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		<title>Advice from the Saudis on Afghanistan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this morning&#8217;s Washington Post Prince Turki al-Faisal of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, former director general of their intelligence service and also their former ambassador to the United States offers President Obama some advice on how to proceed in Afghanistan with which I find I am in almost complete agreement.  His advice consists [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fadvice_from_the_saudis_on_afghanistan%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fadvice_from_the_saudis_on_afghanistan%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Turki-Al-Faisal-05.jpg"><img style="border: 2px solid black; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Turki-Al-Faisal-05.jpg" alt="Turki-Al-Faisal-05" title="Turki-Al-Faisal-05" width="250" height="212" class="alignright size-full wp-image-42708" /></a>In <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/08/AR2009100803805.html">this morning&#8217;s Washington Post Prince Turki al-Faisal</a> of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, former director general of their intelligence service and also their former ambassador to the United States offers President Obama some advice on how to proceed in Afghanistan with which I find I am in almost complete agreement.  His advice consists of six action items:</p>
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<li>There is no viable opposition to Karzai in Afghanistan.  He is a fact.  Deal with it.</li>
<li>Concentrate on fighting foreign terrorists and build bridges with the Taliban.</li>
<li>Fix the Durand Line.</li>
<li>Meet with the security and intelligence departments of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Russia, China, and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to devise ways of eliminating Al Qaeda&#8217;s leadership.  Nobody has more on the line than the Saudis in that battle and Russia and China are at greater risk than we are from them.</li>
<li>Exert influence to induce Pakistan and India to resolve the matter of Kashmir.</li>
<li>Use measures similar to those used in Turkey (in which the U. S. bought the entire crop directly from farmers, something I&#8217;ve been suggesting, and allowed them to plant alternative crops).</li>
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<p>Read the whole thing.  I&#8217;m hoping that John Burgess will weigh in on this.  John, are you there?</p>
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		<title>Saudi Family Sues Djinn in Sharia Court</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Saudi family has filed a lawsuit against a djinn for harassment in a sharia court:
A family in Saudi Arabia has taken a genie to court, alleging theft and harassment, according to local media.
The lawsuit filed in Shariah court accuses the genie of leaving them threatening voicemails, stealing their cell phones and hurling rocks at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fsaudi_family_sues_djinn_in_sharia_court%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fsaudi_family_sues_djinn_in_sharia_court%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>A Saudi family <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/13/saudia.arabia.genie.suit/index.html">has filed a lawsuit </a>against a djinn for harassment in a sharia court:<br />
<blockquote>A family in Saudi Arabia has taken a genie to court, alleging theft and harassment, according to local media.</p>
<p>The lawsuit filed in Shariah court accuses the genie of leaving them threatening voicemails, stealing their cell phones and hurling rocks at them when they leave their house at night, said Al-Watan newspaper.</p>
<p>An investigation was under way, local court officials said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have to verify the truthfulness of this case despite the difficulty of doing so,&#8221; Sheikh Amr Al Salmi, the head of the court, told Al-Watan. &#8220;What makes this case and complaint more interesting is that it wasn&#8217;t filed by just one person. Every member of the family is part of this case.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I admit that this case has actually proved to be a bit of embarrassment for me.  I&#8217;ve read portions of the Qu&#8217;ran, but I had no idea that there was a sura devoted to djinn or that they played a role in Muslim theology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not aware as to whether such cases are taken seriously in Saudi Arabia, though it appears at first glance that it is.  Here in the United States, there are a number of people who believe in angels, demons, etc., and believe it or not, lawsuits are filed against such creatures.  These are, obviously, routinely dismissed.  My personal favorite lawsuit of this kind is <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_ex_rel._Gerald_Mayo_v._Satan_and_His_Staff"><em>Mayo v. Satan and His Staff</em></a>, in which a suit against Satan was denied on the grounds of lack of personal jurisdiction and failure to provide instructions to serve process.  Funny as that is, this opinion is now routinely cited in judicial opinions regarding jurisdiction and I read it on two separate occasions in law school.</p>
<p>(link via <a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/13/morning-links-216/">Radley Balko</a>)</p>
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		<title>The Pope Picks Our Ambassadors Now?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I glossed over yesterday&#8217;s news that the Vatican blocked Caroline Kennedy&#8217;s appointment as U.S. ambassador for a variety of reasons.  Regular commenter Tlaloc emailed me, though, making a good point:
[T]he Vatican refuses to accept any ambassador who is not explicitly pro-life including anti-ESC research (such as Doug Kmiec).  Various voices on the right have praised [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fthe_pope_picks_our_ambassadors_now%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fthe_pope_picks_our_ambassadors_now%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-34589" href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_pope_picks_our_ambassadors_now/caroline_kennedy_ambassador_vatican/"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-34589" style="border: 2px solid black; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" title="caroline_kennedy_ambassador_vatican" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/caroline_kennedy_ambassador_vatican-300x187.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>I glossed over yesterday&#8217;s <a title="Vatican blocks Caroline Kennedy appointment as US ambassador The Vatican has blocked the appointment of Caroline Kennedy as US ambassador, according to reports." href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/5138135/Vatican-blocks-Caroline-Kennedy-appointment-as-US-ambassador.html">news</a> that the Vatican blocked Caroline Kennedy&#8217;s appointment as U.S. ambassador for a variety of reasons.  Regular commenter Tlaloc emailed me, though, making a good point:</p>
<blockquote><p>[T]he Vatican refuses to accept any ambassador who is not explicitly pro-life including anti-ESC research (such as Doug Kmiec).  Various voices on the right have praised them for this principled stand.  But if we accept this criteria doesn&#8217;t it set a bad precedent?  What happens when China demands our next ambassador be an avowed Maoist?  Or Saudi Arabia demand someone who openly accepts sharia law (up to an including the whole acid in the face for uppity girls)?</p>
<p>Us Ambassadors are supposed to represent us, not their host country. Obviously we should make sure that our ambassadors do not inflame their hosts by their mere presence but that&#8217;s a world away from them being required to openly affirm allegiance to the host&#8217;s ideals.  Or to put it another way, if the Vatican has the right to demand a vocal pro-lifer be our ambassador to them can&#8217;t we demand their ambassador to us be a vocal pro-choicer?  And where does such petty brinksmanship get us except a total break down of diplomacy?</p></blockquote>
<p>The right-leaning blogs <em><a title="Vatican blocks Caroline Kennedy appointment as US ambassador The Vatican has blocked the appointment of Caroline Kennedy as US ambassador, according to reports." href="http://www.memeorandum.com/090411/p18#a090411p18">memeorandum</a></em> links on this one are universally praiseworthy.</p>
<p>RedState&#8217;s <a title="Another pro-choicer rejected for Vatican ambassadorship." href="http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/04/11/another-pro-choicer-rejected-for-vatican-ambassadorship/">Moe Lane</a> is &#8220;curious about how many times this administration plans to insult the Roman Catholic Church.&#8221;  His colleague <a title="An Easter Gift From the Vatican…" href="http://www.redstate.com/mbecker908/2009/04/11/an-easter-gift-from-the-vatican/">mbecker908</a> dubs this &#8220;an Easter gift from the Vatican&#8221; and adds, &#8221; Good for the Vatican.  This pentecostal Baptist boy (OK, old boy) is standing with the Pope on this one.&#8221;  He agrees with Lane that &#8220;being so tone deaf as to openly and forthrightly make an effort to offend the Vatican is off the charts.&#8221;</p>
<p><a title="Caroline Kennedy isn't acceptable as an ambassador due to her position on abortion. " href="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/04/isnt-this-strange.html">Dan Riehl</a> observes, &#8220;Obama just got done going out of his way to inform Islam he had no intention of insulting or threatening it as a religion. So why the continued insults to Catholicism? It&#8217;s as if he doesn&#8217;t care about it as a religion at all.&#8221; Even <a title="Vatican has blocked the appointment of Caroline Kennedy as US ambassador" href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/12/link-mess-2/">Michael van der Galien</a>, a staunch moderate, agrees that, &#8220;Instead of giving the Church the impression its opinions do not matter, the Obama administration is wise to treat it as it treats <em>enemies of the United States</em>: with respect and understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dan and Michael have the right take on this.  If we&#8217;re going to have an ambassador to the Vatican (and I&#8217;m sympathetic to <a title="Vatican rejects Caroline Kennedy as U.S. ambassador " href="http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2009/04/vatican-rejects-caroline-kennedy-as-us.html">Michael Stickings</a>&#8216; view that we probably shouldn&#8217;t) then it behooves us to respect their sensibilities when selecting our representatives to them. It&#8217;s just good diplomacy.</p>
