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		<title>By: katie</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stupid_public_school_officials/comment-page-1/#comment-45381</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 20:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you keep saying hes 17, &quot;hes only a child&quot; he âdoesnât have proper logicâ blah blah blah, thatâs bullshit, if any of you were at work and received a call from a loved one in iraq, and your boss racted in manner this boys teacher had.... youd all get pissed as well, high schools retarded policy on swearing is a joke, the fact that he swore should have nothing to do with the situation.. and if its âreally that badâ shouldnt this school expel all students who swear?

this whole event baffles me, his mothers a hero for fighting in this war and shes not even allowed to talk to her son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you keep saying hes 17, "hes only a child" he âdoesnât have proper logicâ blah blah blah, thatâs bullshit, if any of you were at work and received a call from a loved one in iraq, and your boss racted in manner this boys teacher had.... youd all get pissed as well, high schools retarded policy on swearing is a joke, the fact that he swore should have nothing to do with the situation.. and if its âreally that badâ shouldnt this school expel all students who swear?</p>
<p>this whole event baffles me, his mothers a hero for fighting in this war and shes not even allowed to talk to her son.</p>
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		<title>By: JackLewis.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackLewis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 14:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Around the Blogosphere&lt;/strong&gt;
Here comes the Christians!! (...satire) Right Wing News The Crusades and Liberal Revisionism Jawa Report, Beautiful Atrocities Stop Feeding the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Around the Blogosphere</strong><br />
Here comes the Christians!! (...satire) Right Wing News The Crusades and Liberal Revisionism Jawa Report, Beautiful Atrocities Stop Feeding the...</p>
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		<title>By: The Indepundit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stupid_public_school_officials/comment-page-1/#comment-45288</link>
		<dc:creator>The Indepundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Outrageous&lt;/strong&gt;
&quot;Student Suspended For Talking To Military Mother In Iraq&quot; (Hat tip: Joe Gandelman) STEVE VERDON proposes, &quot;Suspend the teacher for 10 days, too.&quot; MICHELLE MALKIN suggests, &quot;Smoother &#039;conversating&#039; between the student and administration might ha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Outrageous</strong><br />
"Student Suspended For Talking To Military Mother In Iraq" (Hat tip: Joe Gandelman) STEVE VERDON proposes, "Suspend the teacher for 10 days, too." MICHELLE MALKIN suggests, "Smoother 'conversating' between the student and administration might ha...</p>
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		<title>By: The Indepundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Indepundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 15:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Outrageous&lt;/strong&gt;
&quot;Student Suspended For Talking To Military Mother In Iraq&quot; (Hat tip: Joe Gandelman) STEVE VERDON proposes, &quot;Suspend the teacher for 10 days, too.&quot; MICHELLE MALKIN suggests, &quot;Smoother &#039;conversating&#039; between the student and administration might ha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Outrageous</strong><br />
"Student Suspended For Talking To Military Mother In Iraq" (Hat tip: Joe Gandelman) STEVE VERDON proposes, "Suspend the teacher for 10 days, too." MICHELLE MALKIN suggests, "Smoother 'conversating' between the student and administration might ha...</p>
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		<title>By: Ravings of John C. A. Bambenek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravings of John C. A. Bambenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 01:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Spencer High School E-Mail Shut Down&lt;/strong&gt;
From yesterday, the response to at least e-mails has been overwhelming and has shut down the inboxes of the principals involved over the kid who was suspended for the rest of the year for talking to his mom who was in Iraq during lunch. Filling up thei...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spencer High School E-Mail Shut Down</strong><br />
