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		<title>By: cajola</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_to_decide_on_obama_citizenship/comment-page-1/#comment-532344</link>
		<dc:creator>cajola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posted by Franklin &#124; December 5, 2008 &#124; 11:47 am.


I agree the nut jobs on the right are the ones that keep feeding this crap about Obama...but those on the left are the ones who will rectify the wrongs done by Bush and put this country back to work again and I really don&#039;t regard them as nut jobs....more fair minded and who have more interest in the &quot;middle class&quot;.
The middle class have been totally ignored by this administration and all for big business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted by Franklin | December 5, 2008 | 11:47 am.</p>
<p>I agree the nut jobs on the right are the ones that keep feeding this crap about Obama...but those on the left are the ones who will rectify the wrongs done by Bush and put this country back to work again and I really don't regard them as nut jobs....more fair minded and who have more interest in the "middle class".<br />
The middle class have been totally ignored by this administration and all for big business.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I hope the far-right nutjobs keep wasting their time on this.  Now if we could get something for the far-left nutjobs to waste time on (now that Bush is leaving), maybe we could get something productive done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I hope the far-right nutjobs keep wasting their time on this.  Now if we could get something for the far-left nutjobs to waste time on (now that Bush is leaving), maybe we could get something productive done.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Taylor if you knew anything about constitutional law, you would know the main body of the constitution is not amendable.&lt;/em&gt; 

Pompously wrong.  The Constitution is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available online&lt;/a&gt;, folks -- try reading it sometime.  There were precisely TWO provisions not amendable, and one&#039;s expired:

&lt;i&gt;provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.&lt;/i&gt;

Note that even the equal suffrage provision is amendable if the states being denied equal suffrage vote in favor.

As for the &quot;both parents&quot; argument, that&#039;s bogus, as Marc Ambinder illustrated (no link due to hyperactive OTB filter):

&lt;em&gt;A thinner version of the claim holds that Obama is a citizen, but not a natural born or naturalized citizen and this constitutionally ineligible. This claim rests on a fairly tendentious argument about Obama&#039;s father and mother. Obama Sr., wasn&#039;t a citizen; &lt;strong&gt;therefore, his son could not have been born to two U.S. citizens&lt;/strong&gt;; to be a naturalized citizen, both parents have to be U.S. citizens. Also: the law requires citizen-parents to have spent a certain length of time in the state; Obama&#039;s mother was a woman of the world.

&lt;strong&gt;But the two-citizen parent rule, which is no longer in effect, applied to people born outside the U.S&lt;/strong&gt;.  Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii, a U.S. state since 1959; (had he been born earlier, it wouldn&#039;t matter -- U.S. law granted natural born citizenship to every Hawaiian born after 1900.) 

Now -- the 14th amendment is fairly clear on the subject:

&quot;All persons &lt;strong&gt;born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof&lt;/strong&gt;, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

So -- provide authority for the proposition that Obama was not &quot;subject to the jurisdiction&quot; of the U.S. at birth, or else hush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Taylor if you knew anything about constitutional law, you would know the main body of the constitution is not amendable.</em> </p>
<p>Pompously wrong.  The Constitution is <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html" rel="nofollow">available online</a>, folks -- try reading it sometime.  There were precisely TWO provisions not amendable, and one's expired:</p>
<p><i>provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.</i></p>
<p>Note that even the equal suffrage provision is amendable if the states being denied equal suffrage vote in favor.</p>
<p>As for the "both parents" argument, that's bogus, as Marc Ambinder illustrated (no link due to hyperactive OTB filter):</p>
<p><em>A thinner version of the claim holds that Obama is a citizen, but not a natural born or naturalized citizen and this constitutionally ineligible. This claim rests on a fairly tendentious argument about Obama's father and mother. Obama Sr., wasn't a citizen; <strong>therefore, his son could not have been born to two U.S. citizens</strong>; to be a naturalized citizen, both parents have to be U.S. citizens. Also: the law requires citizen-parents to have spent a certain length of time in the state; Obama's mother was a woman of the world.</p>
<p><strong>But the two-citizen parent rule, which is no longer in effect, applied to people born outside the U.S</strong>.  Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii, a U.S. state since 1959; (had he been born earlier, it wouldn't matter -- U.S. law granted natural born citizenship to every Hawaiian born after 1900.) </p>
<p>Now -- the 14th amendment is fairly clear on the subject:</p>
<p>"All persons <strong>born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof</strong>, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."</em></p>
<p>So -- provide authority for the proposition that Obama was not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. at birth, or else hush.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin=san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin=san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Every time anjin-san says something like this it proves he/she is incapable of arguing the case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well Drew, if you ever say anything interesting, maybe it will be worth arguing about. The world waits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Every time anjin-san says something like this it proves he/she is incapable of arguing the case.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well Drew, if you ever say anything interesting, maybe it will be worth arguing about. The world waits...</p>
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		<title>By: ggjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ggjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I&#039;m not necessarily saying its a good thing he won, just that he seems to have figured out the odds pretty well when he made his decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I'm not necessarily saying its a good thing he won, just that he seems to have figured out the odds pretty well when he made his decision.</p>
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		<title>By: ggjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ggjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And if Obama, as a constitutional law scholar, was aware of the potential problem, maybe it was pure arrogance that caused him to run anyway?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know, in hind sight it doesn&#039;t look so arrogant - after all he won, and I think in a few months it&#039;ll be clear that the supreme court is not going to overturn the election.