<p>Now, Tlaloc is right that our ambassador is supposed to represent us, not the country to which he&#8217;s sent.  <a title="Defying The Vatican" href="http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=7860">Ron Chusid</a> makes that point as well.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Vatican might not like it, but support for both abortion and embryonic stem cell research is the position of the Obama administration and both are legal in this country. What if the Vatican were to also demand an ambassador who believes in creationism instead of evolution?</p>
<p>What of other areas where countries disagree with the views of appointed ambassadors? Do Muslim nations object to non-Muslim ambassadors from the west?  Should we go along if one were to insist that we only appoint an ambassador who opposes the existence of Israel?</p>
<p>During the cold war it would have been ludicrous for Communist nations to reject western ambassadors who did not support Communism. Imagine if the Chinese had refused overtures from Richard Nixon to begin diplomatic relations because Nixon and his potential ambassadors were not Maoists.</p></blockquote>
<p>The difference, of course, is that, despite the legal fiction to the contrary, the Vatican isn&#8217;t really a country; it&#8217;s a church with a big yard.  States, even those that are theocracies (Iran) or close to it (Saudi Arabia), have traditionally operated on the principle of sovereign equality.  They either have diplomatic relations with a given state or not, on a take it or leave it basis.  Not so much with churches.</p>
<p>Now, again, that may be a reason to not send an ambassador.  For most of our history, <a title="United States Ambassador to the Holy See" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_the_Holy_See">we didn&#8217;t</a>.  Ronald Reagan was the first to have a formal ambassador.  But if we&#8217;re going to have diplomatic relations with a church, it only makes sense not to go out of our way to offend it.</p>
<p>The problem with Kmiec and Kennedy, as I understand it, is not so much that they&#8217;re pro-abortion but rather that they&#8217;re pro-abortion <em>Roman Catholics</em>.  Sending them as our ambassador to the Holy See is the equivalent of sending a Soviet defector as ambassador to Moscow during the Cold War or sending an Orthodox Jew as ambassador to Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>Former Gitmo Inmate Now al Qaeda Leader</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been quite a bit of blogospheric reaction to the news that two former inmates at Gitmo appeared in an al Qaeda video:

Two men released from the US &#8220;war on terror&#8221; prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba have appeared in a video posted on a jihadist website, the SITE monitoring service reported. One of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fformer_gitmo_inmate_now_al_qaeda_leader%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fformer_gitmo_inmate_now_al_qaeda_leader%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>There has been quite a bit of <a title="Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video" href="http://www.memeorandum.com/090124/p36#a090124p36">blogospheric reaction</a> to the <a title="Two ex-Guantanamo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video" href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hZfIcWnHqBz4kQR90lC_pXaHeW4Q">news</a> that two former inmates at Gitmo appeared in an al Qaeda video:</p>
<blockquote>
<div id="attachment_30562" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-30562" href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/former_gitmo_inmate_now_al_qaeda_leader/prisoner372/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-30562" title="Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri Photo" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/prisoner372-300x206.jpg" alt="Former detainee at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri (Formerly Prisoner 372)" width="300" height="206" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Former detainee at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri (Formerly Prisoner 372)</p></div>
<p>Two men released from the US &#8220;war on terror&#8221; prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba have appeared in a video posted on a jihadist website, the SITE monitoring service reported. One of the two former inmates, a Saudi man identified as Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shahri, or prisoner number 372, has been elevated to the senior ranks of Al-Qaeda in Yemen, a US counter-terrorism official told AFP. Three other men appear in the video, including Abu al-Hareth Muhammad al-Oufi, identified as an Al-Qaeda field commander. SITE later said he was prisoner No. 333.A Pentagon spokesman, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, on Saturday declined to confirm the SITE information.  &#8220;We remain concerned about ex-Guantanamo detainees who have re-affiliated with terrorist organizations after their departure,&#8221; said Gordon.  &#8220;We will continue to work with the international community to mitigate the threat they pose,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>On the video, al-Shihri is seen sitting with three other men before a flag of the Islamic State of Iraq, the front for Al-Qaeda in Iraq. &#8220;By Allah, imprisonment only increased our persistence in our principles for which we went out, did jihad for, and were imprisoned for,&#8221; al-Shihri was quoted as saying.</p>
<p>Al-Shiri was transferred from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia in 2007, the US counter-terrorism official said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously, if these two men were still being held prisoner indefinitely, they would have had a hard time making this tape.  And, if they&#8217;re in fact senior leaders and commanders in al Qaeda, it would seem just as obvious that they should in fact still be locked up.  (Note:  A <a title="About that Presidential Executive Order on Interrogations…" href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/01/24/about-that-presidential-executive-order-on-interrogations/">couple</a> of <a title="a detainee released last year has wound up as Al Qaeda’s #2 man in Yemen, and today we learn that two Gitmo detainees that were released have now appeared in an Al Qaeda propaganda recruitment video. " href="http://msunderestimated.com/2009/01/25/geraldo-vs-glenn-beck-on-gitmo-video/?disqus_reply=5530369#comment-5530369">bloggers</a> have treated this news as as additional piece of evidence piled upon Wednesday&#8217;s <a title="Freed by the U.S., Saudi Becomes a Qaeda Chief " href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/middleeast/23yemen.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=all">NYT</a> story &#8220;Freed by the U.S., Saudi Becomes a Qaeda Chief.&#8221;  In actuality, said chief is the above-pictured al-Shahri.)</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing: Former prisoners in our criminal justice system are let out all the time, either because they&#8217;ve completed their sentence, earned parole, a jury couldn&#8217;t be persuaded to convict them, or various other reasons.  A sizable portion of those people then go on to commit other crimes.   We nonetheless have not adopted a policy of keeping everyone who comes through the doors of our prison system locked up indefinitely as a precautionary measure.</p>
<p>Are al Qaeda terrorists different than American citizens suspected of committing crimes?  They are.  We&#8217;ve got more discretion at our disposal under international law than in our domestic system.   We can hold al Qaeda commanders caught on the field of battle &#8220;for the duration&#8221; of hostilities which, theoretically, is forever since this is a &#8220;long war&#8221; with no foreseeable end.  But, under the terms of international treaties that we&#8217;ve not only committed ourselves but led the way in negotiating, we have to provide some minimal level of due process establishing that these people are who we say they are.  Rather clearly, we were unable to do that in the case of these two individuals.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the outcome here.  I&#8217;d rather have these two guys (and the numerous others Jim Hoft links to at the bottom of <a title="2 Former &quot;Rehabilitated&quot; Gitmo Grads Appear in Al-Qaeda Movie " href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/2-former-gitmo-grads-appear-in-al-qaeda.html">this post</a>) still under the control of the American military.  But not at the price of a system that violates our treaty obligations and keeps hundreds of innocents locked up simply because we can&#8217;t distinguish the good guys from the bad guys and therefore treat them all like the latter.</p>
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		<title>Crime Pays</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Saudis have reportedly paid a $3 million ransom for their supertanker that&#8217;s been held by Somali pirates for the last several months:
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<blockquote><p>MOGADISHU, Somalia — A Saudi-owned supertanker held by pirates off the coast of Somalia for two months has been released for a ransom of $3 million, according to one of the pirates and residents of Xarardheere, a pirate town on the Somali coast near where the tanker was being held.</p>
<p>The supertanker, about the length of an American Nimitz class aircraft carrier, was the largest ship known to have been seized by pirates, and it was fully loaded with two million barrels of oil.</p>
<p>The pirates were due to leave the ship after the money, paid by the ship’s owners, was received by the pirates on Friday, according to the pirates and residents, who later said that the ship had moved away from the coast where it had been anchored since November.