From yesterday, the response to at least e-mails has been overwhelming and has shut down the inboxes of the principals involved over the kid who was suspended for the rest of the year for talking to his mom who was in Iraq during lunch. Filling up thei...</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stupid_public_school_officials/comment-page-1/#comment-45256</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 23:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the teacher handled the situation poorly, and, the school continues to do so as well. Once they became aware that the boy had been talking to his mother in Iraq, they should have over looked his bad behavior and offered him counseling instead of suspension. In all likely hood, the boy is experiencing the terrible stress and worry that natuarlly occurs when one&#039;s parent is deployed. A unique situation like this demands understanding and a little rule breaking. The school is only proving that they have no heart when the boy clearly needs their help and understanding the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the teacher handled the situation poorly, and, the school continues to do so as well. Once they became aware that the boy had been talking to his mother in Iraq, they should have over looked his bad behavior and offered him counseling instead of suspension. In all likely hood, the boy is experiencing the terrible stress and worry that natuarlly occurs when one's parent is deployed. A unique situation like this demands understanding and a little rule breaking. The school is only proving that they have no heart when the boy clearly needs their help and understanding the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Peavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Peavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is &quot;conversating&quot;?  Is this a Georgia term, or part of some new English?  I can not find it in the dictionary.  Is not the word &quot;conversing&quot; the proper term, especially for a school teacher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is "conversating"?  Is this a Georgia term, or part of some new English?  I can not find it in the dictionary.  Is not the word "conversing" the proper term, especially for a school teacher?</p>
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		<title>By: basil's blog</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/stupid_public_school_officials/comment-page-1/#comment-45217</link>
		<dc:creator>basil's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;School Daze&lt;/strong&gt;
I have not met Kevin Francois. But I&#039;d like to shake his hand. And buy him supper, if he&#039;s hungry. And take him to a baseball game, if he&#039;s interested. And help him with his math, if he needs it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>School Daze</strong><br />
I have not met Kevin Francois. But I'd like to shake his hand. And buy him supper, if he's hungry. And take him to a baseball game, if he's interested. And help him with his math, if he needs it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 05:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly question for Steve:  When a punishment is ever issued, at what point does it NOT happen for behavior that occurred in the past?  Minority Report was &quot;just a movie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly question for Steve:  When a punishment is ever issued, at what point does it NOT happen for behavior that occurred in the past?  Minority Report was "just a movie."</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 05:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;kid&quot; is 17, not 5.  At 18, he could go visit Iraq on his own &quot;deployment&quot;.  It would seem, unless he is slow, he had better learn to follow the same rules in the very near future, that he&#039;ll be facing in a combat zone, presuming he is even willing to serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "kid" is 17, not 5.  At 18, he could go visit Iraq on his own "deployment".  It would seem, unless he is slow, he had better learn to follow the same rules in the very near future, that he'll be facing in a combat zone, presuming he is even willing to serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Where is the evidence that the teacher âescalated the confrontationâ?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Trying to take the phone away is escalating the situation.  Unless there is some really weird situation here I can&#039;t see how it can be anything other than taking an already delicate situation and increasing the tension.  It was a dumb move.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Assuming that the kidâs story is trueâwhat does it mean to âtry to take the phoneâ? Asking the kid to give it to him? Physically taking? We have no idea. The teacher was enforcing legitmate (and, I would argue, essential) rules.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well if the story is true, I think we can rule out &quot;asking for the phone&quot; since asking for a phone rarely causes phones to hang up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The kid admits acting disrespectfully and does not deny the use of profanity. The teacher and the administrator both indicated that they were trying to deal rationally with the kid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only after agitating the kid.  That&#039;s real bright.  Let me see, I&#039;ll piss somebody off over a potentially highly emotional issue, then complain when the person I&#039;ve pissed off isn&#039;t open to reason at that point.