It&#039;s only arrogant if you lose.  If you win its just well placed confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And if Obama, as a constitutional law scholar, was aware of the potential problem, maybe it was pure arrogance that caused him to run anyway?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't know, in hind sight it doesn't look so arrogant - after all he won, and I think in a few months it'll be clear that the supreme court is not going to overturn the election.</p>
<p>It's only arrogant if you lose.  If you win its just well placed confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: CalifGirlInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalifGirlInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew -- &quot;For this case to have practical merit requires us to believe that Obama and his political team (who undoubtedly were aware, and have been aware, of this potential claim) are idiots. If upheld, present and future historians would judge Obama and his team to be the most reckless and foolish political stooges in the history of the nation.&quot;

Not necessarily.  Many people obviously think that being a &quot;native-born&quot; citizen (born within the U.S.) is the same as &quot;natural-born.&quot;  Many are probably unaware of the possible ramifications of dual nationality on presidential eligibility.  And if Obama, as a constitutional law scholar, was aware of the potential problem, maybe it was pure arrogance that caused him to run anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew -- "For this case to have practical merit requires us to believe that Obama and his political team (who undoubtedly were aware, and have been aware, of this potential claim) are idiots. If upheld, present and future historians would judge Obama and his team to be the most reckless and foolish political stooges in the history of the nation."</p>
<p>Not necessarily.  Many people obviously think that being a "native-born" citizen (born within the U.S.) is the same as "natural-born."  Many are probably unaware of the possible ramifications of dual nationality on presidential eligibility.  And if Obama, as a constitutional law scholar, was aware of the potential problem, maybe it was pure arrogance that caused him to run anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: CalifGirlInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalifGirlInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/a&gt;I believe the &quot;natural-born&quot; requirement was to ensure that the President would not have divided loyalties, as one might who held (or had held) dual citizenship, or was naturalized.  

That Obama had held Kenyan citizenship is undisputed, even by Obama himself.  One can ask, based on Obama&#039;s actions (not his words), whether he still feels some affinity or loyalty for Kenya.  In 2006, he visited Kenya on an Official Government Visa.  While there, he supported his cousin Raila Odinga in his bid for the Presidency, stood beside him at rallies, raised funds for Odinga&#039;s campaign, gave a speech to university students criticizing the current pro-American Kenyan government.  Since these actions were in violation of his visa, &lt;em&gt;&quot;[t]he Kenyan government lodges an official protest of Obama’s passport abuse and misconduct, and Obama’s actions are denounced by the U.S. State Department as being in direct opposition to U. S. National Security.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  Incidentally, Odinga is a Muslim socialist, has ties to Al Qaeda and Muammar Qaddafi of Libya.  When he lost the election in Dec. 2007, &quot; his followers burn women and children alive - in a Christian church where they had sought refuge. Over 1,500 people are ultimately killed in riots, and Odinga is ultimately given the position of Prime Minister to placate his radical supporters and stop further bloodshed.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org&lt;/a&gt; 

More info on the Obama/Odinga connection and Odinga himself:  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.washingtontimes.com&lt;/a&gt;  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=53396&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.kbc.co.ke&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_odinga_kenya/2008/06/24/107152.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.newsmax.com&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1699350,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.time.com&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4353&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;canadafreepress.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the "natural-born" requirement was to ensure that the President would not have divided loyalties, as one might who held (or had held) dual citizenship, or was naturalized.  </p>
<p>That Obama had held Kenyan citizenship is undisputed, even by Obama himself.  One can ask, based on Obama's actions (not his words), whether he still feels some affinity or loyalty for Kenya.  In 2006, he visited Kenya on an Official Government Visa.  While there, he supported his cousin Raila Odinga in his bid for the Presidency, stood beside him at rallies, raised funds for Odinga's campaign, gave a speech to university students criticizing the current pro-American Kenyan government.  Since these actions were in violation of his visa, <em>"[t]he Kenyan government lodges an official protest of Obama&rsquo;s passport abuse and misconduct, and Obama&rsquo;s actions are denounced by the U.S. State Department as being in direct opposition to U. S. National Security."</em>  Incidentally, Odinga is a Muslim socialist, has ties to Al Qaeda and Muammar Qaddafi of Libya.  When he lost the election in Dec. 2007, " his followers burn women and children alive - in a Christian church where they had sought refuge. Over 1,500 people are ultimately killed in riots, and Odinga is ultimately given the position of Prime Minister to placate his radical supporters and stop further bloodshed."  <a href="http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org</a> </p>
<p>More info on the Obama/Odinga connection and Odinga himself:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=53396" rel="nofollow">http://www.kbc.co.ke</a><br />
<a href="http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_odinga_kenya/2008/06/24/107152.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsmax.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1699350,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com</a><br />
<a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4353" rel="nofollow">canadafreepress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jabberwock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabberwock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all...