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<p>This is actually a pretty good deal for the Saudis.  It&#8217;s certainly better than the $25 million the pirates were originally asking and the vessel alone is probably worth that.</p>
<p>However, if you subsidize something, you&#8217;ll get more of it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
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Since this is my last entry in the debate, I&#8217;d like to thank Bernard Finel for what I think has been an excellent, interesting, and informative debate.  I&#8217;ve accomplished what I set out to do when I was moved to propose this debate:  I&#8217;ve established that complete disengagement with the Middle East (the [...]]]></description>
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Since this is my last entry in the debate, I&#8217;d like to thank Bernard Finel for what I think has been an excellent, interesting, and informative debate.  I&#8217;ve accomplished what I set out to do when I was moved to propose this debate:  I&#8217;ve established that complete disengagement with the Middle East (the resolution of the debate) would be imprudent and Bernard agrees with me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Engagement and disengagement are not binary values. My call is not for zero presence, but rather for a diminished visibility of our role in the region
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<p>That&#8217;s not what I drew from <a href="http://acus.org/new_atlanticist/counterterrorism-strategy-reboot">Bernard&#8217;s article</a> that prompted my suggestion nor is it what I drew from <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_affirmative/">his affirmative case</a>.  I still don&#8217;t have a clear idea of what Bernard is proposing.  I do see that he&#8217;s dissatisfied with things as they are, a view I share.  </p>
<p>I also believe that he and I agree that we should de-emphasize our military commitment to the Middle East somewhat.  Where we appear to differ is in what the nature of our continuing engagement with the Middle East should be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll now consider some of Bernard&#8217;s arguments <i>seriatim</i>.</p>
<p><b>Oil</b></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s dispense with the oil issue first since it&#8217;s the easiest.  The <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/library/oil-spreadsheet.xlsx">spreadsheet of oil prices</a> that Bernard produced is highly informative but rather than proving his case it proves mine.  Policies aren&#8217;t arrived at by averages but by events.  The price spike of 1979-1980 was produced by the deteriorating security situation in the Middle East <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_negative/">I sketched in my argument</a>. The price spike of 1986 was caused by the so-called Tanker War during the Iran-Iraq War.  That each of those was followed by an increase in U. S. military involvement in the Middle cannot mean that they were caused by that involvement although that increased involvement may have had increased hostility to the United States as a secondary effect.  I think the message is rather clear:  if the states of the Middle East want us to reduce our military engagement </p>
<p>There is currently no way for us to avoid dependence on oil.  Even if we produced every single drop of oil that we consumed, since oil is fungible, the Gulf states are major oil producers, and they are the lowest cost producers <b>we would still be dependent on Gulf oil</b>.  An oil price shock would affect us under those circumstances as much as it would now.    The quantified effects of <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/arabian-gauntlet.htm">closing the Straits of Hormuz</a> are estimated to be around $200 billion per year, i.e. more than the cost of the military engagement that Bernard has cited.</p>
<p>There is no alternative to oil at hand and will not be for the foreseeable future.  There is no production-ready electric car, there&#8217;s no reason to believe that a practical one will be producible in production quantities at a reasonable cost for the foreseeable future, and if neither of those were true we&#8217;d still remain dependent on oil for the foreseeable future for two reasons.</p>
<p>It rarely makes discussions of oil independence but even if a production electric car were ready it will take twenty years for us to turn over the complete oil-burning vehicle fleet.  That&#8217;s a matter of mathematics and economics <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3896">as well as logistics</a>.  100 million vehicles at $40,000 a pop (on average) cost $4 trillion.  <b>If</b> you can produce the batteries in those quantities which nobody knows how to do yet.  A price shock in oil would be an economic catastrophe for us for every year of those twenty years.</p>
<p>And even that&#8217;s not the whole of it.  Our current electrical grid doesn&#8217;t have the excess capacity to handle the additional load required to recharge all those electric vehicles, it will take us decades to update our grid, and it will cost trillions more.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s a parochial view.  Our investment in stability in the commerce in oil through the Gulf maintains price stability not only for us but for our European and Asian allies and, equally importantly, for every poor country in the world that is far less willing to pay for turning over its vehicle fleet or upgrading its electric grid than we are.  Our investment keeps those countries stable and the world at peace.</p>
<p><b>Terrorism and security interests</b></p>
<p>There&#8217;s little reason to believe that disengagement from the Middle East will result in a reduction of the threat from terrorism.  As my <a href="http://zenpundit.com/?p=2957">good friend Mark Safranski</a> put it, that&#8217;s not merely counter-intuitive, it&#8217;s lacking in real world evidence.  Terrorists have their own intrinsic motivations; they aren&#8217;t merely responding to our actions although those may be among the explanations they present for their actions.</p>
<p>The most dangerous, awful anti-American regimes in the world aren&#8217;t those with whom we have high levels of engagement, they&#8217;re those, like Iran and North Korea, with whom our engagement is very limited.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t disengagement that will lead to a more positive view of America and Americans but more engagement as the polling data I&#8217;ve linked to suggests.  Here&#8217;s an additional example.</p>
<p>Recent <a href="http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/12/a_belgian_victory_over_al_qaed.php">arrests in Belgium</a> have rounded up members of a terrorist ring who apparently were planning an attack in Brussels.  Belgium hasn&#8217;t been part of the coalition in Iraq and its military involvement in Afghanistan has been nominal.  Both its footprint and its fingerprint in the Middle East are quite small.  Nonetheless the Belgians are a target for terrorist activities.  </p>
<p><b>Israel</b></p>
<p>Israel doesn&#8217;t figure prominently in my own calculus of American interests in the Middle East and I wish that the nature of the relationship between Israel and the United States were somewhat different than it is now.  Howsomever it remains that Israel is our closest ally in the Middle East, there is a substantial constituency in the United States that would render major disengagement from Israel politically impossible, and I have little reason to believe that such disengagement would produce more security for us, the Israelis, for the Middle East, or for the world.  In particular I don&#8217;t see how major disengagement from the Middle East would motivate the Israelis to arrive at a settlement with the Palestinians nor do I see how relinquishing our strongest bargaining chips&mdash;our engagement with the Middle East&mdash;would strengthen our hand in achieving such a settlement.</p>
<p><b>Increased engagement</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_rebuttal/">Bernard wrote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Our embassies are massive concrete structures, set back from the road, with triple rings of security barriers. Our businesses operate behind barbed wire and are protected by private security. Americans travel in armed convoys and stay in secluded hotels that also feature fortress-like precautions.
