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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tax_freedom_day/comment-page-1/#comment-123183</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you cheat?  I don&#039; see that on the chart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you cheat?  I don' see that on the chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tax_freedom_day/comment-page-1/#comment-123118</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So what&#039;s the controversy here? It says right there on the website (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/) that it&#039;s &quot;calculated by dividing the official government tally of all taxes collected in each year by the official government tally of all income earned in each year.&quot; How stupid do you have to be to not understand what that means, mathematically?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Representing the ratio of tax receipts to GDP as a calendar date is silly and misleading, and has little to do with how much an average or median American has to work to cover their taxes, which is what the media stupidly presents it as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So what's the controversy here? It says right there on the website (<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/</a>) that it's "calculated by dividing the official government tally of all taxes collected in each year by the official government tally of all income earned in each year." How stupid do you have to be to not understand what that means, mathematically?</p></blockquote>
<p>Representing the ratio of tax receipts to GDP as a calendar date is silly and misleading, and has little to do with how much an average or median American has to work to cover their taxes, which is what the media stupidly presents it as.</p>
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		<title>By: aman454</title>
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		<dc:creator>aman454</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the controversy here? It says right there on the website (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/) that it&#039;s &quot;calculated by dividing the official government tally of all taxes collected in each year by the official government tally of all income earned in each year.&quot; How stupid do you have to be to not understand what that means, mathematically?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what's the controversy here? It says right there on the website (<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/</a>) that it's "calculated by dividing the official government tally of all taxes collected in each year by the official government tally of all income earned in each year." How stupid do you have to be to not understand what that means, mathematically?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tax_freedom_day/comment-page-1/#comment-123101</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;or the additional costs imposed by regulations&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If we include this magic number, we should surely include the additional costs imposed by lack of regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>or the additional costs imposed by regulations</p></blockquote>
<p>If we include this magic number, we should surely include the additional costs imposed by lack of regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;far cry form the 32% mentioned&lt;/em&gt;

Again, though, the figure does not represent just federal income tax.  It also includes, FICA, Medicare, state income taxes, local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and excise taxes. 

It&#039;s unclear to me whether it also includes the passed-on cost of corporate taxes paid by consumers or the additional costs imposed by regulations.  Reading the report, it does not look like it does.

Indeed, 32 percent may well be low in expressing the true &quot;cost of government.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>far cry form the 32% mentioned</em></p>
<p>Again, though, the figure does not represent just federal income tax.  It also includes, FICA, Medicare, state income taxes, local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and excise taxes. </p>
<p>It's unclear to me whether it also includes the passed-on cost of corporate taxes paid by consumers or the additional costs imposed by regulations.  Reading the report, it does not look like it does.</p>
<p>Indeed, 32 percent may well be low in expressing the true "cost of government."</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people have no clue whatsoever how much they pay in federal income tax. Unless you making a lot of money the idea that you pay much more then 15% after deductions are considered is unlikely. In the computer boom years I was making well above the mean and median and paying an effective rate of about 18%(under Clinton rates), a far cry form the 32% mentioned. Most people don&#039;t pay anywhere near that  but this kind of misleading stuff makes them think they are getting raped.

I would like to know what % of tax the libertarian minded think is acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people have no clue whatsoever how much they pay in federal income tax. Unless you making a lot of money the idea that you pay much more then 15% after deductions are considered is unlikely. In the computer boom years I was making well above the mean and median and paying an effective rate of about 18%(under Clinton rates), a far cry form the 32% mentioned. Most people don't pay anywhere near that  but this kind of misleading stuff makes them think they are getting raped.</p>
<p>I would like to know what % of tax the libertarian minded think is acceptable?</p>
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		<title>By: Garth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea.  Maybe the &quot;pro-tax&quot; people should make a movie... kind of like &quot;A Day Without a Mexican,&quot; only showing what life would be like without government.

I&#039;m working on a construction site right now.  Without OSHA, it would certainly be a lot more &quot;interesting&quot; without the safety belts, railings on scaffolding, GFI circuit breakers, etc.  (There has been a 90% decrease in workplace deaths between 1933 and 1999 due to government safety regulations, and a corresponding decrease in accidents of all sorts).

I&#039;m sure other aspects of our lives would be equally interesting without those other pesky federal agencies.  No interstate highways (or public roads of any type), no Food and Drug safety, no public schools...

Freedom isn&#039;t &quot;free.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea.  Maybe the "pro-tax" people should make a movie... kind of like "A Day Without a Mexican," only showing what life would be like without government.</p>
<p>I'm working on a construction site right now.  Without OSHA, it would certainly be a lot more "interesting" without the safety belts, railings on scaffolding, GFI circuit breakers, etc.  (There has been a 90% decrease in workplace deaths between 1933 and 1999 due to government safety regulations, and a corresponding decrease in accidents of all sorts).</p>
<p>I'm sure other aspects of our lives would be equally interesting without those other pesky federal agencies.  No interstate highways (or public roads of any type), no Food and Drug safety, no public schools...</p>
<p>Freedom isn't "free."</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you wanted that number, you&#039;d get a time required to pay off one&#039;s taxes for each individual, then take the mean of those times. And that would yield a very different result from just taking (tax burden)/(GDP) and converting it into a date.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

TF claims that the average (that is, mean) taxpayer pays &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr152.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;32.2 percent of his income in total taxes&lt;/a&gt;. [PDF, p. 1 and 2; also available in exec summary.] That works out to 119.355 days (which they, oddly, round to 120 days). 

