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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce 
If you want to start calling names fine. I will not apologize for defending my country. You sound like one of those who would let anyone run the U.S. down anytime, anyplace. Not a one of you have said jack about Izzy’s comments. I have compliment our allies many times in the past. Has Izzy? If the idea was to stop this discussion, then stop with the smart ass retorts. 

By the way the Iraq resolution was passed by a great margin by Congress as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce<br />
If you want to start calling names fine. I will not apologize for defending my country. You sound like one of those who would let anyone run the U.S. down anytime, anyplace. Not a one of you have said jack about Izzy&rsquo;s comments. I have compliment our allies many times in the past. Has Izzy? If the idea was to stop this discussion, then stop with the smart ass retorts. </p>
<p>By the way the Iraq resolution was passed by a great margin by Congress as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Mark Steyn: Judging from his recent literally insane book, I suspect his REAL objection to Canadians is that they won&#039;t be eager enough to help march into Europe and &quot;cull&quot; (to use his word) the supposedly overwhelming Moslem population there.  (&quot;Liquidate&quot; apparently had too many Communist connotations for him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Mark Steyn: Judging from his recent literally insane book, I suspect his REAL objection to Canadians is that they won't be eager enough to help march into Europe and "cull" (to use his word) the supposedly overwhelming Moslem population there.  ("Liquidate" apparently had too many Communist connotations for him.)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I have said before, the term coalition isn’t very precise.  Conflicts have many players on and off the scenes. There is a distinction with being one the main players than one for lack of a better phrase “that is along for the ride”. Maybe you have some hard numbers for these wars but they weren’t city states. Zachery Taylor defeated many larger forces in the war.  As I already stated I have a great deal of respect for the Canadians forces. However if those like Izzy want to do comparisons the Canadians have not had anywhere near the leadership and projection of power as the U.S. has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I have said before, the term coalition isn&rsquo;t very precise.  Conflicts have many players on and off the scenes. There is a distinction with being one the main players than one for lack of a better phrase “that is along for the ride”. Maybe you have some hard numbers for these wars but they weren&rsquo;t city states. Zachery Taylor defeated many larger forces in the war.  As I already stated I have a great deal of respect for the Canadians forces. However if those like Izzy want to do comparisons the Canadians have not had anywhere near the leadership and projection of power as the U.S. has.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne, PLEASE stop acting like a moron.
 
And &quot;od&quot;: It just ain&#039;t true that &quot;One big current difference between Canadian and American attitudes is that it&#039;s very common in Canada for someone to be for fighting in Afghanistan and against fighting in Iraq, whereas in America most people tend to be either for or against both.&quot;  There are very few Americans who have EVER been against the Afghan War -- there was exactly one vote in Congress against it, and one of the main arguments used by US opponents of the Iraq War is precisely that it&#039;s been a disastrous distraction from what Time magazine called (on its cover this week) &quot;The Right War&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, PLEASE stop acting like a moron.</p>
<p>And "od": It just ain't true that "One big current difference between Canadian and American attitudes is that it's very common in Canada for someone to be for fighting in Afghanistan and against fighting in Iraq, whereas in America most people tend to be either for or against both."  There are very few Americans who have EVER been against the Afghan War -- there was exactly one vote in Congress against it, and one of the main arguments used by US opponents of the Iraq War is precisely that it's been a disastrous distraction from what Time magazine called (on its cover this week) "The Right War".</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That said first two to fit that requirement is Mexican–American War and the Spanish-American war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Neither of which would I consider equal to the United States military at that time, not would I consider the US alone in the Spanish-American war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That said first two to fit that requirement is Mexican–American War and the Spanish-American war.</p></blockquote>
<p>Neither of which would I consider equal to the United States military at that time, not would I consider the US alone in the Spanish-American war.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam
I believe your intention was honorable. However if you really wanted to head off this discussion , you shouldn’t have single out just the one defending his country. Pointing out the attack from both side and then throwing in a compliment to both sides tends to be more effective.