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<p>Does that describe Egypt, Jordan, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates?  Or many other countries in the Middle East and North Africa?  Perhaps someone better informed than I could comment.  </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a description of Iraq.  We can&#8217;t undo the harm to our long term interests in the Middle East that our invasion of Iraq has caused.  Nor am I prepared to argue that on net the invasion was a good thing.</p>
<p>Over the next several years we&#8217;ll be removing something like half of the troops we have in Iraq which I support as the security situation there has clearly improved substantially.  </p>
<p>Bernard scoffed at the possibility of trade with the Middle East.  Let&#8217;s take a single example:  Jordan.  Currently the <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/trade/issues/bilateral/countries/jordan/index_en.htm">European Union</a> does something like $4 billion per year in exports to Jordan.  The U. S. does something like $650 million, only about 6% of the total.  It certainly looks to me as though there&#8217;s a market there and room for improvement on our part.  There&#8217;s a similar pattern throughout the Middle East and North Africa.</p>
<p>Emphasis on trade liberalization and increased trade with the Middle East will not only improve the people who live there&#8217;s opinion of us but it will improve their way of life, making them more prosperous and happier.  And that in turn will make all of us more secure.</p>
<p><b>Conclusion</b></p>
<p>The reason I proposed a debate on the subject was simply because the format of a debate calls for the burden of proof to fall on the affirmative.  That&#8217;s not a trick; that&#8217;s the definition.  Debating requires the affirmative to meet the burden of proof.  I&#8217;m not surprised that Bernard doesn&#8217;t much care for the format because the real world evidence points the other way.</p>
<p>In the final analysis it actually appears to me that Bernard and I have many points of agreement:  we shouldn&#8217;t disengage from the Middle East completely, our military engagement with the region is too great.  I see no way to reduce our &#8220;fingerprint&#8221; on the region for the foreseeable future and think that our best interests lie in increased engagement.  That&#8217;s our historical experience and that&#8217;s what the opinions of people all over the world support.</p>
<p>We need to engage with the world rather than withdraw from it and the Middle East is no exception to that but the engagement should not be so heavily in the form of military engagement.  More butter, fewer guns.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Finel</dc:creator>
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Question 1 (Finel):  You write: “I believe the evidence speaks clearly: the increased U. S. engagement in the region has overall been a stabilizing force.”  What is the precise benefit to the United States of this increased stability?  Are American interests in the region more or less secure today as a result? [...]]]></description>
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<strong>Question 1 (Finel):  You write: “I believe the evidence speaks clearly: the increased U. S. engagement in the region has overall been a stabilizing force.”  What is the precise benefit to the United States of this increased stability?  Are American interests in the region more or less secure today as a result?  Or is this purely a altruistic argument on your part?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Schuler</strong>:  I won&#8217;t deny that my motives are partly altruistic but that&#8217;s not the only reason we should want stability in the Middle East.  Avoidance of oil price shocks doesn&#8217;t just benefit the United States but every country that buys oil whether they&#8217;re in South America, Africa, or Asia.  Some of the governments in these places are holding on very tenuously as it is.  An oil price shock could send them over the edge.  We recently saw risks of that in Pakistan.</p>
<p>Pakistan recently applied for a World Bank loan because of the high price of oil.  The significantly higher price spike caused by an interruption in Gulf oil might well have sent them over the edge.  That presents a very real direct security threat to us.  The Pakistani government is bad enough at preventing terrorist training camps from operating in the country as it is; a failure of that government would make matters even worse.  Additionally, our supply lines for Afghanistan run through Pakistan.  A collapse of the Pakistani government would be a very bad thing for our troops there.</p>
<p>Repeat that in Central America, South America, and Africa and you&#8217;d aggravate the poverty and misery in the countries in those areas.  People in poor, chaotic places can be driven to great lengths.  They resort to piracy as in Somalia or drug production and trafficking as in Afghanistan.  They go where they think they might find work or relief—here, France, Italy, the United Kingdom.  That places strains on our health and educational systems among others, not to mention social stresses.</p>
<p>And people living in prosperous countries make better customers for American goods and services than people in poor, chaotic countries do.  Improving security is a fine example of doing good while doing well.</p>
<p><strong>Question 2 (Finel): You quote from Sayyid Qutb.  What evidence can you produce to show that Qutbism is followed by anything more than a tiny sliver of the population of the Middle East? </strong></p>
<p><strong>Schuler:</strong> A recent <a href="http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf">Pew poll</a> suggested that roughly 8% of Muslims living in the United States expressed opinions which I&#8217;d interpret as radical Islamist ones.  The number of foreign-born Muslims, particularly Arabs, who expressed such views among the whole was somewhat higher.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if 10% of the population of the Middle East had such views.  That&#8217;s tens of millions of people.</p>
<p>The membership of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood">Muslim Brotherhood</a> is certainly estimated to be in the millions.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any doubt that his teachings are very influential.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain whether the absolute numbers are particularly important.  There weren&#8217;t a lot of Japanese who believed that Japan should attack the United States sixty years ago and only a very small number actually took part in the attack.  We engaged in total war against the Japanese anyway.  My point is emphatically not that we should be engaging in total war but that a relatively small number of people can create a lot of misery.</p>
<p><strong>Question 3 (Finel): How would you guarantee the security of “American tourists, American products, American students, and, especially, American businessmen”?  Which of the security measures undertaken after the 1998 embassy bombings would you reverse in order to encourage greater contact between these groups and the people of Middle Eastern countries?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Schuler</strong>:  It&#8217;s certainly a problem and I&#8217;m open to suggestions.  I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m advocating reversing any of the post-1998 measures.  I&#8217;m not advocating a sudden flood of Americans but a gradual increase.  American businesses aren&#8217;t doing as much business as they could be in the Middle East and North Africa and real as opposed to perceived security concerns probably aren&#8217;t the most important reason for that.</p>
<p>Clearly, some places are riskier than others.  Iraq would be pretty darned risky.  However, to the best of my knowledge there&#8217;s only been one murder of an American in Jordan over the period of the last 20 years.  There are all sorts of places in the Middle East and North African where American tourists and businessmen aren&#8217;t in considerably more danger than British or French tourists or businessmen and the British and French are doing quite a bit of business in the Middle East.</p>
<p>It would also help if there weren&#8217;t exaggerated and mistaken impressions given in our own media.  For example, the early reports of the attacks in Mumbai last month emphasized that the terrorists were after Americans and Britons.  Later reports tended to refute that.  There&#8217;s never been a definitive answer to whether that was the case and our media accounts have left us with the impression that Americans were particular targets whether that was the case or not.  That makes it hard to assess the actual risks.</p>
<p>The most recent <a href="http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/256.pdf">Pew Survey of Global Attitudes</a> found that people in other countries who had more personal exposure to America and Americans were also more likely to have a favorable attitude towards America and Americans.  We aren&#8217;t going to improve our security situation by barricading ourselves within our borders.  Ignorance and isolation are our enemies not our friends.</p>
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BERNARD FINEL: Obviously, it is impossible to prove a hypothetical, so there is no direct evidence to support my contention that reducing our visibility will reduce radicalism.  Indeed, I [...]]]></description>
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<p>BERNARD FINEL: Obviously, it is impossible to prove a hypothetical, so there is no direct evidence to support my contention that reducing our visibility will reduce radicalism.  Indeed, I don&#8217;t think it is likely to reduce radicalism at all—what I believe is that it will reduce anti-American radicalism, which is a slightly different argument.  I also want to point out that we need to think through carefully the evidentiary requirements of the case for a policy change.  If our current policies were working well, then there would be a strong argument for the presumption against a major departure, and hence a high-standard of proof would be required.  In the current case, where our Middle Eastern policy is, I think, self-evidently unsatisfactory, the standard of proof for change is lower.  That said, I agree with the implicit assumption behind these questions, which is that the first principle ought to be to first do no harm to American interests.</p>
<p>As to the evidence.  I come to my conclusion on the basis of both an analysis of public opinion data and by comparison to other countries.  First, opinion data: There is deep, deep skepticism of American motives.  According to a survey done by Shibley Telhami of opinion in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, 83% of respondents held an unfavorable view of the United States in 2008.  Of that 64% held a “very unfavorable” view.  The fundamental reason for this unfavorable opinion is skepticism of American motives.  When asked whether the U.S. goal was to “weaken and divide Islam” a worldpublicopinion.org poll in 2007 showed 78% of Moroccan believed that was the U.S. goal, as did 92% of Egyptians and 73% of Pakistanis.  This is a common belief in the Middle East.  Indeed, it is one of the few obvious sources of anti-American sentiment, along with support for Israel and the Iraq war. On the whole, the public in the Middle East responds positively to American “values”—such as democracy, freedom, and so on.  And on the whole, these same publics reject terrorism.  So, I think we can infer, from this, that it is the American role in the region that prompts anger and resentment.</p>
