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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_birth_of_an_anti-kerry_ad/comment-page-1/#comment-22593</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as thoroughly as I might, James.  I haven&#039;t seen Farenheight 9/11 either.  The sum total of both is &quot;John Kerry is a bad man, unfit to be President.  Here are the ways he is a bad man.&quot; or &quot;George Bush is a bad man, unfit to be President.  Here are the ways he is a bad man.&quot;

We can pontificate endlessly about whether such charges are right or wrong, partisan or impartial, significant or insignificant.  They all ask the wrong questions, no matter what the answers.  

And, ultimately (with a few rare exceptions), the answers boil down to &quot;The Candidate (choose your own name) is human and imperfect in the face of a world of ambiguous moral choices.&quot;  Who isn&#039;t?

I think personally that about 80% of what any President does he does by rote and any well-stuffed blue suit would do.  Neither candidate is going to disband the Department of Homeland Security, declare the Iraq war over and leave, or stop the CIA from spying on anybody under current circumstances.  They are choices already made which no one is going to unmake and any President will simply have to manage.  Do you disagree?

It is the other 20% that is truly important.  Therein lie the right questions:  What has George W. Bush actually done?  What does John Kerry propose to do?  How much do I support or approve of either?

I note that only one campaign, and its supporters, seems to be interested in trying to answer those questions as of yet.  To quote Thomas Pynchon, &quot;If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don&#039;t have to worry about the answers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as thoroughly as I might, James.  I haven't seen Farenheight 9/11 either.  The sum total of both is "John Kerry is a bad man, unfit to be President.  Here are the ways he is a bad man." or "George Bush is a bad man, unfit to be President.  Here are the ways he is a bad man."</p>
<p>We can pontificate endlessly about whether such charges are right or wrong, partisan or impartial, significant or insignificant.  They all ask the wrong questions, no matter what the answers.  </p>
<p>And, ultimately (with a few rare exceptions), the answers boil down to "The Candidate (choose your own name) is human and imperfect in the face of a world of ambiguous moral choices."  Who isn't?</p>
<p>I think personally that about 80% of what any President does he does by rote and any well-stuffed blue suit would do.  Neither candidate is going to disband the Department of Homeland Security, declare the Iraq war over and leave, or stop the CIA from spying on anybody under current circumstances.  They are choices already made which no one is going to unmake and any President will simply have to manage.  Do you disagree?</p>
<p>It is the other 20% that is truly important.  Therein lie the right questions:  What has George W. Bush actually done?  What does John Kerry propose to do?  How much do I support or approve of either?</p>
<p>I note that only one campaign, and its supporters, seems to be interested in trying to answer those questions as of yet.  To quote Thomas Pynchon, "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."</p>
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		<title>By: William Modahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Modahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Hannah Arendt who said that the great achievement of the totalitarianisms of the 20th Century was reduce matters that called for discussion and evidence to mere questions of motive.  Naturally, whatever motive someone has for asserting a fact has no bearing on truth. Either it is true or not. We have a two party system, as Krauthammer reminds us, for just this reason. We depend on each party to bring out uncomfortable facts about the other. For the left, on the other hand, whose intellectual language is pidgin Marx, motive and interest is all there is - any notion of objective truth is mere &quot;bourgeois morality&quot; or obscurantism designed to cover up interest.  This seems to have been handed down to and is readily accepted by liberals wishing to avoid inconvenient facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Hannah Arendt who said that the great achievement of the totalitarianisms of the 20th Century was reduce matters that called for discussion and evidence to mere questions of motive.  Naturally, whatever motive someone has for asserting a fact has no bearing on truth. Either it is true or not. We have a two party system, as Krauthammer reminds us, for just this reason. We depend on each party to bring out uncomfortable facts about the other. For the left, on the other hand, whose intellectual language is pidgin Marx, motive and interest is all there is - any notion of objective truth is mere "bourgeois morality" or obscurantism designed to cover up interest.  This seems to have been handed down to and is readily accepted by liberals wishing to avoid inconvenient facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Pejmanesque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pejmanesque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CARRYING WATER FOR JOHN KERRY&lt;/strong&gt;
Let me say as plainly as possible what I have said before on this blog--what George W. Bush and John Kerry did in their 20&#039;s is nowhere near as important as what they are currently doing as President and Senator....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CARRYING WATER FOR JOHN KERRY</strong><br />
Let me say as plainly as possible what I have said before on this blog--what George W. Bush and John Kerry did in their 20's is nowhere near as important as what they are currently doing as President and Senator....</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figure Bush is largely inoculated by any of that by the sheer virtue of the fact that he&#039;s been president four years.  We know longer have to speculate what kind of president he&#039;d make:  We know.  (For good or ill.)

