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		<title>By: TJIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paging Dr lithium and Dr. Haldol.  Dr lithium and Dr. haldol please report to Steph&#039;s comment and render assistance.</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 05:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got issues, Steph?  Oh yes you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got issues, Steph?  Oh yes you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO YOU ALL THINK COP KILLING IS GREAT?

WHAT DISGUSTING SLIMEBALL PIECES OF TRASH YOU ARE.

Wow cops come to the wrong house so this worthless subhuman piece of dog dirt is justified in shooting them?

YOU ALL DESERVE TO DIE.  HAve done nothing in your lives and only stop raping kids to post here.

You hate cops.  I hate criminals.

It has nothing to do with the piece of trash&#039;s race.  HE KILLED A COP!

Simple as this.  Let the worthless piece of trash cop killer move next door to you.

PLEASE STOP RAPING KIDS you slimeballs.  EVERY ANTI COP PERSON RAPES KIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO YOU ALL THINK COP KILLING IS GREAT?</p>
<p>WHAT DISGUSTING SLIMEBALL PIECES OF TRASH YOU ARE.</p>
<p>Wow cops come to the wrong house so this worthless subhuman piece of dog dirt is justified in shooting them?</p>
<p>YOU ALL DESERVE TO DIE.  HAve done nothing in your lives and only stop raping kids to post here.</p>
<p>You hate cops.  I hate criminals.</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with the piece of trash's race.  HE KILLED A COP!</p>
<p>Simple as this.  Let the worthless piece of trash cop killer move next door to you.</p>
<p>PLEASE STOP RAPING KIDS you slimeballs.  EVERY ANTI COP PERSON RAPES KIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentry=racist doesn&#039;t get you to jury was racist or even cops=racist.  However, if you can show Gentry was an unreliable informant it might help you get to cops=sloppy.

I read the Balko links.  I was impressed with his actually getting out there and pounding the pavement.  I was less impressed with his amateur speculation about ballistics evidence and harassing of the jurors (just the black ones?)   But, I agree that this is not a case that should have been a death penalty prosecution or verdict, so I wish him good luck in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentry=racist doesn't get you to jury was racist or even cops=racist.  However, if you can show Gentry was an unreliable informant it might help you get to cops=sloppy.</p>
<p>I read the Balko links.  I was impressed with his actually getting out there and pounding the pavement.  I was less impressed with his amateur speculation about ballistics evidence and harassing of the jurors (just the black ones?)   But, I agree that this is not a case that should have been a death penalty prosecution or verdict, so I wish him good luck in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theagitator.com/archives/027059.php#027059&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here you go Slick&lt;/a&gt;.  Why it is almost as if Radley was reading your comments here.  Basically, ther eis no oversight as to what constitutes a &quot;reliable informant&quot;.  You are right that these guys might be skuzzballs in that they are often involved in the nefarious activities they are ratting out.  But if a guy has been reliable say only 25% of the time, then is he really reliable?  Turns out that Judge Kruger&#039;s test of reliability was, &quot;Gentry&#039;s information lead to one previous arrest.&quot;  Nevermind that out of say 100 tips he was right only a handful of times [note, I don&#039;t know how reliable Gentry is, but that goes to issue at hand doesn&#039;t it].