<p>Second, do a comparison with other countries.  If the issue if “who we are” rather than “what we are (perceived as) doing,” then why are we more unpopular than our European allies who share most of our values.  There is no correlate between level of democracy and unpopularity.  There is no correlation between percentage of Christians and unpopularity.  Muslims in the United States are, on the whole, better integrated into American society than are Muslims in Europe, and yet in the Middle East that is not reflected in a different in public opinion.</p>
<p>If you can explain 83% unfavorable ratings—in countries that are largely American allies—with some other data point, I&#8217;m open to reconsidering my argument.  But I just think the data leads one to the conclusion that it is American involvement that is generating a backlash.</p>
<p>Now, as a policy matter, does that imply that reducing our footprint would ease this challenge.  I really don&#8217;t know.  I can&#8217;t see how it could hurt.  But I am also not sure it will help.  Just as anti-Semitism often exists even in the absence of Jews, it is possible that anti-Americanism has become so ingrained in modes of political analysis that even if we reduce our presence, we will still be blamed for negative developments in the bizarre conspiracy theories that seem to dominate political analysis in the Middle East.  I think reducing our footprint and fingerprints is the best option, but I would not bet the mortgage on it.</p>
<p><strong>Question 2:  what evidence do you have that reducing our “footprint” and “fingerprint” will result in enhanced security for Israel or a greater likelihood of the Israelis and Palestinians reaching a mutually agreeable settlement of their differences?</strong></p>
<p>BERNARD FINEL: Actually, I don&#8217;t think it will do either of those things, and I apologize if I gave that impression.  About Israeli security &#8212; my view is that the Israelis can take care of themselves.  They are a nuclear armed state with the best conventional military in the region.  Deterrence should hold against state actors.  In terms of non-state actors, I think the answer lies in multilateral non-proliferation initiatives &#8212; fissile material cut-offs, international nuclear fuel banks, and so on.  Unilaterally whacking countries that might someday become a threat to Israel seems to me an inefficient approach, and one that will make the U.S. and Israel increasingly unpopular thus feeding the problem we seek to resolve.</p>
<p>About the Israeli-Palestinian dispute… actually, I don&#8217;t think there is a negotiated solution available, and I just think that it is mistake to be so involved that we get blamed when no agreement arises.  I also think it is a mistake to raise false hopes.  My view here is that we should acknowledge we have no power over the situation, offer our assistance if requested, but otherwise try to break the notion that the road to peace in the Middle East somehow runs through Washington.</p>
<p><strong>Question 3:  what evidence do you have that pursuing “alternative energy, oil exploration at home, better fuel efficiency from cars” will result in a substantial reduction in oil use in the near term in the United States let alone in the long term?  How large a reduction and in what time frame?</strong></p>
<p>BERNARD FINEL: My argument is a long-term one actually. I come at the issue from the reverse perspective.  Is there any reason why, even given today&#8217;s technology, we &#8220;need&#8221; to use oil?  No.  Replacing the roughly 9% of electricity generated by oil-fired power plants is within easy reach by a combination of coal, nuclear, solar, and wind.  The bigger issue is the use of oil in the transportation sector.  Here there are again plenty of existing solutions &#8212; plug-in electric, hydrogen-powered, natural gas, etc. The big challenge in making a switch is primarily infrastructure.  The cost of building out this infrastructure is massive&#8230; but so is the cost of fighting wars in the Middle East and maintaining power-projection capabilities for regional contingencies there.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.energyindependencenow.org/ein-faqs.html">Energy Independence Now</a>, converting all of California&#8217;s gas stations to carry hydrogen would cost roughly $5 billion.  Extrapolate that to the rest of the country and we are looking at maybe a $50 billion price tag.  Add in investments in generation capacity—maybe twice that again, so another $100 billion.  We spend roughly $150 billion in purchasing foreign oil every year (the figure varies with prices, of course).  For the money we spend in a single year on foreign oil, we could make a major dent in a hydrogen infrastructure.  Hydrogen is still more costly than oil if you don&#8217;t take into account the political and military costs associated with oil dependency.  If you do, the gap closes.  But you don&#8217;t need to replace all oil. Just reduce our use and exposure to the point that we don&#8217;t feel compelled to be a regional policeman.</p>
<p>Just a caveat—the numbers on energy independence are all over the map.  It depends on how quickly you do it, which technologies, assumptions about economies of scale, etc.  My point is, we spend $150 billion on foreign oil, we spend perhaps another $100 billion annually in supporting military capacity and political engagements to reduce risk in access to that oil, and we spend tens of billions more a year in mitigating the consequence of this dependence.  There is a massive amount of resources locked up in the status quo.  Oil dependence is not cheap.</p>
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		<title>Pulling Out: Debating Middle East Disengagement (Affirmative)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Finel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On January 23, 1980 President Jimmy Carter enunciated what became known as the Carter Doctrine.  He stated, &#8220;An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fpulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_affirmative%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fpulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_affirmative%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-28742" href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/pulling_out_debating_middle_east_disengagement_affirmative/middle-east-unrest/"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-28742" style="border: 2px solid black; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" title="middle-east-unrest" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/middle-east-unrest-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a>On January 23, 1980 President Jimmy Carter enunciated what became known as the Carter Doctrine.  He stated, &#8220;An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.&#8221;  To give this commitment meaning, the United States began a military buildup in the region that ultimately led to the creation of Central Command, which now has responsibility for fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The Carter Doctrine came about during the period of the &#8220;Big Red Arrow&#8221; Soviet threat.  Readers of a certain age will remember seeing scary maps back then.  A big red arrow originating in Soviet Central Asia, plunging through Afghanistan and toward Iran.  A second red arrow originated in Ethiopia and shot up into South Yemen, aimed at Saudi Arabia.  This was the context of the significant increase in American military presence in the Middle East.</p>
<p>This transformation was significant.  Traditionally, the United States had been pretty hands off in the Middle East.  Though the United States recognized Israel immediately after its founding, Israel received more aid from other countries for a generation.  Massive financial aid to Israel and Egypt only began following the Camp David Accord during the Carter Administration.  Otherwise, the United States had always been willing to remain at arm’s length from developments.</p>
<p>Nearly 30 years later, by a combination of inertia, mission creep, and ill-considered friendships, the United States now finds itself deeply enmeshed in politics throughout the Middle East and South Asia.  It is time to reverse that trend.  Fundamentally, we have made a key mistake in our relations with the Middle East &#8212; we have overstated the benefits of deep involvement and the costs of disengagement while systematically underestimating the risks associated with playing such a visible role in a politically unstable region. Challenging the Soviet threat was a credible basis for a greater role, the hodge-podge of half-considered issues we face today is not.</p>
<p>I have argued for a the United States to maintain a dramatically smaller &#8220;footprint&#8221; on the ground in the Middle East while actively seeking to reduce our &#8220;fingerprints&#8221; on policy developments in the region.  The U.S. military is too active and too visible.  American Embassies are too large.  And in general, our role in region is too overwhelming.  Poll after poll shows the same thing &#8212; The United States is blamed for many of the misfortunes of the region and is considered an aggressive, hostile, imperialist power.  At this point, our active involvement is self-defeating.</p>
<p>If we were to limit our involvement, this would impact three issues directly: Radicalism, Oil, and Israel.  Let me discuss each in turn.</p>
<p>The big issue for the United States today is the threat posed by radical and violent Islamist movements.  I would argue that in this area we would reap the greatest benefits of a more detached policy.  Simply put, during the Cold War we accepted a quid pro quo with &#8220;moderate&#8221; Arab rulers. In return for consistent anti-Communism we would allow them to scapegoat us for domestic repression largely aimed at Islamist groups.  That policy worked all too well as over the past two decades the biggest change in the Islamist movement has been increased focus on the &#8220;far enemy&#8221; (i.e. the United States) and less on the &#8220;near enemy&#8221; (i.e. corrupt rulers at home).  It was a bad bargain during the Cold War, and is an even worse one today.  The United States simply can no longer allow hatred of us to serve a steam valve to reduce pressure on Middle Eastern rulers.  If we are going to be closely associated with regimes in the region, we have to insist that they forthrightly and consistently defend that relationship with their own people.  No more message segmenting.  No more blame shifting.</p>
<p>On the reverse side, some argue that we cannot reduce our presence because that is what our enemies want.  In short, they believe that to spite groups like al Qaeda we have to go against our own interests.  As a matter of strategy, it is tremendously dangerous to allow your enemies to define your interests for you.  If we allow al Qaeda to pick the time and place of our confrontations, we cede to them the initiative and choice of terrain.  Just because AQ might consider Iraq or Afghanistan a central front does not mean we have to.  Yes, they may indeed claim victory if we do retrench.  But we cannot make American policy in response to AQ press releases.  Reducing the visibility of the American role will reduce the viability of anti-American movements and do more to undermine groups like al Qaeda than anything else, even if it gives them the theme for a crowing video.</p>