However if I am mistaken and you are one of those whose only concern is about not offending anyone who is against the U.S but have no  problem with someone attacking the U.S. then disregard my first paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam<br />
I believe your intention was honorable. However if you really wanted to head off this discussion , you shouldn&rsquo;t have single out just the one defending his country. Pointing out the attack from both side and then throwing in a compliment to both sides tends to be more effective.</p>
<p>However if I am mistaken and you are one of those whose only concern is about not offending anyone who is against the U.S but have no  problem with someone attacking the U.S. then disregard my first paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect the much of what many of our allies have done in the past. I have enjoyed working beside Canadians, British, Australian troops in the past. The Canadians have a unique attitude toward field living conditions but they can do that since they are a much smaller force. Overall they have better trained forced than U.S. but they are nowhere the size or have anywhere near the capacity to conduct war compare to the U.S.

Izzy was the one that took the first swipe at the U.S. I have experience these swipes many times in the past. I don’t believe just because we are top dogs at the moment that we do not have the right to defend the U.S. 

 Michael
The military success of a country isn’t ultimately gage by the relative sizes of opposing militaries. That said first two to fit that requirement is Mexican–American War and the Spanish-American war. Then there are many examples where the U.S. was the major component and lead war. Then there are wars like the first GULF war where we had allies fighting besides us but by any reasonable person would acknowledge we could have won it alone. The French Navy help us some in the Revolutionary War but many thought that the ultimate results was already predetermine. 

Again I would like to express my appreciation for any that have helped the U.S. in the past but that doesn’t give any of them a right to go unchallenged in attacking the U.S.
Anjin
“I am still waiting for you to school me about web design”
As I recalled you lost that thread discussion.

“have you ever kicked the sh*&amp;T out of anyone in combat”
Yes and I have served my country in many ways outside of combat. 

Od
Yes it is smart to seek out and acquire allies but that doesn’t mean that a country hasn’t or couldn’t have done something on their own. One can’t reasonably be absolutely sure about anything but the probabilities of what would have made a difference are sometimes very obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect the much of what many of our allies have done in the past. I have enjoyed working beside Canadians, British, Australian troops in the past. The Canadians have a unique attitude toward field living conditions but they can do that since they are a much smaller force. Overall they have better trained forced than U.S. but they are nowhere the size or have anywhere near the capacity to conduct war compare to the U.S.</p>
<p>Izzy was the one that took the first swipe at the U.S. I have experience these swipes many times in the past. I don&rsquo;t believe just because we are top dogs at the moment that we do not have the right to defend the U.S. </p>
<p> Michael<br />
The military success of a country isn&rsquo;t ultimately gage by the relative sizes of opposing militaries. That said first two to fit that requirement is Mexican–American War and the Spanish-American war. Then there are many examples where the U.S. was the major component and lead war. Then there are wars like the first GULF war where we had allies fighting besides us but by any reasonable person would acknowledge we could have won it alone. The French Navy help us some in the Revolutionary War but many thought that the ultimate results was already predetermine. </p>
<p>Again I would like to express my appreciation for any that have helped the U.S. in the past but that doesn&rsquo;t give any of them a right to go unchallenged in attacking the U.S.<br />
Anjin<br />
“I am still waiting for you to school me about web design”<br />
As I recalled you lost that thread discussion.</p>
<p>“have you ever kicked the sh*&amp;T out of anyone in combat”<br />
Yes and I have served my country in many ways outside of combat. </p>
<p>Od<br />
Yes it is smart to seek out and acquire allies but that doesn&rsquo;t mean that a country hasn&rsquo;t or couldn&rsquo;t have done something on their own. One can&rsquo;t reasonably be absolutely sure about anything but the probabilities of what would have made a difference are sometimes very obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, for my own part, I apoligize for the shocking lack of respect my countrymen -- on &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; sides on this dumbass argument -- have shown you and your country in view of your service to our joint cause in Afghanistan. I am truly embarassed by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, for my own part, I apoligize for the shocking lack of respect my countrymen -- on <em>both</em> sides on this dumbass argument -- have shown you and your country in view of your service to our joint cause in Afghanistan. I am truly embarassed by it.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lots of countries have lost wars they were sure they were going to win.  &quot;Almost certainly&quot; is pretty meaningless, unless you&#039;re talking about invading Panama.  Generally countries look for allies because they need them, either militarily or politically - its really not done just because they think having allies would be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lots of countries have lost wars they were sure they were going to win.  "Almost certainly" is pretty meaningless, unless you're talking about invading Panama.  Generally countries look for allies because they need them, either militarily or politically - its really not done just because they think having allies would be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you one thing.  The Canadian, U.S., and British soldiers (along with Dutch and Australians) who are launching offensive operations together in Kandahar province could give a rats a** about who fought whom in the War of 1812.  They only care that the greatest alliance the world has ever seen (formed during WWII) is still alive and well right now in Afghanistan. If you really care about U.S. troops then you&#039;ll engage in less of the &quot;U.S.A is #1&quot; rhetoric, as much as you might like the image of the U.S. facing the world alone, there are tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan who would like to see more of an allied presence, not less, in Afghanistan.  And yes, they would like to see those allies in a fighting role - as Canada is.

