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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_as_a_voting_issue/comment-page-1/#comment-446597</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is unfortunate is that people, liberal and conservative, don&#039;t get as excited or wound up about local and state courts as they do about the Supreme Court.  If people understood how much more of an impact local courts had, they&#039;d change their perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is unfortunate is that people, liberal and conservative, don't get as excited or wound up about local and state courts as they do about the Supreme Court.  If people understood how much more of an impact local courts had, they'd change their perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavel Grab &#187; Who Cares About Courts in the Voting Booth?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavel Grab &#187; Who Cares About Courts in the Voting Booth?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joyner at Outside the Beltway has an interesting discussion of who puts courts issues high on the agenda when they vote&#8211;and why.  &#160;Email This [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joyner at Outside the Beltway has an interesting discussion of who puts courts issues high on the agenda when they vote&#8211;and why.   Email This [...]</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Finally, for this election cycle the reality is that even with the best election year the republicans could imagine, there will be enough democratic votes in the senate to filibuster any supreme court justice nomination. Most likely the democrats will be in a majority and thus force a compromise (or have the White House and really get the upper hand). So the urgency is low for the left at this time.&lt;/i&gt;

I think one difference here is that while most Americans don&#039;t give to flips if the democrats fillibuster a circuit court appointment forever, they notice the SCOTUS ones.  They woud only have so long to fillibuster before somebody catches the blame.  While the democrats can fillibuster I think they woud have a hard time turning justice appointments like Roberts and Alito into Borks.  The congress would catch the blame on that one.

I do think you are right that if McCain does somehow win we will more likely see some type of negotiation and end up with more Kennedy types.  I hope not.  This is one area where the president should look for the Roberts and Alito types, nominate them and let the chips fall if the congress turns them into the next Bork.  The only problem is whether or not the appointees are willing to let the chips fall.

But there are a lot more cases out there dear to the conservatives.  The Kelo decision being one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Finally, for this election cycle the reality is that even with the best election year the republicans could imagine, there will be enough democratic votes in the senate to filibuster any supreme court justice nomination. Most likely the democrats will be in a majority and thus force a compromise (or have the White House and really get the upper hand). So the urgency is low for the left at this time.</i></p>
<p>I think one difference here is that while most Americans don't give to flips if the democrats fillibuster a circuit court appointment forever, they notice the SCOTUS ones.  They woud only have so long to fillibuster before somebody catches the blame.  While the democrats can fillibuster I think they woud have a hard time turning justice appointments like Roberts and Alito into Borks.  The congress would catch the blame on that one.</p>
<p>I do think you are right that if McCain does somehow win we will more likely see some type of negotiation and end up with more Kennedy types.  I hope not.  This is one area where the president should look for the Roberts and Alito types, nominate them and let the chips fall if the congress turns them into the next Bork.  The only problem is whether or not the appointees are willing to let the chips fall.</p>
<p>But there are a lot more cases out there dear to the conservatives.  The Kelo decision being one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_as_a_voting_issue/comment-page-1/#comment-445989</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Tlaloc, that you can say that means you&#039;re clueless about Boumediene.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well let&#039;s do a quick test, eh?

Over the last week google finds a grand total of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;channel=s&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=5k6&amp;q=Boumediene&amp;as_qdr=w&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;7,470&lt;/a&gt; hits for &quot;Boumediene.&quot;

Same time period search for &quot;roe v wade&quot;? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;channel=s&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;q=%22roe+v+wade%22&amp;as_qdr=w&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;107,000&lt;/a&gt; hits.

Now notice first of all that the first search is looking for a single name where as the second is looking for a phrase.  How many sites just left it at Roe rather than spell out the whole case name?  Notice further that the Boumediene happened just a few weeks ago (mid july) whereas Roe occurred 35 years ago.  

And yet Roe shows up 15x more often.

Oh yeah...Boumediene is &lt;em&gt;huge.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tlaloc, that you can say that means you're clueless about Boumediene.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well let's do a quick test, eh?</p>
<p>Over the last week google finds a grand total of <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;channel=s&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=5k6&amp;q=Boumediene&amp;as_qdr=w&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">7,470</a> hits for "Boumediene."</p>
<p>Same time period search for "roe v wade"? <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;channel=s&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;q=%22roe+v+wade%22&amp;as_qdr=w&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">107,000</a> hits.</p>
<p>Now notice first of all that the first search is looking for a single name where as the second is looking for a phrase.  How many sites just left it at Roe rather than spell out the whole case name?  Notice further that the Boumediene happened just a few weeks ago (mid july) whereas Roe occurred 35 years ago.  </p>
<p>And yet Roe shows up 15x more often.</p>
<p>Oh yeah...Boumediene is <em>huge.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tlaloc, that you can say that means you&#039;re clueless about &lt;i&gt;Boumediene&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tlaloc, that you can say that means you're clueless about <i>Boumediene</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_as_a_voting_issue/comment-page-1/#comment-445661</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YAJ:
&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, if a terrorist is released due to the decision and subsequently blows up a daycare center, &lt;strong&gt;that would fuel the rights dislike for the court for decades&lt;/strong&gt;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except for the McCain campaign, of course...