Further, this bit of information Radley got from somebody local is quite telling,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Look, I know this fella and you&#039;re right, he is unreliable and not very credible. Very much a racist. I can&#039;t tell you how many times I have heard &quot;hate niggers&quot; come out of his mouth. Credibility should be thrown right out. Ask Mr. Gentry about his music tapes he has about bashing blacks. I am telling you this man is totally out to get blacks. He has stated in the past he would rat out a &quot;nigger&quot; in a heart beat. He is just a senile old man. Good luck.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, that is who I&#039;d want as an informant when I build a case...and since it was only Gentry that put the cops out there and in Maye&#039;s house, then it looks even worse, IMO.  Is it inflammatory?  Sure as Hell is, but it would be no matter what because it looks very much like Gentry is a good old fashion racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theagitator.com/archives/027059.php#027059" rel="nofollow">Here you go Slick</a>.  Why it is almost as if Radley was reading your comments here.  Basically, ther eis no oversight as to what constitutes a "reliable informant".  You are right that these guys might be skuzzballs in that they are often involved in the nefarious activities they are ratting out.  But if a guy has been reliable say only 25% of the time, then is he really reliable?  Turns out that Judge Kruger's test of reliability was, "Gentry's information lead to one previous arrest."  Nevermind that out of say 100 tips he was right only a handful of times [note, I don't know how reliable Gentry is, but that goes to issue at hand doesn't it].</p>
<p>Further, this bit of information Radley got from somebody local is quite telling,</p>
<blockquote><p>Look, I know this fella and you're right, he is unreliable and not very credible. Very much a racist. I can't tell you how many times I have heard "hate niggers" come out of his mouth. Credibility should be thrown right out. Ask Mr. Gentry about his music tapes he has about bashing blacks. I am telling you this man is totally out to get blacks. He has stated in the past he would rat out a "nigger" in a heart beat. He is just a senile old man. Good luck.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, that is who I'd want as an informant when I build a case...and since it was only Gentry that put the cops out there and in Maye's house, then it looks even worse, IMO.  Is it inflammatory?  Sure as Hell is, but it would be no matter what because it looks very much like Gentry is a good old fashion racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No slick, I don&#039;t think it is just that.  Did you read Balko&#039;s interview with one of the jurors?  The woman clearly had no idea of what reasonable doubt was, indicated that part of the reason she convicted might have been the dislike for Maye&#039;s attorney, etc.  It is pretty scary that a woman like that gets to make this kind of decision.

Then there was the behavior towards the lead attorney.  To call it intimidation is more than a bit of an understatement.  The fact that the real drug dealer they were supposedly after just disappeared.  In most cases where you have a wrong door raid, the actual target is usually arrested, and peacefully, by a couple of cops knocking on the right door and taking the suspect into custody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No slick, I don't think it is just that.  Did you read Balko's interview with one of the jurors?  The woman clearly had no idea of what reasonable doubt was, indicated that part of the reason she convicted might have been the dislike for Maye's attorney, etc.  It is pretty scary that a woman like that gets to make this kind of decision.</p>
<p>Then there was the behavior towards the lead attorney.  To call it intimidation is more than a bit of an understatement.  The fact that the real drug dealer they were supposedly after just disappeared.  In most cases where you have a wrong door raid, the actual target is usually arrested, and peacefully, by a couple of cops knocking on the right door and taking the suspect into custody.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;relevance&quot; is this.  Ten white jurors + Gentry = racist injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the "relevance" is this.  Ten white jurors + Gentry = racist injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slick, I hear ya, but wasn&#039;t Gentry&#039;s the sole evidence (other than the alleged joint at Maye&#039;s place, &amp; don&#039;t those have a way of falling out of cops&#039; pockets?) tying Maye to any drug-dealing at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slick, I hear ya, but wasn't Gentry's the sole evidence (other than the alleged joint at Maye's place, &amp; don't those have a way of falling out of cops' pockets?) tying Maye to any drug-dealing at all?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So while Maye probably should have served some time for the shooting of the officer,&lt;/i&gt;

He shot an illegal, armed intruder.  Give Maye a medal and send him home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So while Maye probably should have served some time for the shooting of the officer,</i></p>
<p>He shot an illegal, armed intruder.  Give Maye a medal and send him home.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think the coverage of this issue is colored too much by underlying attitudes about the &quot;drug war.&quot;  It could have been another crime and the same thing could have happened; warrants aren&#039;t served in drug cases only.  Most warrants rely on a scuzzball because that&#039;s who knows what is going on.

The informant&#039;s race-hate thing is an interesting angle, but the appeal (rimshot!) is as irrational (if less harmful) as the assumed irrationality of the &quot;ten whites&quot; jury who made such a grave decision based on the race of the players.

