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		<title>By: zzzz</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stingy_americans_donate_millions/comment-page-1/#comment-31476</link>
		<dc:creator>zzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+500 Million Euros from Germany...</description>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stingy_americans_donate_millions/comment-page-1/#comment-30789</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. UN muckymuck makes an offhand comment at the end of a press conference and calls first world nations &quot;stingy.&quot;

2. US says &quot;we&#039;re not stingy,&quot; increases their commitment by more than $20M and throws in a carrier group. They then mock the French for not anteing up.

3. The French ante up to $37M, up from around $1M.

4. France anteing up will probably mean the US throwing even more cash into the pot.

So, one little off-handed comment nets $56M from two of the ten largest economies in the world. Heh. And you all think the UN is a worthless bureaucracy when they just took you for a multi-million dollar ride. That fishhook in your mouth hurt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. UN muckymuck makes an offhand comment at the end of a press conference and calls first world nations "stingy."</p>
<p>2. US says "we're not stingy," increases their commitment by more than $20M and throws in a carrier group. They then mock the French for not anteing up.</p>
<p>3. The French ante up to $37M, up from around $1M.</p>
<p>4. France anteing up will probably mean the US throwing even more cash into the pot.</p>
<p>So, one little off-handed comment nets $56M from two of the ten largest economies in the world. Heh. And you all think the UN is a worthless bureaucracy when they just took you for a multi-million dollar ride. That fishhook in your mouth hurt?</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stingy_americans_donate_millions/comment-page-1/#comment-30778</link>
		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thereâs also the issues of:&quot;
&quot;1) who funds the UN, so it can waste billions?&quot;

Well the Eu countries. They after all pay the largest amount to the UN. 

&quot;2) Whoâs going to end up doing most of the rebuilding of these countries?&quot;

Probably not the US

&quot;3) How much are Americans giving privately? &quot;

about the same or less as other developed countries.  
try http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000063.htm

&quot;4) How much is being done through our military?&quot;

You mean finding WMD&#039;s in Iraq? Or perhaps links to 9/11 ? 

Or do you mean how every one elses military is used ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Thereâs also the issues of:"<br />
"1) who funds the UN, so it can waste billions?"</p>
<p>Well the Eu countries. They after all pay the largest amount to the UN. </p>
<p>"2) Whoâs going to end up doing most of the rebuilding of these countries?"</p>
<p>Probably not the US</p>
<p>"3) How much are Americans giving privately? "</p>
<p>about the same or less as other developed countries.<br />
try <a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000063.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000063.htm</a></p>
<p>"4) How much is being done through our military?"</p>
<p>You mean finding WMD's in Iraq? Or perhaps links to 9/11 ? </p>
<p>Or do you mean how every one elses military is used ?</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also the issues of:

1) who funds the UN, so it can waste billions?

2) Who&#039;s going to end up doing most of the rebuilding of these countries?

3) How much are Americans giving privately? and

4) How much is being done through our military?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's also the issues of:</p>
<p>1) who funds the UN, so it can waste billions?</p>
<p>2) Who's going to end up doing most of the rebuilding of these countries?</p>
<p>3) How much are Americans giving privately? and</p>
<p>4) How much is being done through our military?</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furriners just don&#039;t get the &quot;of the people, by the people&quot; bit.  What the US gives is what the government designates from the Treasury as aid AND what citizens and residents give.

Plus, we sent people and stuff already - an aircraft carrier.  How many people and how much stuff have other countries sent over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furriners just don't get the "of the people, by the people" bit.  What the US gives is what the government designates from the Treasury as aid AND what citizens and residents give.</p>
<p>Plus, we sent people and stuff already - an aircraft carrier.  How many people and how much stuff have other countries sent over?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the 35 million figure for aid comitted by the Bush admin. is correct, it is indeed a bit stingy. We spend that much money in Iraq ever day before the morning coffee break rolls around.  

I don&#039;t think anyone doubts the generosity of the American people themselves.  I am sure as a group we will send a great deal of help to the victims of this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the 35 million figure for aid comitted by the Bush admin. is correct, it is indeed a bit stingy. We spend that much money in Iraq ever day before the morning coffee break rolls around.  </p>
<p>I don't think anyone doubts the generosity of the American people themselves.  I am sure as a group we will send a great deal of help to the victims of this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch,

If you did not have &quot;liberal whining&quot; to yourself whine, whine, whine about, how would you pass the time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch,</p>
<p>If you did not have "liberal whining" to yourself whine, whine, whine about, how would you pass the time?</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;$826,469,172 United States
$187,102,068 EU
For those without calculators handy, thatâs a ratio of 4.4172 to 1.&quot;

Rather obvious flaw in those figures , though. 

