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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547948</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Feinstein goes rogue...&lt;/strong&gt;

FEINSTEIN GOES ROGUE.... Just a few weeks ago, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) joined her colleagues in urging Rod Blagojevich not to fill Illinois&#039; vacant Senate seat, warning him that his appointment would not be seated. Yesterday, she changed her ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Feinstein goes rogue...</strong></p>
<p>FEINSTEIN GOES ROGUE.... Just a few weeks ago, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) joined her colleagues in urging Rod Blagojevich not to fill Illinois' vacant Senate seat, warning him that his appointment would not be seated. Yesterday, she changed her ...</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547646</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 2003:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/12/column.shields.opinion.stupid/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(Former Wyoming Sen. Alan) Simpson, a loyal Republican, used to say: &quot;We have two political parties in this country, the Stupid Party and the Evil Party. I belong to the Stupid Party.&quot; &lt;/a&gt;

From 2006:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/15573&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;With all of the hype and hubbub leading into the November elections, the old saw about there being two political parties in the U.S., the Stupid party and the Evil Party, is playing out in spades. With the voter backlash against vacillating, ineffective, and corrupt Republicans, there are three simple questions Republicans should be asking voters: What would the Democrats have done? What will the Democrats do? Would the U.S. be better off under Democrat control? Instead of focusing on those questions, Republicans are ignoring them in favor of fear-mongering and attack ads.&lt;/a&gt; 

From 2007:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/222bhixh.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Stupid Party -- How the Democrats earned the epithet previously reserved for Republicans. &lt;/a&gt;

There&#039;s plenty more where those came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 2003:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/12/column.shields.opinion.stupid/" rel="nofollow">(Former Wyoming Sen. Alan) Simpson, a loyal Republican, used to say: "We have two political parties in this country, the Stupid Party and the Evil Party. I belong to the Stupid Party." </a></p>
<p>From 2006:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/15573" rel="nofollow">With all of the hype and hubbub leading into the November elections, the old saw about there being two political parties in the U.S., the Stupid party and the Evil Party, is playing out in spades. With the voter backlash against vacillating, ineffective, and corrupt Republicans, there are three simple questions Republicans should be asking voters: What would the Democrats have done? What will the Democrats do? Would the U.S. be better off under Democrat control? Instead of focusing on those questions, Republicans are ignoring them in favor of fear-mongering and attack ads.</a> </p>
<p>From 2007:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/222bhixh.asp" rel="nofollow">The Stupid Party -- How the Democrats earned the epithet previously reserved for Republicans. </a></p>
<p>There's plenty more where those came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547550</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That&#039;s really interesting. My understanding is that in Washington, D.C., it was the Democrats that were known as the evil party and the Republicans that were known as the stupid party.&quot;

The opposite, actually.

&quot;Perhaps Mr. Cole would like to collect the last dozen or so headlines from any Big Media source dealing with the venality of elected officials and give us a scorecard on how many were Republicans and how many were Democrats. &quot;

I&#039;d guess about 9:1 would be about Democratic politicians, or rather one particular one (hint:  &#039;governor&#039; and &#039;land of Lincoln&#039;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"That's really interesting. My understanding is that in Washington, D.C., it was the Democrats that were known as the evil party and the Republicans that were known as the stupid party."</p>
<p>The opposite, actually.</p>
<p>"Perhaps Mr. Cole would like to collect the last dozen or so headlines from any Big Media source dealing with the venality of elected officials and give us a scorecard on how many were Republicans and how many were Democrats. "</p>
<p>I'd guess about 9:1 would be about Democratic politicians, or rather one particular one (hint:  'governor' and 'land of Lincoln').</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547500</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The chief difference between the two parties is that the Republicans screw things up out of venality, the Democrats do it because they are idiots.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s really interesting.  My understanding is that in Washington, D.C., it was the Democrats that were known as the evil party and the Republicans that were known as the stupid party.

Perhaps Mr. Cole would like to collect the last dozen or so headlines from any Big Media source dealing with the venality of elected officials and give us a scorecard on how many were Republicans and how many were Democrats.  Of course, the scorecard may get a bit muddled because of Big Media&#039;s habit of reporting on venal politicians of no discernable party affiliation, and we all know what that means, don&#039;t we?  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The chief difference between the two parties is that the Republicans screw things up out of venality, the Democrats do it because they are idiots.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's really interesting.  My understanding is that in Washington, D.C., it was the Democrats that were known as the evil party and the Republicans that were known as the stupid party.</p>
<p>Perhaps Mr. Cole would like to collect the last dozen or so headlines from any Big Media source dealing with the venality of elected officials and give us a scorecard on how many were Republicans and how many were Democrats.  Of course, the scorecard may get a bit muddled because of Big Media's habit of reporting on venal politicians of no discernable party affiliation, and we all know what that means, don't we?  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if we had competent leadership at CIA things would be a great deal &lt;em&gt;less intense&lt;/em&gt; today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if we had competent leadership at CIA things would be a great deal <em>less intense</em> today.</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547469</link>
		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things are more intense today that during the cold war, immediately before the overthrow of the Shah, etc? 

That&#039;s arguable, but I don&#039;t wish to argue it. 

