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	<title>Comments on: Some More Numbers on the Geithner Plan</title>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/some_more_numbers_on_the_geithner_plan/comment-page-1/#comment-996949</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No good deeds will go unpunished.  That&#039;s the only lesson I can come up with here.

But I would have a question even if I was one of the insolvent banks.  At what point does Congress and The One decide that any profits earned become obscene and need to be taxed at a 90% rate, since, you know, it was the people&#039;s money that made it possible?

Does any of this remind anyone else of The Producers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No good deeds will go unpunished.  That's the only lesson I can come up with here.</p>
<p>But I would have a question even if I was one of the insolvent banks.  At what point does Congress and The One decide that any profits earned become obscene and need to be taxed at a 90% rate, since, you know, it was the people's money that made it possible?</p>
<p>Does any of this remind anyone else of The Producers?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not following the accounting in your example. The way I see it, the bank had $10,000 in assets on their books. They sell them for $8400, taking a loss of $1600. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the example, the default rate is 50% so actually the value is $5,000.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other point I don&#039;t follow is your assessment that the FDIC will be left picking up the cost of the 50% of worthless assets. My understanding is that the government, via the FED and FDIC, is providing a loan, not guaranteeing against a loss. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its called a non-recourse loan.  That is if the investment pays off I pay back the FED/FDIC.  If it goes bust, I don&#039;t pay them back.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The only way I see the government getting stuck is if the private equity partner defaulted on their loans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since it is a non-recourse loan there is no downside to defaulting.  In fact, it isn&#039;t really even defaulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am not following the accounting in your example. The way I see it, the bank had $10,000 in assets on their books. They sell them for $8400, taking a loss of $1600. </p></blockquote>
<p>In the example, the default rate is 50% so actually the value is $5,000.</p>
<blockquote><p>The other point I don't follow is your assessment that the FDIC will be left picking up the cost of the 50% of worthless assets. My understanding is that the government, via the FED and FDIC, is providing a loan, not guaranteeing against a loss. </p></blockquote>
<p>Its called a non-recourse loan.  That is if the investment pays off I pay back the FED/FDIC.  If it goes bust, I don't pay them back.</p>
<blockquote><p>The only way I see the government getting stuck is if the private equity partner defaulted on their loans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since it is a non-recourse loan there is no downside to defaulting.  In fact, it isn't really even defaulting.</p>
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		<title>By: John McLaughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not following the accounting in your example. The way I see it, the bank had $10,000 in assets on their books. They sell them for $8400, taking a loss of $1600. 

The other point I don&#039;t follow is your assessment that the FDIC will be left picking up the cost of the 50% of worthless assets. My understanding is that the government, via the FED and FDIC, is providing a loan, not guaranteeing against a loss. The only way I see the government getting stuck is if the private equity partner defaulted on their loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not following the accounting in your example. The way I see it, the bank had $10,000 in assets on their books. They sell them for $8400, taking a loss of $1600. </p>
<p>The other point I don't follow is your assessment that the FDIC will be left picking up the cost of the 50% of worthless assets. My understanding is that the government, via the FED and FDIC, is providing a loan, not guaranteeing against a loss. The only way I see the government getting stuck is if the private equity partner defaulted on their loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The variable of actual worth is likely much higher in the equation.  Even if the loan goes bad the house that backs it is still around.  There are only a few places in the country where the loans are substantially higher than the home values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The variable of actual worth is likely much higher in the equation.  Even if the loan goes bad the house that backs it is still around.  There are only a few places in the country where the loans are substantially higher than the home values.</p>
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