The figures for the EU is the amount donated by the EU as an institution and doesn&#039;t include the amounts donated by individual member countries (ie the UK has donated 109 million individually and as part of the EU total).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"$826,469,172 United States<br />
$187,102,068 EU<br />
For those without calculators handy, thatâs a ratio of 4.4172 to 1."</p>
<p>Rather obvious flaw in those figures , though. </p>
<p>The figures for the EU is the amount donated by the EU as an institution and doesn't include the amounts donated by individual member countries (ie the UK has donated 109 million individually and as part of the EU total).</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stingy_americans_donate_millions/comment-page-1/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch, it goes even deeper. They&#039;re still trying to win the argument that got settled early last month. You know, the one they finally managed to come a mere 285 votes closer to not losing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch, it goes even deeper. They're still trying to win the argument that got settled early last month. You know, the one they finally managed to come a mere 285 votes closer to not losing?</p>
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		<title>By: Director Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Director Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the liberal whining has nothing to do about what amount will actually *help* the survivors. This goes back to their mindset that throwing enough money at a problem will solve it, and the more thrown the better.

At some point money will be sitting in accounts doing nothing as logistics and transportation issues are worked out getting the aid to where it is needed.

I think the question should be turned around - what amount do these whiners think is appropriate?  Show how the money is spent on tangible items and then show logistically how it is delivered to the survivors. After seeing this analysis THEN they can show cause to complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the liberal whining has nothing to do about what amount will actually *help* the survivors. This goes back to their mindset that throwing enough money at a problem will solve it, and the more thrown the better.</p>
<p>At some point money will be sitting in accounts doing nothing as logistics and transportation issues are worked out getting the aid to where it is needed.</p>
<p>I think the question should be turned around - what amount do these whiners think is appropriate?  Show how the money is spent on tangible items and then show logistically how it is delivered to the survivors. After seeing this analysis THEN they can show cause to complain.</p>
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		<title>By: BigFire</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigFire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Bithead

Two reasons why European citizens might be less incline in donation:

1.  That&#039;s government&#039;s job.  They&#039;ve already taxed 80% of the income already.
2.  European on the whole are far less religious than American.</description>
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<p>Two reasons why European citizens might be less incline in donation:</p>
<p>1.  That's government's job.  They've already taxed 80% of the income already.<br />
2.  European on the whole are far less religious than American.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would point you at Mona Charen&#039;s response to this NYT nonsense, posted this morning.

&lt;blockquote&gt; In 2004, the United States provided $826,469,172 -- almost a billion dollars -- to the United Nations World Food Program. The next largest donor, the European Union, contributed $187,102,068. This, despite the fact that the European Union has a total population of 453 million, compared with the USA&#039;s 281 million, and a gross domestic product that is larger than that of the United States. 

Japan was third on the list, giving $126,906,097, and the United Kingdom was fourth, with donations totaling $109,247,050. Iran gave $40,000. The Saudi Kingdom gave $3,345,325 -- about the cost of one trip to Paris for the Crown Prince. And Kuwait, the OPEC fund and the Russian Federation gave nothing. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let&#039;s stick those in a column so we&#039;re not losing the flavor here.

$826,469,172 United States
$187,102,068 EU

For those without calculators handy, that&#039;s a ratio of 4.4172 to 1.

And that&#039;s just the government based work, which ignores the charity giving. Let&#039;s not have any more of this &#039;we&#039;re not giving enough&#039; crap, OK?

(/soapbox mode)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would point you at Mona Charen's response to this NYT nonsense, posted this morning.</p>
<blockquote><p> In 2004, the United States provided $826,469,172 -- almost a billion dollars -- to the United Nations World Food Program. The next largest donor, the European Union, contributed $187,102,068. This, despite the fact that the European Union has a total population of 453 million, compared with the USA's 281 million, and a gross domestic product that is larger than that of the United States. </p>
<p>Japan was third on the list, giving $126,906,097, and the United Kingdom was fourth, with donations totaling $109,247,050. Iran gave $40,000. The Saudi Kingdom gave $3,345,325 -- about the cost of one trip to Paris for the Crown Prince. And Kuwait, the OPEC fund and the Russian Federation gave nothing. "</p></blockquote>
<p>Let's stick those in a column so we're not losing the flavor here.</p>
<p>$826,469,172 United States<br />
$187,102,068 EU</p>
<p>For those without calculators handy, that's a ratio of 4.4172 to 1.</p>
<p>And that's just the government based work, which ignores the charity giving. Let's not have any more of this 'we're not giving enough' crap, OK?</p>
<p>(/soapbox mode)</p>
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		<title>By: Say Anything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say Anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New York Times Staying With Stingy Mantra&lt;/strong&gt;
Sigh...

President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday&#039;s tsunamis in A...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New York Times Staying With Stingy Mantra</strong><br />
Sigh...</p>
<p>President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in A...</p>
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