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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/something_not_always_better_than_nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-938702</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the sad truth is that macroeconomists can only be half-believed ... if that.

(Note, I guarantee anyone who pops up to say that macroeconomists can be believed will not be making the general case, but will have a short list of macroeconomists to &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; believe.)

((&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/02/theories-of-tarp-evolution.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tyler gets scary again&lt;/a&gt;))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the sad truth is that macroeconomists can only be half-believed ... if that.</p>
<p>(Note, I guarantee anyone who pops up to say that macroeconomists can be believed will not be making the general case, but will have a short list of macroeconomists to <i>really</i> believe.)</p>
<p>((<a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/02/theories-of-tarp-evolution.html" rel="nofollow">Tyler gets scary again</a>))</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow up - re: economics vs political realities
From Mankiw:

Let me reply by quoting Milton Friedman:

The role of the economist in discussions of public policy seems to me to be to prescribe what should be done in light of what can be done, politics aside, and not to predict what is &quot;politically feasible&quot; and then to recommend it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up - re: economics vs political realities<br />
From Mankiw:</p>
<p>Let me reply by quoting Milton Friedman:</p>
<p>The role of the economist in discussions of public policy seems to me to be to prescribe what should be done in light of what can be done, politics aside, and not to predict what is "politically feasible" and then to recommend it.<br />
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Remember, Greenspan while cautioning against irrational exuberance in some things, also called the housing prices &quot;froth&quot; and not a bubble, because &quot;there had never been a national bubble.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Remember, Greenspan while cautioning against irrational exuberance in some things, also called the housing prices "froth" and not a bubble, because "there had never been a national bubble.)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t think it is concentrated in the pol&#039;s.  We are a social species.  We have crowd movements on the way up, and the way down.  That&#039;s what Robert Shiller&#039;s book (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Irrational-Exuberance-Robert-J-Shiller/dp/0691050627&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Irrational Exuberanc&lt;/a&gt;e) was all about.

What I don&#039;t like is this seeming idea that we can take the good half of the crowd response (the bubble) and then decry the obvious result.  Bubbles don&#039;t last.  That&#039;s what makes them bubbles.

It is NOT because a politician came out of his house one morning and said &quot;look, a bubble!&quot;

(Shorter: If more people had remembered to fear bubble, THEN this never would have happened.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don't think it is concentrated in the pol's.  We are a social species.  We have crowd movements on the way up, and the way down.  That's what Robert Shiller's book (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Irrational-Exuberance-Robert-J-Shiller/dp/0691050627" rel="nofollow">Irrational Exuberanc</a>e) was all about.</p>
<p>What I don't like is this seeming idea that we can take the good half of the crowd response (the bubble) and then decry the obvious result.  Bubbles don't last.  That's what makes them bubbles.</p>
<p>It is NOT because a politician came out of his house one morning and said "look, a bubble!"</p>
<p>(Shorter: If more people had remembered to fear bubble, THEN this never would have happened.)</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not blaming the Democrats, just irresponsible leaders in general.  Constantly sounding the alarm bell worsens the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not blaming the Democrats, just irresponsible leaders in general.  Constantly sounding the alarm bell worsens the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/something_not_always_better_than_nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-937751</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/this-is-the-worst-recession-for-over-100-years-1605367.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ouch!  Someone has moved the ball further down the field for you James:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In an extraordinary admission about the severity of the economic downturn, Ed Balls even predicted that its effects would still be felt 15 years from now. The Schools Secretary&#039;s comments carry added weight because he is a former chief economic adviser to the Treasury and regarded as one of the Prime Ministers&#039;s closest allies.

Mr Balls said yesterday: &quot;The reality is that this is becoming the most serious global recession for, I&#039;m sure, over 100 years, as it will turn out.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t believe Mr. Balls is a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/this-is-the-worst-recession-for-over-100-years-1605367.html" rel="nofollow">Ouch!  Someone has moved the ball further down the field for you James:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In an extraordinary admission about the severity of the economic downturn, Ed Balls even predicted that its effects would still be felt 15 years from now. The Schools Secretary's comments carry added weight because he is a former chief economic adviser to the Treasury and regarded as one of the Prime Ministers's closest allies.</p>
<p>Mr Balls said yesterday: "The reality is that this is becoming the most serious global recession for, I'm sure, over 100 years, as it will turn out."</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't believe Mr. Balls is a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also:

&#039;ridiculously premature exclamations of &quot;greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression.&quot;&#039;

as opposed to &quot;wrong&quot;?  Those bad guys, saying the truth too early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also:</p>
<p>'ridiculously premature exclamations of "greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression."'</p>
<p>as opposed to "wrong"?  Those bad guys, saying the truth too early.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, that is the least reality-connected thing you have said in a while.

