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		<title>By: instant home equity &#187; How gas prices could affect your mortgage How gas prices could affect</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/talking_down_the_economy/comment-page-1/#comment-98258</link>
		<dc:creator>instant home equity &#187; How gas prices could affect your mortgage How gas prices could affect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside Beltway - This in turn meant that mortgages could be had with monthly payments much lower. Even if you got a fixed rate . So I would expect a lot of people entered the market, trading up or buying for the first time. Interest rates have gone back up, but continue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Outside Beltway - This in turn meant that mortgages could be had with monthly payments much lower. Even if you got a fixed rate . So I would expect a lot of people entered the market, trading up or buying for the first time. Interest rates have gone back up, but continue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other things I don&#039;t think the economists are taking into account:

Repair and upgrading of existing homes.  Are existing home owners upgrading their properties?  I&#039;ve seen lots of repair and construction (like a new roof or a room addition) going on here in MPLS and more construction starts every month.  Granted, the summer building season is almost over, so most construction will not be obvious, but it seems to be continuing.  Doesn&#039;t this point to a strong economy?

Seasonal trends in retail sales.  I&#039;ve found that retail sales seems to decrease at the end of summer.  After the summer sales period is over and following the short back to school sales drive, retail sales will slow for a few months until the winter shopping drive occurs (Christmas).  Sales will slow again until spring when sales will pick up.  That&#039;s my experience anyways.

The Back to School effect.  During the summer, tens of thousands of kids are out spending money.  These kids, mostly in the 10 to 18 year old range,  spend a lot of money during summer break.  These kids still spend money during school season, but that spending is a lot less then during summer break.  That&#039;s something every parent knows.  Kids like to have fun during the summer and that means revenue to those business&#039;s that tailor to those kids.    A drop in retail sales during school season is not a indication of a weak economy, it&#039;s an indication of a large portion of the consumer base doing something other than spending money.  Do any economists include this data in their studies?

Personally, I don&#039;t see any real threat to our economy in the near future.  I think the economy will slow a bit in the immediate future, but it always does that during the winter months so I don&#039;t think it&#039;s anything to worry about.  

That&#039;s my two cents worth anyways.  (You get a lot for two cents)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other things I don't think the economists are taking into account:</p>
<p>Repair and upgrading of existing homes.  Are existing home owners upgrading their properties?  I've seen lots of repair and construction (like a new roof or a room addition) going on here in MPLS and more construction starts every month.  Granted, the summer building season is almost over, so most construction will not be obvious, but it seems to be continuing.  Doesn't this point to a strong economy?</p>
<p>Seasonal trends in retail sales.  I've found that retail sales seems to decrease at the end of summer.  After the summer sales period is over and following the short back to school sales drive, retail sales will slow for a few months until the winter shopping drive occurs (Christmas).  Sales will slow again until spring when sales will pick up.  That's my experience anyways.</p>
<p>The Back to School effect.  During the summer, tens of thousands of kids are out spending money.  These kids, mostly in the 10 to 18 year old range,  spend a lot of money during summer break.  These kids still spend money during school season, but that spending is a lot less then during summer break.  That's something every parent knows.  Kids like to have fun during the summer and that means revenue to those business's that tailor to those kids.    A drop in retail sales during school season is not a indication of a weak economy, it's an indication of a large portion of the consumer base doing something other than spending money.  Do any economists include this data in their studies?</p>
<p>Personally, I don't see any real threat to our economy in the near future.  I think the economy will slow a bit in the immediate future, but it always does that during the winter months so I don't think it's anything to worry about.  </p>
<p>That's my two cents worth anyways.  (You get a lot for two cents)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YAJ,

&lt;blockquote&gt;So I would want to see the number of houses transferring in context to other points in history, adjusted for population changes (including aging), economic factors etc. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Try &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/08/existinghome_sa.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAJ,</p>
<blockquote><p>So I would want to see the number of houses transferring in context to other points in history, adjusted for population changes (including aging), economic factors etc. </p></blockquote>
<p>Try <a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/08/existinghome_sa.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fersboo,

