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		<title>By: We The People Stimulus Package by Thomas Paine &#171; The Family Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>We The People Stimulus Package by Thomas Paine &#171; The Family Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s not ironic at all.  The fact that a stimulus package may benefit us does not make it any more right or constitutional.

In fact, the *Original* Tea Party in the 1770s was to protest a pre-tax that would actually make the tea cheaper for the colonists!  We don&#039;t want the stimulus because it is wrong, constitutionally, not because we thought it wouldn&#039;t benefit us.

Second, where are you getting your stats?  Most of the Tea Partiers I know are Libertarians and Old School GOP noninterventionists that DON&#039;T and DIDN&#039;T support the War in Iraq.  If you can produce some sort of official statistic supporting your claim, I&#039;ll stand corrected.  Otherwise, I have a bunch of people at the actual Tea Parties to back me up.

Last, it&#039;s not that we are awakening to this fact now that Democrats are in power.  Again, most Tea Partiers I have encountered are 3rd party, so they&#039;ve ALWAYS been the opposition, and I (and many others) were against Bush&#039;s bailout at the end of his term as well.  We spoke out against the police state tactics used the last 8 years.

This is far, far from partisan, as much as it seems you&#039;d like it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it's not ironic at all.  The fact that a stimulus package may benefit us does not make it any more right or constitutional.</p>
<p>In fact, the *Original* Tea Party in the 1770s was to protest a pre-tax that would actually make the tea cheaper for the colonists!  We don't want the stimulus because it is wrong, constitutionally, not because we thought it wouldn't benefit us.</p>
<p>Second, where are you getting your stats?  Most of the Tea Partiers I know are Libertarians and Old School GOP noninterventionists that DON'T and DIDN'T support the War in Iraq.  If you can produce some sort of official statistic supporting your claim, I'll stand corrected.  Otherwise, I have a bunch of people at the actual Tea Parties to back me up.</p>
<p>Last, it's not that we are awakening to this fact now that Democrats are in power.  Again, most Tea Partiers I have encountered are 3rd party, so they've ALWAYS been the opposition, and I (and many others) were against Bush's bailout at the end of his term as well.  We spoke out against the police state tactics used the last 8 years.</p>
<p>This is far, far from partisan, as much as it seems you'd like it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: a.k.</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead.  I revile intellectual dishonesty.  Your presentation and rant of the conservative viewpoint is so far off the mark there is no way to begin an intelligent conversation.  Conservatives were unhappy w/much Bush did.  But you would not have any clue of what the conservative viewpoint was and is, depending as you do on CNN and MSNBC for their skewed and partisan coverage.  Suffice it to say, you are completely ignorant of the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead.  I revile intellectual dishonesty.  Your presentation and rant of the conservative viewpoint is so far off the mark there is no way to begin an intelligent conversation.  Conservatives were unhappy w/much Bush did.  But you would not have any clue of what the conservative viewpoint was and is, depending as you do on CNN and MSNBC for their skewed and partisan coverage.  Suffice it to say, you are completely ignorant of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: lizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall significant conservative outrage in ANY medium, including the blogosphere, over anything Bush did -- not the no-bid contracts and sweetheart deals for Dick Cheney&#039;s old company, not the billions of dollars unaccounted for in Iraq, not the pork, not the creation of an enormous new cabinet agency, not the off-the-book wartime budgets and supplemental spending bills, not the ineffectual responses to various domestic crises, not the poorly-planned and poorly prosecuted war, not the expansion of entitlements.  

Nope, all I heard from conservatives was &quot;My country, right or wrong&quot; and &quot;We&#039;ve got to support the troops&quot; and &quot;Criticizing Bush and the war is treason&quot; and &quot;Bush is righteous and Godly&quot; and so forth.

So when a bunch of conservatives who never uttered a peep at Bush&#039;s bloated deficits suddenly get pay-as-you-go religion, it&#039;s natural to be a wee bit cynical.  It doesn&#039;t inspire confidence in the sincerity of your views, that&#039;s for sure.  