Actually, Cheney never served in the Senate unless one counts his stint as its president for the last four years.  He was in the House a number of years, sandwiched in between tours of duty in the Ford White House and working for the two Presidents Bush as SECDEF and Veep.  And, again, he&#039;s been Veep for four years and is running for another four years as Veep.  It&#039;s not like he&#039;s a mystery candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure Bush is largely inoculated by any of that by the sheer virtue of the fact that he's been president four years.  We know longer have to speculate what kind of president he'd make:  We know.  (For good or ill.)</p>
<p>Actually, Cheney never served in the Senate unless one counts his stint as its president for the last four years.  He was in the House a number of years, sandwiched in between tours of duty in the Ford White House and working for the two Presidents Bush as SECDEF and Veep.  And, again, he's been Veep for four years and is running for another four years as Veep.  It's not like he's a mystery candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - I think you&#039;re right about the Bush-life change thing (well, I&#039;m not sure I buy it, but it&#039;s a plausible argument for disconnecting his early life from his current life); but given the way even mildly complex issues get shorthanded and soundbitten into the public&#039;s eye, I still think it&#039;s a bad idea to focus on (or to allow one&#039;s supporters to focus on). You&#039;re basically saying &quot;Bush has changed over the last 30+ years, so we should forget what he did then, but Kerry hasn&#039;t, so we should roast him for it&quot;, and unless your political ad then spends the next ten minutes discussing Bush&#039;s &quot;life change&quot;, it&#039;s going to come across as shallow and bogus to voters - there&#039;s no political traction to be gained on that route, whether you&#039;re fer or agin&#039; him.

As for Cheney, I&#039;m not real familiar with his Senate record either; I just recall much Conventional Wisdom from the primaries about how it&#039;s harder for a Senator to run for Pres than a Governor, since Senators have so many issue votes in their past that can be twisted by the opposition. While I believe this, it seems odd that we haven&#039;t seen more attacks on Kerry for that. I know he was hammered earlier this year for some of his votes, but I also recall seeing a few of Cheney&#039;s old floor speeches trotted out by the Dems, and I haven&#039;t heard much since then, so I assume there&#039;s been some sort of mutual cease-fire called...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James - I think you're right about the Bush-life change thing (well, I'm not sure I buy it, but it's a plausible argument for disconnecting his early life from his current life); but given the way even mildly complex issues get shorthanded and soundbitten into the public's eye, I still think it's a bad idea to focus on (or to allow one's supporters to focus on). You're basically saying "Bush has changed over the last 30+ years, so we should forget what he did then, but Kerry hasn't, so we should roast him for it", and unless your political ad then spends the next ten minutes discussing Bush's "life change", it's going to come across as shallow and bogus to voters - there's no political traction to be gained on that route, whether you're fer or agin' him.</p>
<p>As for Cheney, I'm not real familiar with his Senate record either; I just recall much Conventional Wisdom from the primaries about how it's harder for a Senator to run for Pres than a Governor, since Senators have so many issue votes in their past that can be twisted by the opposition. While I believe this, it seems odd that we haven't seen more attacks on Kerry for that. I know he was hammered earlier this year for some of his votes, but I also recall seeing a few of Cheney's old floor speeches trotted out by the Dems, and I haven't heard much since then, so I assume there's been some sort of mutual cease-fire called...</p>
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		<title>By: Petrified Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_birth_of_an_anti-kerry_ad/comment-page-1/#comment-22493</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrified Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Counterattack&lt;/strong&gt;
The New York Times counterattacks against the Swift Boat Veterans in a lengthy, page-one story that is focused on the supposed inside story behind the story, rather than the charges themselves. A series of interviews and a review of documents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Counterattack</strong><br />
The New York Times counterattacks against the Swift Boat Veterans in a lengthy, page-one story that is focused on the supposed inside story behind the story, rather than the charges themselves. A series of interviews and a review of documents...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_birth_of_an_anti-kerry_ad/comment-page-1/#comment-22489</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph:  Do you actually even read the posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:  Do you actually even read the posts?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_birth_of_an_anti-kerry_ad/comment-page-1/#comment-22487</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my fond hope that this continues for some little while longer.  Its time the American public truly ate its fill of this style of politics, which it has for so long relished as a guilty and secret pleasure.  We finally need to eat it to surfeit.

Keep blogging it James, give us every gory detail, blow by blow, as you have in the past few days.  Don&#039;t let any inclination to even consider that John Kerry might have served honorably restrain you.

This is one we really need to wallow in to find out who and what we really are as a people and a nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my fond hope that this continues for some little while longer.  Its time the American public truly ate its fill of this style of politics, which it has for so long relished as a guilty and secret pleasure.  We finally need to eat it to surfeit.</p>
<p>Keep blogging it James, give us every gory detail, blow by blow, as you have in the past few days.  Don't let any inclination to even consider that John Kerry might have served honorably restrain you.</p>
<p>This is one we really need to wallow in to find out who and what we really are as a people and a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Bush&#039;s military history is well documented. More importantly, it is not and never has been a focus of his argument for why he should be president.  Further, what ever Bush did in the 1970s, it&#039;s esentially irrelevant because we have a plausible change of life scenario.  Bush got religion, he got sober, and he grew up.  Kerry was politically conscious from the late 1960s through today.  In many ways, that&#039;s more admirable.  But Bush has been the guy he&#039;s running as his whole public career, short though it may be.  Kerry can&#039;t say the same thing.