The police didn&#039;t go to the house that the hater told them to go to.  How is the haters hate especially relevant?  The case against Maye is about what the police and Maye did when they went to the wrong house.  If this was a case against Maye for possessing drugs, the hate might be relevant to the validity of the warrant and, if a judge believed the informant lacked reliability it could lead to the exclusion of the drugs, whether they executed the warrant at the proper address or not, but in the murder case its not relevant.  I suppose you could make an argument in the civil case against the PD that they negligently relied on the informant and this wouln&#039;t have happened but for.

The Gentry hate angle is really inflammatory while it has extremely limited relevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think the coverage of this issue is colored too much by underlying attitudes about the "drug war."  It could have been another crime and the same thing could have happened; warrants aren't served in drug cases only.  Most warrants rely on a scuzzball because that's who knows what is going on.</p>
<p>The informant's race-hate thing is an interesting angle, but the appeal (rimshot!) is as irrational (if less harmful) as the assumed irrationality of the "ten whites" jury who made such a grave decision based on the race of the players.</p>
<p>The police didn't go to the house that the hater told them to go to.  How is the haters hate especially relevant?  The case against Maye is about what the police and Maye did when they went to the wrong house.  If this was a case against Maye for possessing drugs, the hate might be relevant to the validity of the warrant and, if a judge believed the informant lacked reliability it could lead to the exclusion of the drugs, whether they executed the warrant at the proper address or not, but in the murder case its not relevant.  I suppose you could make an argument in the civil case against the PD that they negligently relied on the informant and this wouln't have happened but for.</p>
<p>The Gentry hate angle is really inflammatory while it has extremely limited relevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that goes to the reliability issue.  If the guy isn&#039;t reliable, or gives the wrong information based on race then....</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dead cop was the police chief&#039;s son (both white, of course); it&#039;s in rural Miss. (Prentiss is pretty rural, trust me); 10 whites on the jury.  The death penalty was a given.

In the &quot;good old days,&quot; Maye would&#039;ve been lynched by now.  Who says Miss. hasn&#039;t made progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dead cop was the police chief's son (both white, of course); it's in rural Miss. (Prentiss is pretty rural, trust me); 10 whites on the jury.  The death penalty was a given.</p>
<p>In the "good old days," Maye would've been lynched by now.  Who says Miss. hasn't made progress?</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me for not knowing a lot about this case, but if cops hit the wrong house, what does the informant have to do with anything?

I agree that its not a fact pattern I&#039;d expect for a death penalty case, but I wasn&#039;t on the jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me for not knowing a lot about this case, but if cops hit the wrong house, what does the informant have to do with anything?</p>
<p>I agree that its not a fact pattern I'd expect for a death penalty case, but I wasn't on the jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hope Anderson, is that if they decide he should (have) serve(d) time they&#039;ll take the time he&#039;s already served and let him go.  Of course, that is putting the cart before the horse, but I have to say this result does make me hopeful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hope Anderson, is that if they decide he should (have) serve(d) time they'll take the time he's already served and let him go.  Of course, that is putting the cart before the horse, but I have to say this result does make me hopeful.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m skeptical that Maye should do *any* time; it seems to me very questionable that the cop (the police chief&#039;s son, playing SWAT) properly announced himself.

But since a jury appears to&#039;ve found otherwise, Maye probably will end up doing some time as you say.

Glad to see that Judge Eubanks appears to be doing the right thing thus far; I&#039;ve got a civil case in front of him, tho I can&#039;t pretend to know him, &amp; he&#039;s seemed very fair-minded (even when we didn&#039;t want him to be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm skeptical that Maye should do *any* time; it seems to me very questionable that the cop (the police chief's son, playing SWAT) properly announced himself.</p>
<p>But since a jury appears to've found otherwise, Maye probably will end up doing some time as you say.</p>
<p>Glad to see that Judge Eubanks appears to be doing the right thing thus far; I've got a civil case in front of him, tho I can't pretend to know him, &amp; he's seemed very fair-minded (even when we didn't want him to be).</p>
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