No, it&#039;s more of the old tribalism.  When a Republican president runs up deficits, all is well.  When a Democratic does the same, the sky is falling and people start remembering that they read Ayn Rand when they were sophomores in college and oh, isn&#039;t that John Galt cool.  And you have so much invested in your tribal identities that you can&#039;t even see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't recall significant conservative outrage in ANY medium, including the blogosphere, over anything Bush did -- not the no-bid contracts and sweetheart deals for Dick Cheney's old company, not the billions of dollars unaccounted for in Iraq, not the pork, not the creation of an enormous new cabinet agency, not the off-the-book wartime budgets and supplemental spending bills, not the ineffectual responses to various domestic crises, not the poorly-planned and poorly prosecuted war, not the expansion of entitlements.  </p>
<p>Nope, all I heard from conservatives was "My country, right or wrong" and "We've got to support the troops" and "Criticizing Bush and the war is treason" and "Bush is righteous and Godly" and so forth.</p>
<p>So when a bunch of conservatives who never uttered a peep at Bush's bloated deficits suddenly get pay-as-you-go religion, it's natural to be a wee bit cynical.  It doesn't inspire confidence in the sincerity of your views, that's for sure.  </p>
<p>No, it's more of the old tribalism.  When a Republican president runs up deficits, all is well.  When a Democratic does the same, the sky is falling and people start remembering that they read Ayn Rand when they were sophomores in college and oh, isn't that John Galt cool.  And you have so much invested in your tribal identities that you can't even see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, by &quot;the usual suspects&quot; I mean Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, with blogospheric assists from the likes of Michelle Malkin&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Comments about &#039;kill the messenger&#039; aside, do you discount the photos you&#039;re seeing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, by "the usual suspects" I mean Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, with blogospheric assists from the likes of Michelle Malkin</p></blockquote>
<p>Comments about 'kill the messenger' aside, do you discount the photos you're seeing?</p>
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		<title>By: Can We Just Cut To The Chase? - Sheer Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can We Just Cut To The Chase? - Sheer Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some of the biggest proponents of the “Going Galt” bandwagon in the blogosphere and at Pajamas Media are Glenn Reynolds and his wife, both of whom have jobs (Professor of Law at a public university; forensic psychiatrist) that are dependent on public, taxpayer-funded institutions. [Source:  Alex Knapp] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some of the biggest proponents of the “Going Galt” bandwagon in the blogosphere and at Pajamas Media are Glenn Reynolds and his wife, both of whom have jobs (Professor of Law at a public university; forensic psychiatrist) that are dependent on public, taxpayer-funded institutions. [Source:  Alex Knapp] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

You&#039;ve got to remember that during the Bush Adminstration, Beck was on CNN Headline News so it&#039;s understandable that nobody would realize he was there ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>You've got to remember that during the Bush Adminstration, Beck was on CNN Headline News so it's understandable that nobody would realize he was there ;)</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you even listen to Glenn Beck during the Bush Administration because he frequently took the unpopular view of criticizing the president.  The republican betrayal of conservative principles, the border agent controversy, and many many others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you even listen to Glenn Beck during the Bush Administration because he frequently took the unpopular view of criticizing the president.  The republican betrayal of conservative principles, the border agent controversy, and many many others</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, by &quot;the usual suspects&quot; I mean Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, with blogospheric assists from the likes of Michelle Malkin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, by "the usual suspects" I mean Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich, with blogospheric assists from the likes of Michelle Malkin</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As long as it led by the usual suspects ? You bet its phony. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

As I said at my own place a few weeks ago, in a post that caused an instalanche:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...conservatives organizing protests is something unheard of in recent times.  That it happens at all with conservatives, is a huge story. we expect the left to be generating these kind of things.  Not the right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Usual suspects, then, would be the left. The likelyhood of seeing them protesting taxation would seem to be fairly low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As long as it led by the usual suspects ? You bet its phony. </p></blockquote>
<p>As I said at my own place a few weeks ago, in a post that caused an instalanche:</p>
<blockquote><p>...conservatives organizing protests is something unheard of in recent times.  That it happens at all with conservatives, is a huge story. we expect the left to be generating these kind of things.  Not the right.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Usual suspects, then, would be the left. The likelyhood of seeing them protesting taxation would seem to be fairly low.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;4. The number of patients cared for on a daily basis will drop by 40%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So you will lose patients to another non-ideologue doctor who is happy to pay the extra 6 cents on the dollar to make that dollar. Your employees will find new employment with said doctors. You don&#039;t have to make the dreaded 250,000th dollar and your former patients get to see a doctor who isn&#039;t a money obsessed Randroid. Win-win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>4. The number of patients cared for on a daily basis will drop by 40%.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you will lose patients to another non-ideologue doctor who is happy to pay the extra 6 cents on the dollar to make that dollar. Your employees will find new employment with said doctors. You don't have to make the dreaded 250,000th dollar and your former patients get to see a doctor who isn't a money obsessed Randroid. Win-win!</p>
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		<title>By: Duracomm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duracomm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron said 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Going to a higher income bracket DOES NOT MEAN ALL your income gets taxed at the higher rate. It means the income over $250,000 gets taxed at the new higher rate.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Aaron you might try and learn a little bit more about tax law before you call someone else a moron.  The comment right above yours provided this information

