Remember here that 'priviges' includes sleep, clothing, food and water (at least in practice at Abu Graib). Which I thought came under the category of 'rights'. But then I'm a 'liberal'.

The treatment of prisoners on Bush's watch, many of whom have not been charged with any crime, is utterly morally reprihensible, he holds the ultimate responsiblity whether he personally ordered it or not, and the man should be impeached, or perhaps stood on a box with wires attached to his fingers and a bag over his head naked (eeuw). Okay, impeached, because the latter thing is a really shitty thing to do to someone.

So stop prevaricating and condemn what you can see is obvioulsy wrong!

Y'know what? I'll bet this very day you did something "really shitty" to somebody without even realizing it.

Grow a skin, buddy.

McGehee - if you impeached every president who did really shitty things, *maybe they'd stop!*. Grow a skin? Grow a skin meaning waht? Stop caring?

La Femme Crickita - they were'nt very kind at all, they were brutal murderers. Now tell me how compassionate and kind it is to torture people and arrest them without trial, not to mention to fire missiles into residential areas. Not as bad as Al-Qaida.

Vote Bush: He's not as bad as Hitler!
Go America! We're not as bad as Al-Qaida!

The challenge is to keep in proportion the extent to which al-Qaida actions are wrong, and the extent to which some American actions are wrong, and to keep your rage in the correct proportion. Saying, look, al-Qaida are not compassionate, does not change a thing.

(I paraphrase this from somewhere. I read it recently. I'd source it if I could remember where.)

Jeremiah - I can't speak for every 'liberal' in the world, but personally it's a different rancour. The key difference is that you expect better from America. What is reprehensible to me is that as soon as an enemy comes along, non-'liberals' seem to think that any disgraceful action is justified up until the point at which 'we' become as bad as 'them'.

America should act like the America advertised on the packet.

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