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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I been barred from commenting? Why?</description>
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		<title>By: Nell Lancaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell Lancaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ: &lt;em&gt;there&#039;s little evidence that I&#039;ve seen that he was more than tangentially involved in the 9/11 attacks. &lt;/em&gt;

What evidence at all have you seen that Saddam was even tangentially involved?

The only sense in which the Iraq war is related to the September 11 attacks is that they put enough fear into the American people that the press and politicians were unwilling to challenge the flimsy rationales of a &quot;popular president.&quot; So we took a fatally wrong turn in the campaign to prevent further attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ: <em>there's little evidence that I've seen that he was more than tangentially involved in the 9/11 attacks. </em></p>
<p>What evidence at all have you seen that Saddam was even tangentially involved?</p>
<p>The only sense in which the Iraq war is related to the September 11 attacks is that they put enough fear into the American people that the press and politicians were unwilling to challenge the flimsy rationales of a "popular president." So we took a fatally wrong turn in the campaign to prevent further attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bulz I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bulz I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is amazing!  The republican war and propaganda machines are working superbly.  You all are arguing about Iraq and the justification....  Meanwhile Osama is still free.

Let&#039;s get back to basics.  Who attacked us on 9/11?  I think we can all agree that it was Al Qaeda led by Osama bin Laden and supported by the Taliban.  Right?

So we attack in Afghanistan -- again we can all agree that this was a good move.  But after that it gets fuzzy, at least for me.  I always wondered why we did not send 100K+ troops into Afghanistan but we sent them into Iraq.  If we had sent that size of a force after Osama would we have caught him?  I think we would have stood a much better chance than we did using 10K troops.

But instead of &quot;staying the course&quot; as our chicken-hawk in chief likes to say.  We strayed from the course and now everyone forgets where this all started and that we have unfinished business.

Any of you who support the Iraq war should quit your jobs and go there yourself.  It is that simple.  If you want to free the Iraqi people go there.  Get off the blog and go to Iraq.  Also you should pay extra in taxes to off-set the $1 billion per week this is costing.

Any takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is amazing!  The republican war and propaganda machines are working superbly.  You all are arguing about Iraq and the justification....  Meanwhile Osama is still free.</p>
<p>Let's get back to basics.  Who attacked us on 9/11?  I think we can all agree that it was Al Qaeda led by Osama bin Laden and supported by the Taliban.  Right?</p>
<p>So we attack in Afghanistan -- again we can all agree that this was a good move.  But after that it gets fuzzy, at least for me.  I always wondered why we did not send 100K+ troops into Afghanistan but we sent them into Iraq.  If we had sent that size of a force after Osama would we have caught him?  I think we would have stood a much better chance than we did using 10K troops.</p>
<p>But instead of "staying the course" as our chicken-hawk in chief likes to say.  We strayed from the course and now everyone forgets where this all started and that we have unfinished business.</p>
<p>Any of you who support the Iraq war should quit your jobs and go there yourself.  It is that simple.  If you want to free the Iraqi people go there.  Get off the blog and go to Iraq.  Also you should pay extra in taxes to off-set the $1 billion per week this is costing.</p>
<p>Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I&#039;d love to believe us good American Christians are able to demonstrate Christian-like qualities (loving enemies, turning cheeks, humility, long suffering, etc)....I know better. Our Afghanistan military campaign made good strategic sense. Iraq was pure political opportunism that we Americans swallowed whole... mostly because it was PURE VENGEANCE with a side of racism, born out of frustration at not being able to get those directly responsible for 9/11. Vengeance is a normal, but not very Christian response. And like most vengeful, knee jerk reactions, it has brought little satisfaction, ugly costs, sure to breed future retaliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I'd love to believe us good American Christians are able to demonstrate Christian-like qualities (loving enemies, turning cheeks, humility, long suffering, etc)....I know better. Our Afghanistan military campaign made good strategic sense. Iraq was pure political opportunism that we Americans swallowed whole... mostly because it was PURE VENGEANCE with a side of racism, born out of frustration at not being able to get those directly responsible for 9/11. Vengeance is a normal, but not very Christian response. And like most vengeful, knee jerk reactions, it has brought little satisfaction, ugly costs, sure to breed future retaliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One time poster, so feel free to disregard; but letâs move on here!  My personal opinion is that we were lead into this war under fictitous pretense, my personal opinion is that if any of our leaders had asked anyone with real military experience about their plan it would have been vetoed.  But this is all getting less and less important.
What we need now is a way out of a war we are not winning!  As long as our mere presence in Iraq is enough of an affront to turn citizens into terrorists, we will never run out of terrorists.  We need to find a way towards peace in Iraq, otherwise hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi citizens will continue to die in this war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One time poster, so feel free to disregard; but letâs move on here!  My personal opinion is that we were lead into this war under fictitous pretense, my personal opinion is that if any of our leaders had asked anyone with real military experience about their plan it would have been vetoed.  But this is all getting less and less important.<br />
What we need now is a way out of a war we are not winning!  As long as our mere presence in Iraq is enough of an affront to turn citizens into terrorists, we will never run out of terrorists.  We need to find a way towards peace in Iraq, otherwise hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi citizens will continue to die in this war.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anjin-san:

Oh, that&#039;s where you&#039;re wrong.  When we didn&#039;t take out Saddam after Gulf War I, we WERE a part of the bloodshed that went on afterwards--from gassing the Kurds to the shootdowns of our pilots in no-fly zones.

How do I sleep?  Fine.  I accept responsibility for my choices at the voting booth.  Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anjin-san:</p>
<p>Oh, that's where you're wrong.  When we didn't take out Saddam after Gulf War I, we WERE a part of the bloodshed that went on afterwards--from gassing the Kurds to the shootdowns of our pilots in no-fly zones.</p>
<p>How do I sleep?  Fine.  I accept responsibility for my choices at the voting booth.  Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From this thread it looks like the conspiracies are evolving.  I thought it was all about cheap oil?  That&#039;s what all the clever posters at the peace marches said.  

I was wondering why oil prices keep going up.  Can somebody explain to me the newest and best conspiracy i can use to understand new the bushhitlerroveenstein agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From this thread it looks like the conspiracies are evolving.  I thought it was all about cheap oil?  That's what all the clever posters at the peace marches said.  </p>
<p>I was wondering why oil prices keep going up.  Can somebody explain to me the newest and best conspiracy i can use to understand new the bushhitlerroveenstein agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol-

I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going with that comment about North Africa, but it&#039;s widely understood Roosevelt (and, ironically, his British cohorts) was after the French Vichy troops which were nominally in control of Morocco, opening up an avenue to attack the occupying German forces in Tunisia from the rear.

Perhaps you&#039;re suggesting that our Iraq invasion is just a gateway into more threatening Middle Eastern countries? Iran? Syria? That it is in fact a brilliant military strategem? I guess we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol-</p>
<p>I'm not sure where you're going with that comment about North Africa, but it's widely understood Roosevelt (and, ironically, his British cohorts) was after the French Vichy troops which were nominally in control of Morocco, opening up an avenue to attack the occupying German forces in Tunisia from the rear.</p>
<p>Perhaps you're suggesting that our Iraq invasion is just a gateway into more threatening Middle Eastern countries? Iran? Syria? That it is in fact a brilliant military strategem? I guess we'll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callin Em as You See Um:

Nothing could be quite as stupid as your proposition that pointing out obvious deficiencies in someone&#039;s argument about &quot;innocent victims&quot; suddenly makes one a &quot;terror symp&quot;. 

Oh, wait, there is something as stupid. Your suggestion that our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan (the latter being a fully justified response to the attack on our country) were motivated by a desire to free Arabs from oppression.

