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	<title>Comments on: Suburban Pedestrian Blues</title>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/suburban_pedestrian_blues/comment-page-1/#comment-1036183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not planners, it&#039;s the residents.  The planners are powerless against supermajority groups of homeowners who think they know what will raise their property values.  They are the ones demanding separation of commercial and residential.  There&#039;s a city in Arizona that has five elementary schools but no middle schools and no high schools, because none of the subdivision developers wanted to put in the high school.  If that city had any planning code whatsoever, they wouldn&#039;t have that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not planners, it's the residents.  The planners are powerless against supermajority groups of homeowners who think they know what will raise their property values.  They are the ones demanding separation of commercial and residential.  There's a city in Arizona that has five elementary schools but no middle schools and no high schools, because none of the subdivision developers wanted to put in the high school.  If that city had any planning code whatsoever, they wouldn't have that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall sitting in a planning years ago and my city&#039;s head of the planning department stating that for the last forty years they were doing it wrong.  Yet they now want us to think they are doing it right.  Perhaps they are doing it right but using history as a guide I doubt it.  Planners are notorious for following fads.

Those old cities with mixed used, they were not planned but grew organically from what developers and businessmen knew would work.  Nowadays try putting a market in where you know it will work but planners have zoned it otherwise and see who wins.  I would say they are less &quot;planners&quot; and more &quot;reactors&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall sitting in a planning years ago and my city's head of the planning department stating that for the last forty years they were doing it wrong.  Yet they now want us to think they are doing it right.  Perhaps they are doing it right but using history as a guide I doubt it.  Planners are notorious for following fads.</p>
<p>Those old cities with mixed used, they were not planned but grew organically from what developers and businessmen knew would work.  Nowadays try putting a market in where you know it will work but planners have zoned it otherwise and see who wins.  I would say they are less "planners" and more "reactors".</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey W. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urbanism is, in my opinion, at the forefront of domestic policy issues today.  Essentially all of the money spent in American exurbs and suburbs after WW2 was wasted, and will need to be wiped out and rebuilt.  Of course, that is going to take many decades.  But suburbs simply aren&#039;t economic engines the way a real city is.  Even a small town with a walkable commercial district and residential-over-retail housing patterns generates more economic activity than a pure residential-only, no-thru-traffic suburb.

I don&#039;t really understand why Joyner is mocking this article.  It&#039;s quite well-written and informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urbanism is, in my opinion, at the forefront of domestic policy issues today.  Essentially all of the money spent in American exurbs and suburbs after WW2 was wasted, and will need to be wiped out and rebuilt.  Of course, that is going to take many decades.  But suburbs simply aren't economic engines the way a real city is.  Even a small town with a walkable commercial district and residential-over-retail housing patterns generates more economic activity than a pure residential-only, no-thru-traffic suburb.</p>
<p>I don't really understand why Joyner is mocking this article.  It's quite well-written and informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in my Chicago home I have a nice-sized yard, a comfortable home, and I&#039;m within walking distance of the bank, the drug store, a grocery store, my church, and five restaurants.

I&#039;m within a mile of an Ace Hardware, the post office, the public library, and an Irish pub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in my Chicago home I have a nice-sized yard, a comfortable home, and I'm within walking distance of the bank, the drug store, a grocery store, my church, and five restaurants.</p>
<p>I'm within a mile of an Ace Hardware, the post office, the public library, and an Irish pub.</p>
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