<p>The second issue is oil.  The U.S. presence in the Middle East does serve to reduce some of the risks associated with the Western world&#8217;s reliances on Middle Eastern oil.  It does not lower the cost necessarily, but it may reduce some potential for volatility in supply.  But the cost of this risk mitigation is tremendous.  We pay for lowering the supply risk with increased risk of terrorist attacks, greater hostility from the Arab population, and the costs of men and materiel associated with military commitments.  Are there other ways to reduce those risks?  Of course there are.  They include investments in alternative energy, oil exporation at home, better fuel efficiency from cars.  Certainly those are costly measures in the short-run, but so is deep involvement in a volatile region.  In the long-run, the calculus is easy.  Energy independence is a strategic imperative.</p>
<p>The third issue is Israel.  There are some in the United States who believe it is in America&#8217;s interests to play &#8220;whack-a-mole&#8221; against an ever-shifting set of potential enemies of Israel.  Yesterday Iraq, today Iran, tomorrow Syria.  Ultimately, though, Israel has nuclear weapons and is unlikely to be attacked by any state actor. Certainly, the United States has an interest &#8212; as does the entire international community &#8212; in preventing terrorist groups from acquiring nuclear weapons, but pursuing a non-proliferation agenda does not require unilateral commitment to the region.  The other part of the Israel issue is the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.  Here, I am more pessimistic than most.  As long as the Israeli political system is fractured &#8212; there are 18 parties represented in the Knesset and the largest party has fewer than one quarter of the seats &#8212; and Palestinian political power is split between Fatah and Hamas and even factions within those movements &#8212; it is simply impossible to conceive of a lasting, broadly accepted peace.  The more visible the American role in brokering such a broken peace, the more resentful enemies we are likely to see emerge. Israeli land-grabs will become American land-grabs in frustrated Palestinian perceptions.  Palestinian corruption and violence become American corruption and violence in the minds of angry Israelis. Genuine peace is a fantasy, and before you can visualize hope, you need to recognize reality.</p>
<p>In short, the benefits we believe accrue from deep engagement are largely illusory, and the costs associated with retrenchment are smaller than most fear.</p>
<p><em>Image by Flickr user <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/stewf/270941650/">Stewf</a> under Creative Commons license.</em></p>
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		<title>The Future of Piracy (Updated)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re beginning to see the future of piracy unfold in the seas south of the Horn of Africa.  Somali pirates have captured an oil tanker belonging to Saudi ARAMCO:
JIDDA, Saudi Arabia: Pirates captured a Saudi-owned supertanker loaded with more than $100 million worth of crude oil off the coast of Kenya, seizing the largest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fthe_future_of_piracy%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fthe_future_of_piracy%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/17pirates550.jpg"><img align="right" hspace="5" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/17pirates550-300x174.jpg" alt="" title="17pirates550" width="300" height="174" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-27545" /></a>We&#8217;re beginning to see the future of piracy unfold in the seas south of the Horn of Africa.  <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/18/africa/18pirates.php">Somali pirates have captured</a> an oil tanker belonging to Saudi ARAMCO:</p>
<blockquote><p>JIDDA, Saudi Arabia: Pirates captured a Saudi-owned supertanker loaded with more than $100 million worth of crude oil off the coast of Kenya, seizing the largest ship ever hijacked, United States Navy officials said Monday.</p>
<p>The hijacking follows a string of increasingly brazen attacks by Somali pirates in recent months, but this appears to be the first time that pirates have seized a full oil tanker.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is unprecedented,&#8221; Lieutenant Nathan Christensen, a spokesman for the Fifth Fleet, told Reuters. &#8220;It&#8217;s the largest ship that we&#8217;ve seen pirated. It&#8217;s three times the size of an aircraft carrier.&#8221;</p>
<p>The attack took place despite an increased multinational naval presence off the Somali coast, where most of the recent hijackings have taken place. The pirates are generally heavily armed, and travel in speedboats equipped with satellite phones and GPS equipment.
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<p>I&#8217;ve been predicting this unwelcome development for some time.  I don&#8217;t believe that either the oil-exporting or oil-importing nations can allow this to go unchallenged.  To date the pirates have mostly been demanding ransoms for captured ships, crews, and cargoes and the ransoms have grown higher as their prizes have become richer.  However, that&#8217;s not the only possibility.</p>
<p>If the pirates can seize prizes of this size with impunity, I have little doubt that fences will step up to take the oil itself off their hands.  It seems to me that could have serious consequences for the world oil trade itself.</p>
<p>As <a href="http://xrdarabia.org/2008/11/17/pirates-seize-saudi-aramco-supertanker/">John Burgess points out</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps we’ll be seeing Saudi naval vessels escorting the country’s own ships soon. The Royal Saudi Navy hasn’t had much of a chance to exercise its abilities, compared to the Army and Air Force, so this might be useful.
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<p>As <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=2375">I noted before</a> piracy in the Caribbean and Atlantic was only tamped down by the United States and the United Kingdom in the 19th century with a combination of changes in the law and naval might.   If the Saudi navy isn&#8217;t up to the task, the world&#8217;s great navies may be called on once again. </p>
<p><b>Update</b></p>
<p>This <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_re_af/ml_piracy">AP news update</a> would appear to suggest that the tanker remains in the hands of the pirates:</p>
<blockquote><p>MOGADISHU, Somalia – A Somali official is vowing to rescue a hijacked Saudi oil supertanker &#8220;by using force if necessary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Abdullkadir Musa is the deputy sea port minister in northern Somalia&#8217;s Puntland region, which is a hotspot for piracy. He says that if the ship anchors anywhere near Eyl — where the U.S. says it&#8217;s heading — then his forces will rescue it.</p>
<p>The tanker was hijacked over the weekend. Its owners grappled with how to respond Tuesday, as naval forces patrolling the region said they would not intervene to stop or free the captured vessel.
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<p>That would seem to contradict earlier reports that the vessel had been freed, a story which I haven&#8217;t seen confirmed anywhere.</p>
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		<title>Tooth Fairy Diplomacy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat Lang isn&#8217;t happy with the signals coming from the nascent Obama Administration about the new administration&#8217;s prospective policies with respect to the Middle East:
Words can not express my disappointment if this is the foreign policy that the Obama Administration will follow in the Middle East.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Ftooth_fairy_diplomacy%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Ftooth_fairy_diplomacy%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href="http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2008/11/the-obama-plan.html">Pat Lang isn&#8217;t happy</a> with the signals coming from the nascent Obama Administration about the new administration&#8217;s prospective policies with respect to the Middle East:</p>
<blockquote><p>Words can not express my disappointment if this is the foreign policy that the Obama Administration will follow in the Middle East.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Abdullah Plan&#8221; is not a plan.  It was a public relations stunt in its beginnings when it was exaggerated in meaning by the American media, and it remains that.  Crown Prince Abdullah used to have the habit of telling visitors that if the Israelis would do this or that, and withdraw from this or that, then he would appeal to the Arab League for recognition of the State of Israel.  In the atmosphere that prevailed following the failure at Camp David II, this was taken as good news by Tom Friedman who visited Abdullah then and who made this Rotary Club &#8220;pitch&#8221; into a column.  Rejoicing took place in the media and at a previously scheduled meeting of the Arab League in Beirut a cornered Prince Abdullah proclaimed his &#8220;plan.&#8221;  The League produced a document.  Problem:  The text says that when the Israelis and ALL the disputants to various issues with the Israelis resolve their differences, then the members of the League will CONSIDER recognition of Israel.</p>
<p>[&#8230;]</p>
<p>And then there is what is reported in the Times on Line piece of the supposed Dennis Ross plan for dealing with the Iranian missile and nuclear programs.  He is reported to think that Russia can be persuaded to &#8220;muscle&#8221; the Iranians into giving up these programs.   What would be the Russian motivation?  An American cancellation of anti-Iranian missile emplacements in eastern Europe?  Do we want to &#8220;outsource&#8221; our diplomacy to Russia?  One must ask why the Iranians would yield to Russian pressure.  They have not yielded to any other pressure.
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<p>Realism in international relations means the belief that nations have economic and security interests and act to further them.  Consequently, a realistic foreign policy must recognize nations&#8217; economic and security interests, at least as the principals see them, and negotiate agreements in which those interests are furthered.</p>
<p>What are the Israelis&#8217; interests?  The Saudis&#8217;?  The Iranians&#8217;?</p>
<p>If resolving the problems in the Middle East were easy it would have been accomplished decades ago.  My own opinion is that the situation in the Middle East is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem">wicked problem</a>.  No mutually agreeable solution is possible at all.  The most that can be hoped for is arriving at a mechanism by which the principals can discuss their differences without coming to blows.  </p>
<p>Politicians tend not to like wicked problems.  They rarely prompt good campaign slogans.</p>
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		<title>Iranian Nukes Breakthrough?  (Updated)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his gang of mullahs are said to be &#8220;seriously considering&#8221; the latest EU 5+1 proposals on resolving the international standoff on the Iranian nuclear program and are telling President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to pipe down.