If the Midwest is defined as Michigan, then it absolutely is lagging the nation in terms of unemployment. The rest, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fersboo,</p>
<p>If the Midwest is defined as Michigan, then it absolutely is lagging the nation in terms of unemployment. The rest, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The AP Talks Down The Economy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The AP Talks Down The Economy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question I would ask about the housing &quot;slow down&quot; is slowed down relative to what. For a while we had extremely low prime interest rate. This in turn meant that mortgages could be had with monthly payments much lower. Even if you got a &quot;fixed rate&quot;. So I would expect a lot of people entered the market, trading up or buying for the first time. Interest rates have gone back up, but while you can argue should they be +/- 1% they are no where near historical highs/lows. Given the +/-1%, they are where I &quot;expect&quot; them to be. So we should be entering a period of the housing market getting back to &quot;normal&quot; after an &quot;abnormal&quot; time due to the low interest rates. The fluctuations for getting back to normal should be expected as part of this. People who would have moved up this year did so two years ago and won&#039;t do so again this year. Some people will have failed ECO101 and over extended themselves. As long as the entire system isn&#039;t under damped do it spirals out of control, then this is all to be expected.

So I would want to see the number of houses transferring in context to other points in history, adjusted for population changes (including aging), economic factors etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question I would ask about the housing "slow down" is slowed down relative to what. For a while we had extremely low prime interest rate. This in turn meant that mortgages could be had with monthly payments much lower. Even if you got a "fixed rate". So I would expect a lot of people entered the market, trading up or buying for the first time. Interest rates have gone back up, but while you can argue should they be +/- 1% they are no where near historical highs/lows. Given the +/-1%, they are where I "expect" them to be. So we should be entering a period of the housing market getting back to "normal" after an "abnormal" time due to the low interest rates. The fluctuations for getting back to normal should be expected as part of this. People who would have moved up this year did so two years ago and won't do so again this year. Some people will have failed ECO101 and over extended themselves. As long as the entire system isn't under damped do it spirals out of control, then this is all to be expected.</p>
<p>So I would want to see the number of houses transferring in context to other points in history, adjusted for population changes (including aging), economic factors etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Lol economy is OK in some places. But, not looking good in most. Bad and getting worse in the Midwest -not good for Repubs this fall. Fuel prices were too high for too long to recover quickly, my thoughts anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does the Midwest suffer from greater unemployment than the nation is averaging?  What indicators can you provide that the Midwest is getting worse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Lol economy is OK in some places. But, not looking good in most. Bad and getting worse in the Midwest -not good for Repubs this fall. Fuel prices were too high for too long to recover quickly, my thoughts anyway.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does the Midwest suffer from greater unemployment than the nation is averaging?  What indicators can you provide that the Midwest is getting worse?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol economy is OK in some places.  But, not looking good in most.  Bad and getting worse in the Midwest -not good for Repubs this fall.  Fuel prices were too high for too long to recover quickly, my thoughts anyway.  

I know from talking to friends in manufacturing that the unreasonable high energy prices this year will cause them to have a down year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol economy is OK in some places.  But, not looking good in most.  Bad and getting worse in the Midwest -not good for Repubs this fall.  Fuel prices were too high for too long to recover quickly, my thoughts anyway.  </p>
<p>I know from talking to friends in manufacturing that the unreasonable high energy prices this year will cause them to have a down year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sine Nomine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sine Nomine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about all the states that have &quot;Tax Free Days&quot;

to indicate a DECREASE in sales tax collections!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about all the states that have "Tax Free Days"</p>
<p>to indicate a DECREASE in sales tax collections!!</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question for Mr. Hamilton: Does this statement, &quot;Retail sales posted only a modest gain in August as worried consumers got hit anew with sticker-shock at the gasoline pumps.&quot;, now merit a complete reconsideration with gasoline as low as $1.85?

A question for Mr. Leamer: Don&#039;t those consumers living in the larger homes want to furnish them?

All of this looks like material selectively chosen to support a preconceived notion. But hey, Stephen Green will be glad he&#039;s no longer the only person peddling deflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for Mr. Hamilton: Does this statement, "Retail sales posted only a modest gain in August as worried consumers got hit anew with sticker-shock at the gasoline pumps.", now merit a complete reconsideration with gasoline as low as $1.85?</p>
<p>A question for Mr. Leamer: Don't those consumers living in the larger homes want to furnish them?</p>
<p>All of this looks like material selectively chosen to support a preconceived notion. But hey, Stephen Green will be glad he's no longer the only person peddling deflation.</p>
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