In advance, might I note that simply claiming I have my head up my ass may pass muster in your sewing circle, but won't exactly breach the threshold of analytical and persuasive.

I would have sent her home for the day, communicating with her parents that we had information that she was in possession of prohibited pharmaceuticals.

But I'd never be in that position anyway. I live in one of the most conservative counties in Florida, and though I'm underemployed, last year I declined to take a job at the local high school teaching science (which I'm eminently qualified for). My reason was that no way no how am I going to take a job where the local yahoos can raise hell and get me fired for teaching the basics of evolution, or how we know the earth is old, etc. It's annoying enough to read from a distance about anti-intellectuals like Limbaugh and Hannity, I don't need to be answerable to their even more ignorant hordes.

Fascinating, you lefties. Words and promises have no meaning

Of course thats only true of the left. When Bush said "No troops overseas without an exit strategy" or "No nation building", and then did exactly the opposite, well that was.... what the heck was that anyway?

Infantile bullshit.

Well, I can see how it would look that way to you, what with your head being up your ass and all that...

Of course you know, in this day and age, if I cop a feel from the babe, I just declare temporary insanity...or maybe uncontrollable environmental stress that forces me to release my inner tension in ant-social ways......and it probably flys, in this day and age.

"That would be at least a battery. If instead you ordered the babe to strip, she would either do so or not do so. If she did so, it was a voluntary act and no wrong."

This happens alot, and my eyes appreciate it. And I probably abuse my powers, especially with brunettes. ;->

"The idea in this thread that the government is getting immunity from something private citizens can't do is not very accurate. We are talking about the government's use or misuse of authority that private citizens do not have."

Agreed. This is what I am trying to get at. I think my query is correct. If a private school official did the same thing as the public school official in this case, would the private official have the same defense? I think not.

Infantile bullshit.

"combined with a massive increase in the size and cost of the federal government."

Absolutely true, and why he lost the confidence of conservatives and libertarians, and why the Republican party lost its power.

"Obama, on the other hand, has yet to take office."

Fascinating, you lefties. Words and promises have no meaning. Fascinating diversionary tactic.

The same is true of Jessica's Law. I'd rather see steps taken in my state to have open judicial retention votes in the Legislature. If we had judges with backbone and common sense, we wouldn't need Jessica's Law.

Are you seriously arguing that there need to be laws to prevent school official from ordering a thirteen year old girl to undress? Forgive me, but this is insanity.

I find it insane to go ask a bunch of judges to write school policy. We do have laws that place special requirements on law enforcement when dealing with minors. We do have laws on corporal punishment in school.

One of the problems with judge-made rules is that they are usually case specific, so even if this student wins this case, we won't have a rule in place when the contraband is a gun or the concealment was observed by school officials. If she loses the case, does that mean its acceptable?

If I lost my mind and walked up to some babe on the beach, ripped her suit off and copped a feel, wouldn't that be covered under different law than the 4th??

That would be at least a battery. If instead you ordered the babe to strip, she would either do so or not do so. If she did so, it was a voluntary act and no wrong. The idea in this thread that the government is getting immunity from something private citizens can't do is not very accurate. We are talking about the government's use or misuse of authority that private citizens do not have.

If you spank the babe, it's battery and you can be arrested criminally or sued civilly. Same rule for teachers?

We're all waiting with baited breath to find out who YOU voted for (this should be good).

I laugh everytime I see someone blame the left or right exclusively for encroachment on personal liberties. Each side has their favorite amendment; personally I think all of them are pretty good.

"One question I have: If strip-searching students is so unpopular, why haven't the legislatures passed laws forbidding this practice?"

Are you seriously arguing that there need to be laws to prevent school official from ordering a thirteen year old girl to undress? Forgive me, but this is insanity.

The current government is plenty empowered (and prepared under Obama to increase this power) to take more and more of our resources (with little to show for historical confiscation), to do what they want with impunity......and plies a leftist portion of society that behave like lambs, naively believing that government is benevolent, and will "do good." The track record is dismal.

Well Drew, as the right cheered, Bush launched a massive and fairly successful assault on the constitution, combined with a massive increase in the size and cost of the federal government.

Obama, on the other hand, has yet to take office.

Perhaps you should try to get a little firmer grounding in reality. And please, stop claiming to be non-partisan.

Can I safely assume you voted for him? On what basis? His actions, or his words? Lord knows he had absolutely no legislative track record commensurate with the office he is about to take that one might have evaluated. So listening to his words were the only option.

So do words matter? Or not?

And I'm dead serious, have you been paying attention to the gattling gun like press conferences?? Have you been paying attention to the words? Unless you think he is bald faced lying......that must account for something.

Are you insane? No. Oblivious, or amazingly trusting without cause. Yes.