I still think this problem could have been avoided.  That it wasn&#039;t reflects poorly on the school and its administration.  Was Kevin Francois out of line to use profanity and become disrupive?  Sure, but then again so was the school for failing to do their job.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Letâs be brutally honest here, this is not some âchild.â Itâs a 17-year-old young adult.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh you are sooooooo right.  After all, 17 year olds are such logic machines and so mature.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You donât know the situation of the school heâs in, you donât know his background, you donât know his previous or current activity toward teachers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, lets punish him for his past behavior!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Funny how people who will upbraid the media all the time about reporting lapses are so quick to latch onto a story when it fits into their particular lenses â especially if itâs a two-fer (anti-military persecution AND public school shenanigans! Oh Boy!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are so right!  The teacher was right, the administrators were right.  Hell, they should have called the cops on the kid and had him arrested.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâm almost beginning to question my conservative credentials, because this sounds exactly like the sort of lunacy Bill OâReilly tries to peddle all the time and people were upset about the Schiavo protestors who were overreacting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s okay, I&#039;m well past the begining stage.

&lt;blockquote&gt;For my friend from Irvine, I am trying to portray the teachers perspective. He has no idea who is on the phone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well the supposedly the teacher was informed.  Perhaps the teacher is like you kappiy and assumes students always lie.  Of course that is a great way to build respect with students:  assume students always lie.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The school board has a policy in place banning such behavior. If you see a student breaking a rule, your first reaction must be skepticism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And therein lies the problem.  What if in a classroom there was an emergency and the kid was calling 911.  Suspend him?  What if it was an emergency from home?  We can play what if games all day here.  The point is a simple rule with draconian enforcement can lead to bad outcomes in some instances.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would you believe a rule breaker? When the kid goes ballistic, it doesnât help diffuse the situation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And after being told that &quot;it&#039;s my mom and she&#039;s in Iraq; I&#039;m not hanging up,&quot; demanding the phone and trying to take it certainly wont help either will it?

I agree the kid handled the situation badly once it got the office, but the teacher and administration don&#039;t come out looking much better.  Futher, I expect a 17 yo to act stupid.  I expect adults who are probably 2x the kids age to not act stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Where is the evidence that the teacher âescalated the confrontationâ?</p></blockquote>
<p>Trying to take the phone away is escalating the situation.  Unless there is some really weird situation here I can't see how it can be anything other than taking an already delicate situation and increasing the tension.  It was a dumb move.</p>
<blockquote><p>Assuming that the kidâs story is trueâwhat does it mean to âtry to take the phoneâ? Asking the kid to give it to him? Physically taking? We have no idea. The teacher was enforcing legitmate (and, I would argue, essential) rules.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well if the story is true, I think we can rule out "asking for the phone" since asking for a phone rarely causes phones to hang up.</p>
<blockquote><p>The kid admits acting disrespectfully and does not deny the use of profanity. The teacher and the administrator both indicated that they were trying to deal rationally with the kid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only after agitating the kid.  That's real bright.  Let me see, I'll piss somebody off over a potentially highly emotional issue, then complain when the person I've pissed off isn't open to reason at that point.</p>
<p>I still think this problem could have been avoided.  That it wasn't reflects poorly on the school and its administration.  Was Kevin Francois out of line to use profanity and become disrupive?  Sure, but then again so was the school for failing to do their job.</p>
<blockquote><p>Letâs be brutally honest here, this is not some âchild.â Itâs a 17-year-old young adult.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh you are sooooooo right.  After all, 17 year olds are such logic machines and so mature.</p>
<blockquote><p>You donât know the situation of the school heâs in, you donât know his background, you donât know his previous or current activity toward teachers. </p></blockquote>
<p>Right, lets punish him for his past behavior!</p>
<blockquote><p>Funny how people who will upbraid the media all the time about reporting lapses are so quick to latch onto a story when it fits into their particular lenses â especially if itâs a two-fer (anti-military persecution AND public school shenanigans! Oh Boy!)</p></blockquote>
<p>You are so right!  The teacher was right, the administrators were right.  Hell, they should have called the cops on the kid and had him arrested.</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâm almost beginning to question my conservative credentials, because this sounds exactly like the sort of lunacy Bill OâReilly tries to peddle all the time and people were upset about the Schiavo protestors who were overreacting.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's okay, I'm well past the begining stage.</p>
<blockquote><p>For my friend from Irvine, I am trying to portray the teachers perspective. He has no idea who is on the phone.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well the supposedly the teacher was informed.  Perhaps the teacher is like you kappiy and assumes students always lie.  Of course that is a great way to build respect with students:  assume students always lie.</p>
<blockquote><p>The school board has a policy in place banning such behavior. If you see a student breaking a rule, your first reaction must be skepticism.</p></blockquote>
<p>And therein lies the problem.  What if in a classroom there was an emergency and the kid was calling 911.  Suspend him?  What if it was an emergency from home?  We can play what if games all day here.  The point is a simple rule with draconian enforcement can lead to bad outcomes in some instances.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why would you believe a rule breaker? When the kid goes ballistic, it doesnât help diffuse the situation.</p></blockquote>
<p>And after being told that "it's my mom and she's in Iraq; I'm not hanging up," demanding the phone and trying to take it certainly wont help either will it?</p>
<p>I agree the kid handled the situation badly once it got the office, but the teacher and administration don't come out looking much better.  Futher, I expect a 17 yo to act stupid.  I expect adults who are probably 2x the kids age to not act stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Oren</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 01:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the school administrators try to divert full blame for the incident to the student by continuously stating &quot;he used profanity&quot;.