&quot;wailing about irrational exuberance&quot; ... as opposed to believing that prices really do always go up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, that is the least reality-connected thing you have said in a while.</p>
<p>"wailing about irrational exuberance" ... as opposed to believing that prices really do always go up?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So basically, and in accordance with how the last 8 years turned out, I would just find out what the GOP wants to do, and do the opposite. Since they&#039;re against the stimulus, it&#039;s pretty clear that it&#039;s the right thing to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, there&#039;s such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy.  I have no doubt that much of the current downturn is real.  But years of wailing about housing bubbles and irrational exuberance take their toll.  Not to mention ridiculously premature exclamations of &quot;greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So basically, and in accordance with how the last 8 years turned out, I would just find out what the GOP wants to do, and do the opposite. Since they're against the stimulus, it's pretty clear that it's the right thing to do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, there's such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy.  I have no doubt that much of the current downturn is real.  But years of wailing about housing bubbles and irrational exuberance take their toll.  Not to mention ridiculously premature exclamations of "greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression."</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All quotes from 2008:

George Will: &quot;this imaginary recession...&quot;

Phill Gramm: &quot;This is a mental recession...&quot;

John McCain: &quot;The fundamentals of the economy are strong...&quot;

Republican National Congressional Committee: &quot;Thanks to Republican economic policies, the U.S. economy is robust and job creation is strong.

Republican tax cuts are creating jobs and continuing to strengthen the economy&quot;

So basically, and in accordance with how the last 8 years turned out, I would just find out what the GOP wants to do, and do the opposite. Since they&#039;re against the stimulus, it&#039;s pretty clear that it&#039;s the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All quotes from 2008:</p>
<p>George Will: "this imaginary recession..."</p>
<p>Phill Gramm: "This is a mental recession..."</p>
<p>John McCain: "The fundamentals of the economy are strong..."</p>
<p>Republican National Congressional Committee: "Thanks to Republican economic policies, the U.S. economy is robust and job creation is strong.</p>
<p>Republican tax cuts are creating jobs and continuing to strengthen the economy"</p>
<p>So basically, and in accordance with how the last 8 years turned out, I would just find out what the GOP wants to do, and do the opposite. Since they're against the stimulus, it's pretty clear that it's the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that the banking thing is still ahead of the stimulus, and can blow up even bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that the banking thing is still ahead of the stimulus, and can blow up even bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll add to what Drew said and point out, once again, that is indicates a fundamental failing in our leaders.  Why people look to them for salvation baffles me, but then again I&#039;m not religious either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll add to what Drew said and point out, once again, that is indicates a fundamental failing in our leaders.  Why people look to them for salvation baffles me, but then again I'm not religious either.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, what&#039;s politically necessary is just as real as what&#039;s economically necessary.&quot;

Which is why guys like me who believe government can do little good here, and perhaps much bad, and can grouse with the best of&#039;m about it.....need to understand we are pissing up a rope and take the least bad option as a  concession to political reality.  DS seems correct: solve for the least amount of damage that gets us through politicalworld.

Heading for the shower now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"However, what's politically necessary is just as real as what's economically necessary."</p>
<p>Which is why guys like me who believe government can do little good here, and perhaps much bad, and can grouse with the best of'm about it.....need to understand we are pissing up a rope and take the least bad option as a  concession to political reality.  DS seems correct: solve for the least amount of damage that gets us through politicalworld.</p>
<p>Heading for the shower now...</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a master of the universe isn&#039;t everything it used to be, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a master of the universe isn't everything it used to be, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two people might support &quot;the best plan Congress can manage,&quot; but even then one could be an optimist, the other a cynic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two people might support "the best plan Congress can manage," but even then one could be an optimist, the other a cynic.</p>
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