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	<title>Comments on: Supreme Court Upholds Virtual Child Porn Law</title>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have any trouble guessing the 2 losing votes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone have any trouble guessing the 2 losing votes?</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: The issue is addressed in the decision and the answer is, &#039;Yes&#039;. Selling oregano while claiming it is dope is a felony.
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...The pandering and solicitation made unlawful by the Act are sorts of inchoate crimes—acts looking toward the commission of another crime, the delivery of child pornography. As with other inchoate crimes—attempt and conspiracy, for example—impossibility of completing the crime because the facts were not as the defendant believed is not a defense. “All courts are in agreement that what is usually referred to as ‘factual impossibility’ is no defense to a charge of attempt.” 2 W. LaFave, Substantive Criminal Law §11.5(a)(2) (2d ed. 2003). (The author gives as an example &lt;em&gt;“the intended sale of an illegal drug [that] actually involved a different substance.”&lt;/em&gt; Ibid.) See also United States v. Hamrick, 43 F. 3d 877, 885 (CA4 1995) (en banc) (holding that impossibility is no defense to attempt and citing the holdings of four other Circuits); ALI, Model Penal Code §5.01, Comment (in attempt prosecutions “the defendant’s conduct should be measured according to the circumstances as he believes them to be, rather than the circumstances as they may have existed in fact”).[Emphasis added]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pages 14-15 of the decision, which can be found (as a 47-page PDF) at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-694.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supreme Court website&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: The issue is addressed in the decision and the answer is, 'Yes'. Selling oregano while claiming it is dope is a felony.</p>
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...The pandering and solicitation made unlawful by the Act are sorts of inchoate crimes—acts looking toward the commission of another crime, the delivery of child pornography. As with other inchoate crimes—attempt and conspiracy, for example—impossibility of completing the crime because the facts were not as the defendant believed is not a defense. “All courts are in agreement that what is usually referred to as ‘factual impossibility&rsquo; is no defense to a charge of attempt.” 2 W. LaFave, Substantive Criminal Law §11.5(a)(2) (2d ed. 2003). (The author gives as an example <em>“the intended sale of an illegal drug [that] actually involved a different substance.”</em> Ibid.) See also United States v. Hamrick, 43 F. 3d 877, 885 (CA4 1995) (en banc) (holding that impossibility is no defense to attempt and citing the holdings of four other Circuits); ALI, Model Penal Code §5.01, Comment (in attempt prosecutions “the defendant&rsquo;s conduct should be measured according to the circumstances as he believes them to be, rather than the circumstances as they may have existed in fact”).[Emphasis added]</p></blockquote>
<p>Pages 14-15 of the decision, which can be found (as a 47-page PDF) at the <a href="http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-694.pdf" rel="nofollow">Supreme Court website</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_upholds_virtual_child_porn_law/comment-page-1/#comment-370596</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What puzzles me is: if &quot;bogus&quot; child porn is passing as or substituting for the real thing, why on earth would you set up incentives that discourage that kind of substitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What puzzles me is: if "bogus" child porn is passing as or substituting for the real thing, why on earth would you set up incentives that discourage that kind of substitution?</p>
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		<title>By: mq</title>
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		<dc:creator>mq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray, now if we could just get a legal definition of pornography we&#039;ll be all set!

(crickets chirp)

What, was that asking too much?

Seriously, I&#039;m no advocate of child porn or the people who like to view it, but I would like to see something a but more substantial than &quot;well this person was maybe interested in obtaining something that looked like child porn&quot; before convicting that person of a crime. I certainly need something more than &quot;well this person was maybe interested in obtaining something that looked like child porn but was in fact not child porn.&quot; Slippery slope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray, now if we could just get a legal definition of pornography we'll be all set!</p>
<p>(crickets chirp)</p>
<p>What, was that asking too much?</p>
<p>Seriously, I'm no advocate of child porn or the people who like to view it, but I would like to see something a but more substantial than "well this person was maybe interested in obtaining something that looked like child porn" before convicting that person of a crime. I certainly need something more than "well this person was maybe interested in obtaining something that looked like child porn but was in fact not child porn." Slippery slope.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe,
   I think you missed the point of this topic.  This law isn&#039;t punishing people for the abuse of minors, it&#039;s punishing people for marketing adults, or virtual representations, as children in a pornographic context.  This does not cover any pornography involving actual children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe,<br />
   I think you missed the point of this topic.  This law isn't punishing people for the abuse of minors, it's punishing people for marketing adults, or virtual representations, as children in a pornographic context.  This does not cover any pornography involving actual children.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Child pornography is dangerous for a number of reasons, not the least of which is how developmentally challenged sexually abused children are.  Laws should absolutely protect young children from pedophiles and people who seek to abuse children sexually.  Many of those children abused go on to abuse others and even go on to a life of crime.  There needs to be constitutionality to the law, but protecting the kids in this instance is vital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child pornography is dangerous for a number of reasons, not the least of which is how developmentally challenged sexually abused children are.  Laws should absolutely protect young children from pedophiles and people who seek to abuse children sexually.  Many of those children abused go on to abuse others and even go on to a life of crime.  There needs to be constitutionality to the law, but protecting the kids in this instance is vital.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Williams – Master of None</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/supreme_court_upholds_virtual_child_porn_law/comment-page-1/#comment-370345</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Williams – Master of None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Supreme Court Upholds Ban on Virtual Child Pornography...&lt;/strong&gt;

Child pornography is obviously a disgusting evil, but the Supreme Court&#039;s 7-2 decision to uphold a ban on virtual child pornography seems troubling on the face. Consider the nuances of the ruling: The ruling upheld part of a 2003 law......</description>
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<p>Child pornography is obviously a disgusting evil, but the Supreme Court's 7-2 decision to uphold a ban on virtual child pornography seems troubling on the face. Consider the nuances of the ruling: The ruling upheld part of a 2003 law......</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s more like &quot;conspiracy to possess&quot;, rather than actual possession?  I wonder, is it illegal to sell oregano, if you&#039;re telling people it&#039;s actually marijuana?  Is it illegal to buy oregano when someone is telling you it&#039;s marijuana?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it's more like "conspiracy to possess", rather than actual possession?  I wonder, is it illegal to sell oregano, if you're telling people it's actually marijuana?  Is it illegal to buy oregano when someone is telling you it's marijuana?</p>
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		<title>By: versicherung</title>
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		<dc:creator>versicherung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like child pornography.todays child will build our future so we should keep children far from this porn for their proper develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't like child pornography.todays child will build our future so we should keep children far from this porn for their proper develop.</p>
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