&lt;blockquote&gt;While it&#039;s true that increases in marginal rates only impact the 250,000th dollar and above, that is NOT true for when the income level is used as a trigger for phase-outs.

&lt;strong&gt;For example, if the child tax credit disappears after a certain level of income, by earning one dollar less, you can save a nice tax credit.&lt;/strong&gt;

Same for AMT triggers, deduction phase-outs, earned income credits, joint filing credits, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron said </p>
<blockquote><p>Going to a higher income bracket DOES NOT MEAN ALL your income gets taxed at the higher rate. It means the income over $250,000 gets taxed at the new higher rate.</p></blockquote>
<p> Aaron you might try and learn a little bit more about tax law before you call someone else a moron.  The comment right above yours provided this information</p>
<blockquote><p>While it's true that increases in marginal rates only impact the 250,000th dollar and above, that is NOT true for when the income level is used as a trigger for phase-outs.</p>
<p><strong>For example, if the child tax credit disappears after a certain level of income, by earning one dollar less, you can save a nice tax credit.</strong></p>
<p>Same for AMT triggers, deduction phase-outs, earned income credits, joint filing credits, etc.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6. I will gross $249,999.00 a year, exactly.
-moron.

Going to a higher income bracket DOES NOT MEAN ALL your income gets taxed at the higher rate. It means the income over $250,000 gets taxed at the new higher rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. I will gross $249,999.00 a year, exactly.<br />
-moron.</p>
<p>Going to a higher income bracket DOES NOT MEAN ALL your income gets taxed at the higher rate. It means the income over $250,000 gets taxed at the new higher rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-act-ly! &#171; The Fork&#8217;s End</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex-act-ly! &#171; The Fork&#8217;s End</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 March 23    by forkend   A couple of posts by Sullivan and Knapp to follow up on the pathetic &#8220;Going Galt&#8221; and &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; nonsense.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2009 March 23    by forkend   A couple of posts by Sullivan and Knapp to follow up on the pathetic &#8220;Going Galt&#8221; and &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; nonsense.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Duracomm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duracomm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link to the physicians comment above and some other points 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjY2ZjViOWUzYWU1NTMxOTkyNzU1NjRhNWFiZGZkNjc=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It is not only the increase in the rate that scares those who are making the $250K plus, but the FICA taxes Obama wants to throw on it too.  &lt;strong&gt;So really it would be a jump not to 39%, but more like 53% when you factor that in. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

While it&#039;s true that increases in marginal rates only impact the 250,000th dollar and above,&lt;strong&gt; that is NOT true for when the income level is used as a trigger for phase-outs.  &lt;/strong&gt;

For example, if the child tax credit disappears after a certain level of income, by earning one dollar less, you can save a nice tax credit.  

&lt;strong&gt;Same for AMT triggers, deduction phase-outs, earned income credits, joint filing credits, etc.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to the physicians comment above and some other points </p>
<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjY2ZjViOWUzYWU1NTMxOTkyNzU1NjRhNWFiZGZkNjc=" rel="nofollow">It is not only the increase in the rate that scares those who are making the $250K plus, but the FICA taxes Obama wants to throw on it too.  <strong>So really it would be a jump not to 39%, but more like 53% when you factor that in. </strong></a></p>
<p>While it's true that increases in marginal rates only impact the 250,000th dollar and above,<strong> that is NOT true for when the income level is used as a trigger for phase-outs.  </strong></p>
<p>For example, if the child tax credit disappears after a certain level of income, by earning one dollar less, you can save a nice tax credit.  </p>
<p><strong>Same for AMT triggers, deduction phase-outs, earned income credits, joint filing credits, etc.</strong></p>
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