How absurd, and how unfortunately typical of today&#039;s public schools.  I would like to see the idiot teacher take 10 days off to learn how to think and behave like an adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the school administrators try to divert full blame for the incident to the student by continuously stating "he used profanity".</p>
<p>How absurd, and how unfortunately typical of today's public schools.  I would like to see the idiot teacher take 10 days off to learn how to think and behave like an adult.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Pundit</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 01:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a link to the schools website from the article I read - I wrote the superintendent and copied the idiot assistant principal.    The kids mother is in IRAQ.   He should be allowed to speak with her at anytime - the teacher did overreact.  I don&#039;t know if he has past disciplinary problems, but perhaps his grades have suffered due to the deployment.   It doesn&#039;t matter to me - the school was in the wrong, and I hope that those involved get fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a link to the schools website from the article I read - I wrote the superintendent and copied the idiot assistant principal.    The kids mother is in IRAQ.   He should be allowed to speak with her at anytime - the teacher did overreact.  I don't know if he has past disciplinary problems, but perhaps his grades have suffered due to the deployment.   It doesn't matter to me - the school was in the wrong, and I hope that those involved get fired.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 00:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gad, you people are way overreacting on this matter. I&#039;m almost beginning to question my conservative credentials, because this sounds exactly like the sort of lunacy Bill O&#039;Reilly tries to peddle all the time and people were upset about the Schiavo protestors who were overreacting. 

Let&#039;s be brutally honest here, this is not some &quot;child.&quot; It&#039;s a 17-year-old young adult. You don&#039;t know the situation of the school he&#039;s in, you don&#039;t know his background, you don&#039;t know his previous or current activity toward teachers. In short, you (and I for that matter) don&#039;t know nearly enough details to lash out at the school district based upon the media story.

Funny how people who will upbraid the media all the time about reporting lapses are so quick to latch onto a story when it fits into their particular lenses - especially if it&#039;s a two-fer (anti-military persecution AND public school shenanigans! Oh Boy!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gad, you people are way overreacting on this matter. I'm almost beginning to question my conservative credentials, because this sounds exactly like the sort of lunacy Bill O'Reilly tries to peddle all the time and people were upset about the Schiavo protestors who were overreacting. </p>
<p>Let's be brutally honest here, this is not some "child." It's a 17-year-old young adult. You don't know the situation of the school he's in, you don't know his background, you don't know his previous or current activity toward teachers. In short, you (and I for that matter) don't know nearly enough details to lash out at the school district based upon the media story.</p>
<p>Funny how people who will upbraid the media all the time about reporting lapses are so quick to latch onto a story when it fits into their particular lenses - especially if it's a two-fer (anti-military persecution AND public school shenanigans! Oh Boy!)</p>
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