That takes the cake, when it comes to stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callin Em as You See Um:</p>
<p>Nothing could be quite as stupid as your proposition that pointing out obvious deficiencies in someone's argument about "innocent victims" suddenly makes one a "terror symp". </p>
<p>Oh, wait, there is something as stupid. Your suggestion that our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan (the latter being a fully justified response to the attack on our country) were motivated by a desire to free Arabs from oppression.</p>
<p>That takes the cake, when it comes to stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;We are being sold that a bunch of filthy, god-hating, freedom-hating, hate-filled ragheads need killing because of their proclivity to spread their social disease.&#039;

OK - let&#039;s try to make some sense of this. I think it&#039;s real clear that jihadist aren&#039;t &#039;god-hating&#039; misguided as they may be they clearly believe they are doing God&#039;s work. 

&#039;hate-filled&#039; - Well the jihadist are real clear about their feelings for infidels, Jews and apostates. 

&#039;proclivity to spread their social disease.&#039; Since their &#039;social disease&#039; is terrorist murder yes I would like to stop it. 

It&#039;s interesting to read the projection from the terror symps. We&#039;ve sacrificed American blood to depose the Taliban and Saddam freeing 45 million Afghans and Arabs from brutal terror police states because &#039;The only good Arab isâ¦&#039;.

I mean how fucking stupid is that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'We are being sold that a bunch of filthy, god-hating, freedom-hating, hate-filled ragheads need killing because of their proclivity to spread their social disease.'</p>
<p>OK - let's try to make some sense of this. I think it's real clear that jihadist aren't 'god-hating' misguided as they may be they clearly believe they are doing God's work. </p>
<p>'hate-filled' - Well the jihadist are real clear about their feelings for infidels, Jews and apostates. </p>
<p>'proclivity to spread their social disease.' Since their 'social disease' is terrorist murder yes I would like to stop it. </p>
<p>It's interesting to read the projection from the terror symps. We've sacrificed American blood to depose the Taliban and Saddam freeing 45 million Afghans and Arabs from brutal terror police states because 'The only good Arab isâ¦'.</p>
<p>I mean how fucking stupid is that.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW... you played no part in the bloodshead in Iraq during the saddam era... now you do. How are you sleeping?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW... you played no part in the bloodshead in Iraq during the saddam era... now you do. How are you sleeping?</p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In WWII we were fighting Germany, Japan and Italy if I remember correctly.  However our 1st invasion occured where?  Oh that&#039;s right -Morocco!  That stupid Roosevelt he knew noone in North Africa attacked us.  Wonder what he was really after?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In WWII we were fighting Germany, Japan and Italy if I remember correctly.  However our 1st invasion occured where?  Oh that's right -Morocco!  That stupid Roosevelt he knew noone in North Africa attacked us.  Wonder what he was really after?</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, anjin-san.  

There wasn&#039;t an insurgency in Iraq before the US went in.  

There was just institutionalized killing, torture, and oppression of not only the regime&#039;s political opponents, but of anyone the regime wanted dead.  

IT&#039;S CALLED A &quot;DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're right, anjin-san.  </p>
<p>There wasn't an insurgency in Iraq before the US went in.  </p>
<p>There was just institutionalized killing, torture, and oppression of not only the regime's political opponents, but of anyone the regime wanted dead.  </p>
<p>IT'S CALLED A "DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE".</p>
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		<title>By: IO ERROR &#187; So, uh, what exactly is going on in Iraq?</title>
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		<dc:creator>IO ERROR &#187; So, uh, what exactly is going on in Iraq?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] raq? Posted by IO ERROR under Politics ,  Homeland Stupidity&#160;  			Outside the Beltway tells me today that Congressman Robin Hayes (R-NC) is saying that Saddam Hussein was definitely l [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] raq? Posted by IO ERROR under Politics ,  Homeland Stupidity   			Outside the Beltway tells me today that Congressman Robin Hayes (R-NC) is saying that Saddam Hussein was definitely l [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of have to go with Max about feeling sick about the many innocent people in Iraq who have been killed/maimed by US military action there.  No doubt the insurgents/whatevers have killed many there too, but then there was no insurgency until we showed up, was there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of have to go with Max about feeling sick about the many innocent people in Iraq who have been killed/maimed by US military action there.  No doubt the insurgents/whatevers have killed many there too, but then there was no insurgency until we showed up, was there?</p>
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