Warren Strobel:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Firanian_nukes_breakthrough_%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Firanian_nukes_breakthrough_%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-24170" href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/07/iranian_nukes_breakthrough_/iran-nukes-ahmadinejad/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-24170" style="border: 2px solid black; float: right; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 15px;" title="Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Iran Nukes Photo" src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/iran-nukes-ahmadinejad.jpg" alt="Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivers a speech. Atta Kenare / AFP / Getty" width="360" height="235" /></a>Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his gang of mullahs are said to be &#8220;seriously considering&#8221; the latest EU 5+1 proposals on resolving the international standoff on the Iranian nuclear program and are telling President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to pipe down.</p>
<p><a title="Iran 'seriously considering' new international nuclear offer" href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/42839.html">Warren Strobel</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Iran&#8217;s senior diplomat said Tuesday that Tehran was seriously considering a new offer from six world powers to resolve the dispute over its nuclear program, and he praised the package as &#8220;constructive.&#8221;  The unusually positive remarks by Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki to a small group of reporters raised hope that a negotiated solution can be found to defuse the crisis.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>During a 90-minute luncheon at Iran&#8217;s United Nations mission, Mottaki dismissed the growing speculation that Israel or the United States will strike at Iran&#8217;s nuclear facilities during President Bush&#8217;s last six months in office.  He described news reports to that effect as part of a long-running campaign of &#8220;psychological warfare.&#8221;  The chance that Israel will attack Iran &#8220;is almost nil,&#8221; Mottaki said. As for a U.S. strike, he said there was little public support in this country for a new conflict. &#8220;The consequences of such an attack cannot be predicted,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mottaki is a much keener observer of American politics than most Western observers, it would seem.</p>
<blockquote><p>The European Union&#8217;s foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, conveyed the offer to Tehran two weeks ago. It essentially repackages a two-year-old proposal by Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia and the United States to give Iran political, economic and security rewards if it &#8220;verifiably suspends its enrichment-related and reprocessing activities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Presumably, the passage of two years has made it plain that no better offer would be forthcoming.  Mottaki&#8217;s colleague,  Ali Akbar Velayati, who serves as the top foreign policy advisor to supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, offered some <a title="Iran remarks point to split in leadership Ali Akbar Velayati warns against 'provocative' statements on the nuclear dispute, apparently in reference to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his loyalists." href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran2-2008jul02,0,5205144.story">amusingly twisted logic</a> as a face-saving explanation:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Americans wanted Iran not to accept Solana,&#8221; Velayati told the hard-line daily newspaper Jomhuri Islami. &#8220;Therefore our interests imply that we should embrace Solana.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever works, I guess.  This, though, is what got everyone&#8217;s attention:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a sign of apparent high-level debate in Iran, a top aide to the country&#8217;s supreme religious leader made a veiled swipe Tuesday at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who&#8217;s used belligerent rhetoric to defend Iran&#8217;s nuclear work. &#8220;Officials &#8230; should avoid illogical and provocative sloganeering,&#8221; Ali Akbar Velayati, a foreign policy adviser to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said in published remarks, Reuters reported. His remarks seemed targeted at Ahmadinejad, although he didn&#8217;t mention the president by name.</p></blockquote>
<p>While Ahmadinejad is the public face of the Iranian government, he&#8217;s by no means its most important player, despite the obsession with him by the media and some American politicians.  As has been the case since the 1979 revolution, the clerics run the show with the Supreme Leader as the first among equals.</p>
<p>This, via <a title="Iran to Suspend Uranium Enrichment for Six Weeks?" href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/07/8855_breaking_iran_t.html">Laura Rosen</a>, strikes me as a fair read:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;What Velayati is presenting is a softening up of Iranian opinion as to why Iran might accept some sort of suspension without him going into that,&#8221; Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council, interprets Velayati&#8217;s remarks. &#8220;And then Velayati goes on to say that under the current circumstances, Iran can do this because of the fact that the international community has recognized Iran&#8217;s right to enrich. So in effect, Velayati is saying, Iran can declare victory and compromise, and that if it doesn&#8217;t do this, there will be a stronger case for war against Iran and a continuation of economic sanctions, which it&#8217;s very clear are hurting Iran&#8217;s economy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, as Gholamreza Aghazadeh, head of the Iranian atomic energy organization, reminds us &#8220;as in everything in Iran, things could change tomorrow.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Photo credit: Atta Kenare / AFP / Getty via <a title="The Fallout from the Iran Nukes Report" href="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1690515,00.html">TIME</a></em></p>
<p><b>Update (Dave Schuler)</b></p>
<p>I believe Iranian acceptance of this offer would be a benign development for all sorts of reasons of proverbial prudence including &#8220;jar-jar is better than war-war&#8221; and &#8220;half a loaf is better than none&#8221;.  The offer should have a sell-by date or I see no reason that they&#8217;ll not deliberate it forever.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not nearly enough.  The Iranian regime really needs to be more forthcoming about their past and present nuclear development activities for us to have any confidence that whatever nuclear development activity they cease is the nuclear development activity they have.  Otherwise we&#8217;ll just be subsidizing their R&#038;D.</p>
<p>The greatest danger I see in it is that European countries, blinded by a fog of Euro signs, will see Iranian acceptance of this baby stuff as big enough to take the pressure off Iran.  <a href="http://www.iranwatch.org/international/EU/eu-commission-irantrade-0606.pdf">43% of Iranian imports</a> are from the EU.  That dwarfs China, the next largest vendor, by a considerable amount.</p>
<p>However, Iran&#8217;s import partners who are probably most able to influence the regime may well also be those necks are most on the line in the face of rising Iranian power in the region, Oman and Saudi Arabia (13th and 17th on the list, respectively).  I don&#8217;t have detailed stats on the exports of these countries to Iran but I suspect their exports are mostly gasoline.  Most of what Iran uses it does not refine itself.</p>
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		<title>John Bolton Slams Korea Nuke Deal</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Bolton, President Bush&#8217;s former UN ambassador, is not at all pleased with last week&#8217;s deal with North Korea on the nuclear stalemate.

With much fanfare and choreography, but little substance, the administration has accepted a North Korean &#8220;declaration&#8221; about its nuclear program that is narrowly limited, incomplete and almost certainly dishonest in material respects. In [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fjohn-bolton-slams-korea-nuke-deal%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fjohn-bolton-slams-korea-nuke-deal%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>John Bolton, President Bush&#8217;s former UN ambassador, is <a title="The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy By JOHN R. BOLTON" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121478274355214441.html">not at all pleased</a> with last week&#8217;s deal with North Korea on the nuclear stalemate.</p>
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<p class="times">With much fanfare and choreography, but little substance, the administration has accepted a North Korean &#8220;declaration&#8221; about its nuclear program that is narrowly limited, incomplete and almost certainly dishonest in material respects. In exchange, President Bush personally declared that North Korea is no longer a state sponsor of terrorism or an enemy of the United States. In a final flourish, North Korea has undertaken a reverse Potemkin Village act, destroying the antiquated cooling tower of the antiquated Yongbyon reactor. In the waning days of American presidencies, this theater is the stuff of legacy.</p>
<p class="times">North Korea has consecutively broken every major agreement with the U.S. since the North&#8217;s creation. The Bush administration provides no reason why this one will not be added to that long list except the audacity of hope. Where have we heard that recently? Barack Obama and John Kerry both announced support for the deal, and Mr. Obama said he intended to apply Bush&#8217;s policy to other rogue states, thus confirming the early start of the Obama administration.</p>
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<p class="times">I have a sneaking suspicion that Bolton will suddenly become a legitimate authority on international diplomacy among his former enemies on the Left while his cheering section among Bush Republicans will quiet considerably.  (See-Dubya, blogging at <a title=" Bolton drops A-bomb on Bush’s North Korea deal" href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/30/bolton-drops-a-bomb-on-bushs-north-korea-deal/">Michelle Malkin</a>&#8217;s place, meanwhile, still adores him.)</p>
<p class="times">While I have no reason to think Kim Jong Il is more trustworthy now than he was two weeks ago, I&#8217;m befuddled by the reaction of Bolton and others who dismiss this agreement altogether.  (As to Bolton specifically, <a title="Chris Hill BEATS John Bolton: Bush Declares New Track for US-North Korea Relations" href="http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/06/chris_hill_beat/">Steve Clemons</a> notes that there has been quite a bit of bad blood between him and Ambassador Christopher Hill, who negotiated this deal.  I&#8217;m willing to give Bolton the benefit of the doubt, though, and chalk it up to his rather obstreperous view of international diplomacy.) In exchange for some progress in stopping the DPRK from proliferating nuclear weapons technology, most notably getting China on board as a key player, we&#8217;ve taken them off of one of our many lists of naughty states.  If they cross us, we can put them back on just as easily.</p>
<p class="times">What&#8217;s the harm?  Yes, twenty-one years ago, when Kim&#8217;s dad was running the place, they <a title="Bolton drops A-bomb on Bush’s North Korea deal" href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/30/bolton-drops-a-bomb-on-bushs-north-korea-deal/#comment-363451">blew up Korean Airlines Flight 858</a>.  That&#8217;s, to say the least, old news.  Meanwhile, Pakistan is letting al Qaeda run amok and Saudi Arabia is financing them.   We call them our &#8220;allies&#8221; in the war on terrorism.  Somehow, I think we can live with the consequences of taking North Korea off the list.  (Technically, as <a title="Removing North Korea from the Terrorism List Stirs Opposition By Michael Kraft" href="http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/06/removing_north_korea_from_the.php">Michael Kraft</a> details at great length, it won&#8217;t happen for 45 days, during which time Congress has the right to intervene.</p>
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		<title>Ann Dunwoody First Woman Four-Star General</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Ann Dunwoody has been nominated for a fourth star, making her the first woman to achieve that rank in American history.
