commander-in-Chief has a policy; pressure Iran. The possibility of military action looming like a sword of Damocles strengthens diplomacy.</p>
<p>So, these whining generals - who BTW shouldn't be polishing their medals over Iraq - decide to undercut (ANONOMOUSLY)  that policy, because they don't LIKE it..aawww, that's real sad. </p>
<p>That's  guts and military tradition for you.<br />
A loyal honest man would quietly resign.</p>
<p>IF this IS a true story, these generals are just punk-ass bitches.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m generally not a fan of Cap&#039;n Ed, in this instance he is correct - resigning out of unresolvable disagreement with higher authority has never been considered dishonorable or illegal, and staying to work &quot;within the system&quot; is also an option. But bear in mind that trying to fix things from the inside is ostensibly what Powell was doing for years, even after it was painfully apparent to everyone except him that he had no authority or respect within Bush&#039;s inner circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I'm generally not a fan of Cap'n Ed, in this instance he is correct - resigning out of unresolvable disagreement with higher authority has never been considered dishonorable or illegal, and staying to work "within the system" is also an option. But bear in mind that trying to fix things from the inside is ostensibly what Powell was doing for years, even after it was painfully apparent to everyone except him that he had no authority or respect within Bush's inner circle.</p>
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