ABCA exercise in Kingston Ontario in 2002, an American, British, Canadian, Australian (and NZ) parade, hundreds of troops, is being dismissed by the Canadian Colonel.  His choice of words of command &quot;... soldiers of the Commonwealth, and you BLOODY rebels .... DISMISSED!&quot;  Everyone, especially the Americans, loved it.  U.S. loves having a rebel &#039;go it alone&#039; image, but the year is now 2008, not 1812. Lest anyone who pile on the Aussies for not doing enough in Afghanistan, remember that they had troops deployed for a fairly significant time in Vietnam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you one thing.  The Canadian, U.S., and British soldiers (along with Dutch and Australians) who are launching offensive operations together in Kandahar province could give a rats a** about who fought whom in the War of 1812.  They only care that the greatest alliance the world has ever seen (formed during WWII) is still alive and well right now in Afghanistan. If you really care about U.S. troops then you'll engage in less of the "U.S.A is #1" rhetoric, as much as you might like the image of the U.S. facing the world alone, there are tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan who would like to see more of an allied presence, not less, in Afghanistan.  And yes, they would like to see those allies in a fighting role - as Canada is.</p>
<p>ABCA exercise in Kingston Ontario in 2002, an American, British, Canadian, Australian (and NZ) parade, hundreds of troops, is being dismissed by the Canadian Colonel.  His choice of words of command "... soldiers of the Commonwealth, and you BLOODY rebels .... DISMISSED!"  Everyone, especially the Americans, loved it.  U.S. loves having a rebel 'go it alone' image, but the year is now 2008, not 1812. Lest anyone who pile on the Aussies for not doing enough in Afghanistan, remember that they had troops deployed for a fairly significant time in Vietnam.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne -

How typical of you. Jingoistic crap glorifying war and demeaning a country that has been a good neighbor and ally.

BTW, have you ever kicked the sh*&amp;T out of anyone in combat? Or are you just another armchair warrior?

Also, I am still waiting for you to school me about web design  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne -</p>
<p>How typical of you. Jingoistic crap glorifying war and demeaning a country that has been a good neighbor and ally.</p>
<p>BTW, have you ever kicked the sh*&amp;T out of anyone in combat? Or are you just another armchair warrior?</p>
<p>Also, I am still waiting for you to school me about web design  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why does it matter?  Is it somehow more macho to have won a war on your own?  How many wars has the United States won, on it&#039;s own, against a equal or greater force than it&#039;s own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why does it matter?  Is it somehow more macho to have won a war on your own?  How many wars has the United States won, on it's own, against a equal or greater force than it's own?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know, some of you kids might not remember this, but when the Iranian crazies took over our embassy in Teheran, it was the Canadian ambassador who sheltered six of our diplomats and made it possible for them to escape Iran using Canadian passports. So can we just please STF with this silly nonsense. I mean, this is really the stupidest thread I&#039;ve seen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know, some of you kids might not remember this, but when the Iranian crazies took over our embassy in Teheran, it was the Canadian ambassador who sheltered six of our diplomats and made it possible for them to escape Iran using Canadian passports. So can we just please STF with this silly nonsense. I mean, this is really the stupidest thread I've seen here.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coalitions can mean many things. I will simplify it to winning a war with no other major military force argumentation or easier yet a war that the country would have almost certainly have won without military help by others.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anjin-san
How typical of you. If you don’t like or want to answer a questions, you just start calling names. 

Izzy started with the history BS. I have a couple of British friends that like making statements like that at the bar. They like bullying those who don’t know much about history. I know enough to push back and I’m have no problem sticking up for the Unites States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anjin-san<br />
How typical of you. If you don&rsquo;t like or want to answer a questions, you just start calling names. </p>
<p>Izzy started with the history BS. I have a couple of British friends that like making statements like that at the bar. They like bullying those who don&rsquo;t know much about history. I know enough to push back and I&rsquo;m have no problem sticking up for the Unites States.</p>
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