&#8220;This is an historic occasion for the Department of Defense and I am proud to nominate Lt. Gen. Ann Dunwoody for a fourth star,&#8221; said Defense Secretary Robert Gates. &#8220;Her 33 years of service, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fann-dunwoody-first-woman-four-star-general%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fann-dunwoody-first-woman-four-star-general%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a title="General Ann Dunwoody Photo" rel="attachment wp-att-24073" href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/06/ann-dunwoody-first-woman-four-star-general/general-ann-dunwoody-photo/"><img src="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/general-ann-dunwoody-photo.jpg" alt="General Ann Dunwoody Photo" hspace="15" width="300" align="right" /></a> Ann Dunwoody has been <a title="Army Lt. Gen. Ann E. Dunwoody has been nominated for appointment to the rank of general and assignment as commanding general, U.S. Army Materiel Command" href="http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=12006">nominated for a fourth star</a>, making her the <a title="First female four-star U.S. Army general nominated" href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/23/woman.general/">first woman to achieve that rank</a> in American history.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This is an historic occasion for the Department of Defense and I am proud to nominate Lt. Gen. Ann Dunwoody for a fourth star,&#8221; said Defense Secretary Robert Gates. &#8220;Her 33 years of service, highlighted by extraordinary leadership and devotion to duty, make her exceptionally qualified for this senior position.&#8221;</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>The Army Material Command handles all material readiness for the Army. During her career, Dunwoody has been assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division, 10th Mountain Division and the Defense Logistics Agency. She served with the 82nd Airborne in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Persian Gulf War.</p></blockquote>
<p>Honestly, I didn&#8217;t know that AMC was a four-star command.  Indeed, while that&#8217;s a huge task, it strikes me as odd that it is; it&#8217;s part of an overall trend toward rank inflation in the armed forces.  Neither George Washington nor Jack Pershing ever wore a fourth star.</p>
<p>Regardless, this is a historic appointment.  CNN&#8217;s rundown of firsts shows how amazingly recent all of them are:</p>
<blockquote><p>The first woman to become a general officer in the U.S. armed services was Brig. Gen. Anna Mae Hays, chief of the Army Nurse Corps, who achieved the rank in 1970 and retired the following year. Elizabeth Hoisington, the director of the Women&#8217;s Army Corps, was promoted to brigadier general immediately after Hays. She also retired the following year.  Maj. Gen. Jeanne M. Holm, the first director of Women in the Air Force, was the first woman to wear two stars, attaining the rank in 1973 and retiring two years later. In 1996, Marine Lt. Gen. Carol A. Mutter became the first woman to wear three stars. Mutter retired in 1999.</p>
<p>Currently, there are 57 active-duty women serving as generals or admirals, five of whom are lieutenant generals or vice admirals, the Navy&#8217;s three-star rank, according to the Pentagon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Truly remarkable.</p>
<p><em>Photo: <a title="Interview with Lieutenant General Ann E. Dunwoody&lt;br &gt;&lt;/a&gt; Deputy Chief of Staff, G-4 United States Army" href="http://www.military-logistics-forum.com/article.cfm?DocID=2197">Military Logistics Forum</a></em></p>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> An emailer points out that AMC &#8220;has been a four star position since shortly after its creation in 1962, when it was first commanded by LTG Frank Besson, who was promoted to General in 1964. It has been commanded by a four-star general since that time. I believe that among the major commands of the US Army, only three have more personnel than AMC&#8211;Forces Command, Training and Doctrine Command, and US Army Europe.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure my biases on this matter were formed as an Army lieutenant twenty years ago; I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d ever heard of AMC.  Further, my sense has always been that the &#8220;real&#8221; four-star commands were regional combatant commands like EUCOM and CENTCOM that oversee operational forces.  It always struck me as overkill to have a four-star in charge of office workers.</p>
<div id="banner-yellow">Previously on OTB: <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/08/ann_dunwoody_tapped_for_third_star/">Ann Dunwoody Promoted Three-Star General</a></div>
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		<title>High Gas Prices Our Own Fault</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ George Will joins the Blame America crowd on the issue of high oil prices.
Responding to Chuck Schumer&#8217;s suggestion that we block arms sales to Saudi Arabia until it &#8220;increases its oil production by one million barrels per day,&#8221; which would cause the price of gasoline to fall &#8220;50 cents a gallon almost immediately,&#8221; Will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fhigh_gas_prices_our_own_fault%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.outsidethebeltway.com%2Farchives%2Fhigh_gas_prices_our_own_fault%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p><a href='http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/06/high_gas_prices_our_own_fault/high_gas_prices_our_own_fault-2/' rel='attachment wp-att-23808' title='High Gas Prices Our Own Fault'><img src='http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/gas-prices.bmp' alt='High Gas Prices Our Own Fault' align=right hspace=15 width=300/></a> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/04/AR2008060403052.html" title="The Gas Prices We Deserve">George Will</a> joins the Blame America crowd on the issue of high oil prices.</p>
<p>Responding to Chuck Schumer&#8217;s suggestion that we block arms sales to Saudi Arabia until it &#8220;increases its oil production by one million barrels per day,&#8221; which would cause the price of gasoline to fall &#8220;50 cents a gallon almost immediately,&#8221; Will notes that notes that, &#8220;One million barrels is what might today be flowing from ANWR if in 1995 President Bill Clinton had not vetoed legislation to permit drilling there.&#8221;  Schumer opposes drilling there even today, as do both Barack Obama and John McCain.  </p>
<p>Will doesn&#8217;t stop there:</p>
<blockquote><p>Also disqualified from complaining are all voters who sent to Washington senators and representatives who have voted to keep ANWR&#8217;s oil in the ground and who voted to put 85 percent of America&#8217;s offshore territory off-limits to drilling. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that restricted area contains perhaps 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas &#8212; 10 times as much oil and 20 times as much natural gas as Americans use in a year.</p>
<p><strong>Drilling is underway 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies are. [emphasis mine]</strong></p>
<p>ANWR is larger than the combined areas of five states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware), and drilling along its coastal plain would be confined to a space one-sixth the size of Washington&#8217;s Dulles airport.</p></blockquote>
<p>He closes with this zinger:</p>
<blockquote><p>America says to foreign producers: We prefer not to pump our oil, so please pump more of yours, thereby lowering its value, for our benefit. Let it not be said that America has no energy policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, changing our policy this minute wouldn&#8217;t effect prices at the pump for quite some time.  But decisions made 10, 20, and 30 years ago have certainly hampered our long-stated goal of &#8220;energy independence.&#8221;  </p>
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