I&#039;d agree that using GDP, which includes non-income in the equation, would be misleading, although it would seem to skew the data in the other direction, no?  At any rate, they claim to be using income:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Every dollar that is officially called
income by the government is counted, and every
payment to the government that is
officially considered a tax is counted. Taxes at
all levels of government are included, whether
levied by Uncle Sam or state and local governments.

[...]

Determining the national Tax Freedom
Day involves calculating an overall effective tax
rate for the nation. This is done by dividing
the nation’s total tax payments by the nation’s
income.  (p. 8)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you wanted that number, you'd get a time required to pay off one's taxes for each individual, then take the mean of those times. And that would yield a very different result from just taking (tax burden)/(GDP) and converting it into a date.</p></blockquote>
<p>TF claims that the average (that is, mean) taxpayer pays <a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr152.pdf" rel="nofollow">32.2 percent of his income in total taxes</a>. [PDF, p. 1 and 2; also available in exec summary.] That works out to 119.355 days (which they, oddly, round to 120 days). </p>
<p>I'd agree that using GDP, which includes non-income in the equation, would be misleading, although it would seem to skew the data in the other direction, no?  At any rate, they claim to be using income:</p>
<blockquote><p>Every dollar that is officially called<br />
income by the government is counted, and every<br />
payment to the government that is<br />
officially considered a tax is counted. Taxes at<br />
all levels of government are included, whether<br />
levied by Uncle Sam or state and local governments.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Determining the national Tax Freedom<br />
Day involves calculating an overall effective tax<br />
rate for the nation. This is done by dividing<br />
the nation&rsquo;s total tax payments by the nation&rsquo;s<br />
income.  (p. 8)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The overall cost of government services can be illustrated in many ways so why not use all of them?  Different approaches may strike a nerve with different people and overall send the message in a more efficient manner than one method repeated over and over.

I can&#039;t hardly blame them for using misleading &quot;averages&quot; since everyone does it.

The important message that needs to get across is how much we pay in hidden taxes.  Those taxes that are built into the cost of our everyday expenses and not itemized like payroll deductions, sales tax or a check on April 15.  Those taxes add up quickly and burden Americans more than they realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overall cost of government services can be illustrated in many ways so why not use all of them?  Different approaches may strike a nerve with different people and overall send the message in a more efficient manner than one method repeated over and over.</p>
<p>I can't hardly blame them for using misleading "averages" since everyone does it.</p>
<p>The important message that needs to get across is how much we pay in hidden taxes.  Those taxes that are built into the cost of our everyday expenses and not itemized like payroll deductions, sales tax or a check on April 15.  Those taxes add up quickly and burden Americans more than they realize.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The word &#039;average&#039; is generally taken to be &#039;arithmetic mean&#039; rather than &#039;median.&#039; Averages can be skewed by extreme outliers but that doesn’t make them non-averages, just poor measures of central tendency.&quot;

I think you miss my central point: EVEN IF we&#039;re looking for an arithmetic mean, the TF number is wrong if we&#039;re taking it to represent *the average (mean) taxpayer&#039;s TFD*.  If you wanted that number, you&#039;d get a time required to pay off one&#039;s taxes for each individual, then take the mean of those times.  And that would yield a very different result from just taking (tax burden)/(GDP) and converting it into a date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The word 'average' is generally taken to be 'arithmetic mean' rather than 'median.' Averages can be skewed by extreme outliers but that doesn&rsquo;t make them non-averages, just poor measures of central tendency."</p>
<p>I think you miss my central point: EVEN IF we're looking for an arithmetic mean, the TF number is wrong if we're taking it to represent *the average (mean) taxpayer's TFD*.  If you wanted that number, you'd get a time required to pay off one's taxes for each individual, then take the mean of those times.  And that would yield a very different result from just taking (tax burden)/(GDP) and converting it into a date.</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from the Lounge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from the Lounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;someone state outright that TFD is not, on any plausible reading of the phrase, a measure of when &quot;the average American&quot; has met his or her tax bill, to ensure that journalists in the future can&#039;t &quot;misinterpret&quot; it.   Update: Two clarifications:  (1) James Joyner has a post which seems to think I&#039;m quibbling about whether a mean or a median is the better interpretation of &quot;average.&quot; That&#039;s not it at all. Even if what you want is the mean—that is, the mean individual Tax Freedom Day&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->someone state outright that TFD is not, on any plausible reading of the phrase, a measure of when "the average American" has met his or her tax bill, to ensure that journalists in the future can't "misinterpret" it.   Update: Two clarifications:  (1) James Joyner has a post which seems to think I'm quibbling about whether a mean or a median is the better interpretation of "average." That's not it at all. Even if what you want is the mean—that is, the mean individual Tax Freedom Day<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: World and Global Politics Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>World and Global Politics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;In fact, Americans will work longer to afford federal taxes alone (79 days) than they will to afford housing (62 days).”  TF provides this handy-dandy pie chart to illustrate the “Days Americans Work to Pay Taxes Compared to Other Expenses:”  [IMG Tax Freedom Day Pie Chart]  Sure, some people pay much less in taxes and are “free” much sooner; others pay much more and “work for Uncle Sam” much further into the year. But, as a marketing device, Tax Freedom Day strikes me as perfectly valid.&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->In fact, Americans will work longer to afford federal taxes alone (79 days) than they will to afford housing (62 days).”  TF provides this handy-dandy pie chart to illustrate the “Days Americans Work to Pay Taxes Compared to Other Expenses:”  [IMG Tax Freedom Day Pie Chart]  Sure, some people pay much less in taxes and are “free” much sooner; others pay much more and “work for Uncle Sam” much further into the year. But, as a marketing device, Tax Freedom Day strikes me as perfectly valid.<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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