I&#039;m not sure what it is about Cheney that we&#039;d look into. My point about Kerry&#039;s war protest and Senate career isn&#039;t that there is some scandal to be unearthed, merely that his record as a public citizen does not comport with the image he&#039;s trying to stake out for this election.  Cheney&#039;s political conservatism has been rather consistent for three decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Bush's military history is well documented. More importantly, it is not and never has been a focus of his argument for why he should be president.  Further, what ever Bush did in the 1970s, it's esentially irrelevant because we have a plausible change of life scenario.  Bush got religion, he got sober, and he grew up.  Kerry was politically conscious from the late 1960s through today.  In many ways, that's more admirable.  But Bush has been the guy he's running as his whole public career, short though it may be.  Kerry can't say the same thing.</p>
<p>I'm not sure what it is about Cheney that we'd look into. My point about Kerry's war protest and Senate career isn't that there is some scandal to be unearthed, merely that his record as a public citizen does not comport with the image he's trying to stake out for this election.  Cheney's political conservatism has been rather consistent for three decades.</p>
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		<title>By: QandO</title>
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		<dc:creator>QandO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Birth--and, perhaps, death?--of an Anti-Kerry Ad&lt;/strong&gt;
The New York Times has an article on the Swift Boat Veterans sure to propogate around the blogosphere in short order today. Kerry supporters will write--not unreasonably--that it is a vindication of Kerry, and a refutal of the Swift Boat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Birth--and, perhaps, death?--of an Anti-Kerry Ad</strong><br />
The New York Times has an article on the Swift Boat Veterans sure to propogate around the blogosphere in short order today. Kerry supporters will write--not unreasonably--that it is a vindication of Kerry, and a refutal of the Swift Boat...</p>
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		<title>By: Crack The Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_birth_of_an_anti-kerry_ad/comment-page-1/#comment-22481</link>
		<dc:creator>Crack The Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More Reaction to Times&#039; Swift Boat Coverage&lt;/strong&gt;
As I should have expected Outside the Beltway  has the most thoughtful, balanced perspective on today&#039;s NYT piece on Swift Boat Veterans (including my own rather hysterial response to it below.)   But I&#039;m still fascinated by the inconsistencies uncov...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More Reaction to Times' Swift Boat Coverage</strong><br />
As I should have expected Outside the Beltway  has the most thoughtful, balanced perspective on today's NYT piece on Swift Boat Veterans (including my own rather hysterial response to it below.)   But I'm still fascinated by the inconsistencies uncov...</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting zero-sum game at work here... the more the &#039;Swifties (or the GOP or &#039;Republican Operatives&#039; or whoever...) dig into Kerry&#039;s Vietnam service, the more it&#039;s going to reflect light onto Bush&#039;s service - just you wait, as soon as the Kerry side gets the Swifties accusations under spin control, more questions about Bush&#039;s service records will pop up.

I think this also applies to your last point, James - the more the GOP digs into Kerry&#039;s Senate records and past positions &amp; votes, the more the Dems will dig into Cheney&#039;s history. I think there&#039;s a certain parallel with &#039;detente&#039; here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's an interesting zero-sum game at work here... the more the 'Swifties (or the GOP or 'Republican Operatives' or whoever...) dig into Kerry's Vietnam service, the more it's going to reflect light onto Bush's service - just you wait, as soon as the Kerry side gets the Swifties accusations under spin control, more questions about Bush's service records will pop up.</p>
<p>I think this also applies to your last point, James - the more the GOP digs into Kerry's Senate records and past positions &#038; votes, the more the Dems will dig into Cheney's history. I think there's a certain parallel with 'detente' here...</p>
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		<title>By: Mark the Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark the Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Times Battles the Swift Boat Vets&lt;/strong&gt;
James Joyner has a good roundup of blog commentary regarding today&#039;s New York Times declaration of war against the Swift Boat Vets who dare question Saint Senator Kerry....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Times Battles the Swift Boat Vets</strong><br />
James Joyner has a good roundup of blog commentary regarding today's New York Times declaration of war against the Swift Boat Vets who dare question Saint Senator Kerry....</p>
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		<title>By: Heretical Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heretical Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NYT TAKES ON THE SWIFT BOAT VETS&lt;/strong&gt;
The New York Times has a piece up about the Swift Boat Veterans. It&#039;s filled with a lot of unsurprising, irrelevant information. For example, would you believe that these guys organized? And that, in an election year when they&#039;re criticizing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NYT TAKES ON THE SWIFT BOAT VETS</strong><br />
The New York Times has a piece up about the Swift Boat Veterans. It's filled with a lot of unsurprising, irrelevant information. For example, would you believe that these guys organized? And that, in an election year when they're criticizing...</p>
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