&lt;blockquote&gt;Roe is far, far from the only — or even the most important — Supreme Court decision that distresses movement conservatives. This term&#039;s Boumediene decision is equally outrageous and potentially more consequential in the big picture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, right.  You know how many times a *day* Roe get&#039;s attacked as the very personification of evil on the right?  I doubt five years from now anyone will know what Boumediene is, but Roe will still be the Right&#039;s Pinata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAJ:</p>
<blockquote><p>On the other hand, if a terrorist is released due to the decision and subsequently blows up a daycare center, <strong>that would fuel the rights dislike for the court for decades</strong>.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Except for the McCain campaign, of course...</p>
<blockquote><p>Roe is far, far from the only — or even the most important — Supreme Court decision that distresses movement conservatives. This term's Boumediene decision is equally outrageous and potentially more consequential in the big picture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, right.  You know how many times a *day* Roe get's attacked as the very personification of evil on the right?  I doubt five years from now anyone will know what Boumediene is, but Roe will still be the Right's Pinata.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;stare decisis&lt;/em&gt; Latin for &quot;what&#039;s mine is mine and what&#039;s your&#039;s is negotiable?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn't <em>stare decisis</em> Latin for "what's mine is mine and what's your's is negotiable?"</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_as_a_voting_issue/comment-page-1/#comment-445308</link>
		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt; is far, far from the only &#151; or even the most important &#151; Supreme Court decision that distresses movement conservatives. This term&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Boumediene&lt;/i&gt; decision is equally outrageous and potentially more consequential in the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Roe</i> is far, far from the only &#8212; or even the most important &#8212; Supreme Court decision that distresses movement conservatives. This term's <i>Boumediene</i> decision is equally outrageous and potentially more consequential in the big picture.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right has been dealing for decades with a court that does not see things there way. Further, there is a (arguably) coherent theory on the right about how things should be done. The left has been getting their bread buttered by the court and their legal theory seems to be along the lines of Stewart&#039;s definition of Obscenity, they know how they think the constitution should be interpreted when they see it. 

If Roe v Wade was overturned tomorrow, how many states would actually outlaw abortion (e.g. the state referendum in South Dakota). If the 5-4 decision on Habeas Corpus for terrorists had gone the other way, the left would have steamed, but not done anything about it. On the other hand, if a terrorist is released due to the decision and subsequently blows up a daycare center, that would fuel the rights dislike for the court for decades.

Finally, for this election cycle the reality is that even with the best election year the republicans could imagine, there will be enough democratic votes in the senate to filibuster any supreme court justice nomination. Most likely the democrats will be in a majority and thus force a compromise (or have the White House and really get the upper hand). So the urgency is low for the left at this time.

All in all, I agree that the make up of the court is much less powerful for the left than the right. Arguably, the court is  make up is one of the strongest issues for shoring up McCain support on his base. So what else is new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right has been dealing for decades with a court that does not see things there way. Further, there is a (arguably) coherent theory on the right about how things should be done. The left has been getting their bread buttered by the court and their legal theory seems to be along the lines of Stewart's definition of Obscenity, they know how they think the constitution should be interpreted when they see it. </p>
<p>If Roe v Wade was overturned tomorrow, how many states would actually outlaw abortion (e.g. the state referendum in South Dakota). If the 5-4 decision on Habeas Corpus for terrorists had gone the other way, the left would have steamed, but not done anything about it. On the other hand, if a terrorist is released due to the decision and subsequently blows up a daycare center, that would fuel the rights dislike for the court for decades.</p>
<p>Finally, for this election cycle the reality is that even with the best election year the republicans could imagine, there will be enough democratic votes in the senate to filibuster any supreme court justice nomination. Most likely the democrats will be in a majority and thus force a compromise (or have the White House and really get the upper hand). So the urgency is low for the left at this time.</p>
<p>All in all, I agree that the make up of the court is much less powerful for the left than the right. Arguably, the court is  make up is one of the strongest issues for shoring up McCain support on his base. So what else is new?</p>
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