For the record, I don&#039;t think things were especially tense then or now. We currently have no plausible existential threats. America hasn&#039;t had to truly fight for its security in 60 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are more intense today that during the cold war, immediately before the overthrow of the Shah, etc? </p>
<p>That's arguable, but I don't wish to argue it. </p>
<p>For the record, I don't think things were especially tense then or now. We currently have no plausible existential threats. America hasn't had to truly fight for its security in 60 years.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547444</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Some previous very successful heads of the CIA had no real prior intel experience. George H.W. Bush comes to mind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think things are a little more intense today than they were back then. I doubt there would be much grumbling about Panetta if there wasn&#039;t so much going on at the moment and for the foreseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some previous very successful heads of the CIA had no real prior intel experience. George H.W. Bush comes to mind.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think things are a little more intense today than they were back then. I doubt there would be much grumbling about Panetta if there wasn't so much going on at the moment and for the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Really, Not Furious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Really, Not Furious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just disgusted. James Joyner (proud new papa!) makes a great point about my post last night regarding DiFi&#8217;s reaction to the Panetta pick: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just disgusted. James Joyner (proud new papa!) makes a great point about my post last night regarding DiFi&#8217;s reaction to the Panetta pick: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547435</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what your saying but I also agree that she is a party hack.  I can think of tons of examples where she seems to intentionally fowl up the democratic plan.  She is a dino.  Glad there is oversight but she is transparent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what your saying but I also agree that she is a party hack.  I can think of tons of examples where she seems to intentionally fowl up the democratic plan.  She is a dino.  Glad there is oversight but she is transparent</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Feinstein is doing her job by conducting oversight to protect against executive bungling and overreach&lt;/em&gt;. 

Too bad that was of no discernible interest to her when the President was a Republican.

Panetta can go into CIA, kick ass &amp; take names, and get some smart people running the place.  That would be a big change, considering that, no lie, the nation&#039;s premier intel agency was being run by people who &lt;i&gt;acted as if torture were the best way to conduct interrogations&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Feinstein is doing her job by conducting oversight to protect against executive bungling and overreach</em>. </p>
<p>Too bad that was of no discernible interest to her when the President was a Republican.</p>
<p>Panetta can go into CIA, kick ass &amp; take names, and get some smart people running the place.  That would be a big change, considering that, no lie, the nation's premier intel agency was being run by people who <i>acted as if torture were the best way to conduct interrogations</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say I am furious- nothing the Democrats do really makes me furious, because I completely and totally expect them to screw up everything they touch.  The chief difference between the two parties is that the Republicans screw things up out of venality, the Democrats do it because they are idiots.

Having said that, I think the real point here is that Feinstein had no problem rubber-stamping every Bush appointee, and now appears to be knee-capping her own party&#039;s pick before he even has a hearing.  That simply makes no sense to me, either politically or in the service of the good government points that you correctly bring up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't say I am furious- nothing the Democrats do really makes me furious, because I completely and totally expect them to screw up everything they touch.  The chief difference between the two parties is that the Republicans screw things up out of venality, the Democrats do it because they are idiots.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think the real point here is that Feinstein had no problem rubber-stamping every Bush appointee, and now appears to be knee-capping her own party's pick before he even has a hearing.  That simply makes no sense to me, either politically or in the service of the good government points that you correctly bring up.</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/team_players/comment-page-1/#comment-547395</link>
		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some previous very successful heads of the CIA had no real prior intel experience. George H.W. Bush comes to mind. Panetta was picked because he&#039;s a competent administrator who knows both the White House and the Hill, he has no links to torture or illegal spying, and is on record forcefully opposing the torture we committed. 

Dawn Johnsen is the pick that really fills me with pride though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some previous very successful heads of the CIA had no real prior intel experience. George H.W. Bush comes to mind. Panetta was picked because he's a competent administrator who knows both the White House and the Hill, he has no links to torture or illegal spying, and is on record forcefully opposing the torture we committed. </p>
<p>Dawn Johnsen is the pick that really fills me with pride though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should Congressional oversight be limited to appointees of the other party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should Congressional oversight be limited to appointees of the other party?</p>
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		<title>By: Leisureguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisureguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh: on the general point that Congress should not simply give the President whatever he asks---the policy the GOP followed under Bush---I agree. Congress should use good reasoning, sound discussion, and transparent processes to do what is best for the country. But the Congress we have is quite parochial in its interests, alas. Recall that Bob Corker (R-Nissan, TN) helped kill the effort to help the American car industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh: on the general point that Congress should not simply give the President whatever he asks---the policy the GOP followed under Bush---I agree. Congress should use good reasoning, sound discussion, and transparent processes to do what is best for the country. But the Congress we have is quite parochial in its interests, alas. Recall that Bob Corker (R-Nissan, TN) helped kill the effort to help the American car industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Leisureguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisureguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument would be more persuasive if the &quot;intelligence professionals&quot; hadn&#039;t done such a very bad job---although Tenet was awarded the Medal of Freedom (an honor somewhat sullied by Jerry Bremer&#039;s also getting it). Porter Goss was such a hack that even Bush had to get rid of him. Tenet was famously wrong. And all the professionals had no trouble at all with a policy of torture and illegal detainment. I think that Obama is selecting Panetta because Panetta has been extremely good at what he does, knows the Washington ropes, and will be tasked with getting the CIA back on track.

Feinstein is not a person for whom I have much respect. She, like Charles Schumer, pushed for Mike Mukasey, who has done a very bad job IMO, and also she pushed for telecom immunity for whatever crimes they may have committed (and we will probably never know what those were).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument would be more persuasive if the "intelligence professionals" hadn't done such a very bad job---although Tenet was awarded the Medal of Freedom (an honor somewhat sullied by Jerry Bremer's also getting it). Porter Goss was such a hack that even Bush had to get rid of him. Tenet was famously wrong. And all the professionals had no trouble at all with a policy of torture and illegal detainment. I think that Obama is selecting Panetta because Panetta has been extremely good at what he does, knows the Washington ropes, and will be tasked with getting the CIA back on track.</p>
<p>Feinstein is not a person for whom I have much respect. She, like Charles Schumer, pushed for Mike Mukasey, who has done a very bad job IMO, and also she pushed for telecom immunity for whatever crimes they may have committed (and we will probably never know what those were).</p>
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