Get a life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all...</p>
<p>Get a life</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This all smacks to me of someone who is just hell bent on some kind of vendetta and hoping against hope that pigs will fly!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Come on down to the Ozarks caj, and I will introduce you to the Hairy Tree Pigs (yes, they do fly)... a most horrific creature that will eat your living entrails even as you scream that &quot;The election is OVER!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This all smacks to me of someone who is just hell bent on some kind of vendetta and hoping against hope that pigs will fly!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Come on down to the Ozarks caj, and I will introduce you to the Hairy Tree Pigs (yes, they do fly)... a most horrific creature that will eat your living entrails even as you scream that "The election is OVER!!!"</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Benjamin,

You are a retard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Benjamin,</p>
<p>You are a retard.</p>
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		<title>By: caj</title>
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		<dc:creator>caj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cannot understand why any of this stuff is even flying....would you not think that ANYTHING regarding Obama&#039;s eligibility to even run for President would not have been verified and scrutinized totally beforehand???
This all smacks to me of someone who is just hell bent on some kind of vendetta and hoping against hope that pigs will fly!!!!
Obama is President elect for God&#039;s sake....would he jeopardize all that knowing there was some hidden secret somewhere……come on now!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cannot understand why any of this stuff is even flying....would you not think that ANYTHING regarding Obama's eligibility to even run for President would not have been verified and scrutinized totally beforehand???<br />
This all smacks to me of someone who is just hell bent on some kind of vendetta and hoping against hope that pigs will fly!!!!<br />
Obama is President elect for God's sake....would he jeopardize all that knowing there was some hidden secret somewhere……come on now!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,

Regarding McCain, he was born in Panama, plain and simple.  The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided that a person born abroad of two U.S. citizens was a &quot;natural born citizen&quot;; however, in 1795 that Act was repealed and the words &quot;natural born&quot; were removed.  McCain is citizen &quot;by statute&quot; and could never be considered a &quot;natural born citizen.&quot;  In Resolution 511 (Hillary and Obama among its sponsors), the Senate declared that McCain was a natural born citizen and eligible for the presidency, but this resolution has no legal effect.

It is clear that the Framers intended a different class of citizenship for those desiring to be president, hence the &quot;natural born&quot; clause.  Obama&#039;s problem is that he was a British subject at birth, which would clearly go against the intention of the Framers.  This is why they added a grandfather clause for themselves, which states . . . &quot;a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of the adoption of this Constitution.&quot;  Even though born on American soil, they were subjects of the British monarchy and knew they weren&#039;t natural born citizens.

I doubt that SCOTUS would overturn an election at this point, but I would not be surprised if they hear the Donofrio case to at least provide a clearer definition of the &quot;natural born&quot; clause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,</p>
<p>Regarding McCain, he was born in Panama, plain and simple.  The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided that a person born abroad of two U.S. citizens was a "natural born citizen"; however, in 1795 that Act was repealed and the words "natural born" were removed.  McCain is citizen "by statute" and could never be considered a "natural born citizen."  In Resolution 511 (Hillary and Obama among its sponsors), the Senate declared that McCain was a natural born citizen and eligible for the presidency, but this resolution has no legal effect.</p>
<p>It is clear that the Framers intended a different class of citizenship for those desiring to be president, hence the "natural born" clause.  Obama's problem is that he was a British subject at birth, which would clearly go against the intention of the Framers.  This is why they added a grandfather clause for themselves, which states . . . "a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of the adoption of this Constitution."  Even though born on American soil, they were subjects of the British monarchy and knew they weren't natural born citizens.</p>
<p>I doubt that SCOTUS would overturn an election at this point, but I would not be surprised if they hear the Donofrio case to at least provide a clearer definition of the "natural born" clause.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My understanding is that that provision was put in the Constitution at its inception to prevent some Tory latecomer from ascending to the presidency and undoing the Revolution--how undo was never made clear, but that was the fear. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The &quot;natural born citizen&quot; language was inserted by committee without explanation or debate.  Historians have found, however, that rumors were being circulated at the time that the Federalists wanted to place a European Prince in the Presidency.  In other words, a quasi-monarchy was being planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My understanding is that that provision was put in the Constitution at its inception to prevent some Tory latecomer from ascending to the presidency and undoing the Revolution--how undo was never made clear, but that was the fear. </p></blockquote>
<p>The "natural born citizen" language was inserted by committee without explanation or debate.  Historians have found, however, that rumors were being circulated at the time that the Federalists wanted to place a European Prince in the Presidency.  In other words, a quasi-monarchy was being planned.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And Drew&#039;s right: McCain&#039;s status has long been a settled issue. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
just for clarification, I was not arguing that, just stating that that is their argument. McCain is more of an American than I ever will be (if you measure by what he has given for his country)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And Drew's right: McCain's status has long been a settled issue. </p></blockquote>
<p>just for clarification, I was not arguing that, just stating that that is their argument. McCain is more of an American than I ever will be (if you measure by what he has given for his country)</p>
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