Today's winner is Hizbollah....

OK now show me where the "MSM" refers to Hezbollah as "liberating heroes". That was the topic of my post. I notice you were unable to supply any examples.

And yes, I do think the deaths of any civilians is tragic. I don't give a crap if they are Arab, Israeli, or Martian. A kid getting blown to bits is a tragedy.

That's one word? Actually, Hitler wasn't half Jew either. There's been some speculation that one of his grandfathers was Jewish and that would make him a quarter jewish descent if true. The evidence is thin. The rest of your tirade rests on just as flimsy a footing.

The Irgun and Lehi were defending themselves and their people against the Isamofascist threat pure and simple What, by bombing and assasinating Brits?

till think Israel has no right to exist and by extent ion no right to defend itself? I've never said this nor have I ever defended Islamofascism. In fact, not many days ago I wrote a post recommending assasination as a tactical tool instead of bombing. I don't fit in the box you want me too. Please don't paint me with the broad brush of your prejudices.

Bob,
No, Hizboullah doesn't get a pass from me. I would be more than happy to see Hizboullah finished as a force in the ME and I have condemned their violence (and those of other terror groups) in posts at my blog. I just don't happen to think the neocon's preferred paradigm of third generational warfare is the right way to accomplish beating a fourth generation enemy. In fact, it does the reverse - losing by winning. Then, to justify their failure to accomplish anything real when they win individual battles, the users of that paradigm have to keep pushing the boat out with ridiculously unrealistic arguments like "there are no true civilians if you've warned them two hours before" or "the problem is we don't kill enough". If people couldn't get out of the way of Katrina in a first world nation, what makes you think everyone will be able to get out of the way of airstrikes in, effectively, a third world one? The knock-on effect is familiar from many other theatres- hostility and fresh recruits bolster the 4thGW adversary.

As an aside, I personally think the Geneva Conventions need revised and updated to account for fights with 4thGW enemies. What those revisions would look like is another debate though.

Regards, Cernig

Can I still be anti-semitic if I named my youngest son after my best friend the local Cantor? I'm not sure that I can. I will have to ask him. Trouble is, he agrees with me. Can a Jewish Cantor be an anti-semite too?

In a word? Yes there have always been those who hate themselves through out history just look at the Jewish left in this country or did you know Adolf Hitler was half Jew? Have you received the clue yet? The Irgun and Lehi were defending themselves and their people against the Isamofascist threat pure and simple you would know this if you did not have a selective reading of history like all those on your side of the argument and tell me exactly what homeland are the hezzies fighting for? Last time I checked Israel had been out of Lebanon since 2000 as I recall and if I use your logic none of the Arab states are legitimate since they were all created by mandate except Egypt, remember the Ottoman empire? Strawman nah the only strawmen around here are your and the others like you. One last point you and those like you better get a clue and understand what Israel and the rest of western civilization are fighting here, to the Isamofascists you and anyone that does not see things their way are cattle pure and simple. Don't believe me? Listen to it in Nasrallah's and the other Islamofascist leaders own words on video go to this LINK hope you have a high speed Internet connection the film is about an hour and 17 minutes long. I am really sorry you have to lose your utopian world view but you will be better for it my friend.

The Geneva Convention specifically prohibits a combatant from mixing his forces among civilians. The onus is clearly on the defender to keep his forces separate from civilians. If he mixes with civilians and fires upon his enemy, those forces remain a legitimate target and any civilian facilities those forces are using lose their protetced status. In other words, it's a war crime. Where's the outcry against that?

Does Hezbollah get a pass just because they're fighting Israelis?

Can I still be anti-semitic if I named my youngest son after my best friend the local Cantor? I'm not sure that I can. I will have to ask him. Trouble is, he agrees with me. Can a Jewish Cantor be an anti-semite too?

Maybe I'm just someone who thinks logic is an important part of advancing an argument, eh? Right now, I don't think you do.

Cernig

THE NEWS IS filled these days with reports of civilian casualties, comparative civilian body counts and criticism of Israel, along with Hezbollah, for causing the deaths, injuries and "collective punishment" of civilians. But just who is a "civilian" in the age of terrorism, when militants don't wear uniforms, don't belong to regular armies and easily blend into civilian populations?

and again:

There is a vast difference � both moral and legal � between a 2-year-old who is killed by an enemy rocket and a 30-year-old civilian who has allowed his house to be used to store Katyusha rockets. Both are technically civilians, but the former is far more innocent than the latter. There is also a difference between a civilian who merely favors or even votes for a terrorist group and one who provides financial or other material support for terrorism.

The writer is Alan Dershowitz.

A tragic situation? Civilains being killed? WHich civilians are those... Do you mean you mean the civilians who are being warned to vacate the area by the Israelis before the airstrikes commence? You DO mean THOSE civilians, don't you?

If you're suggesting the UN step in, take another look at the UN's resolution 1559, and tell me how well those goals were met..What can be done now that wasn't done then?

And it's a little late for Lebenon to be claiming that they are not Hezbolah, when they have Hezbolah in their government.

Here is a video of the leaflets that were dropped in Qana and it turns out over 150 missiles have been fired from Qana and the IDF had been shelling and bombing it for days which leads to the question what were the civilians doing there? Here is the LINK.

Time to remember the Irgun and Lehi terror groups of the forties perhaps?
It amazes me that neocon cheerleaders can so blithely talk about double standards, about hiding among civilians, about proportionality, and forget the past at the same time. Here�s the Irgun
Posted by Cernig at July 30, 2006 15:47

Oh yeah lets play history clue bat!
Lets see do you recall cernig the grand mufti of Jerusalem? Do you recall he was Hitlers pet lapdog? Or that Hitler let him know about the "final solution" before anyone else? How about the muslim SS Panzer brigades (which by the way were all volunteers)? Link here with pictures OH YEAH!! Or how about the FACT that the majority of the population of the ME was Christian and Jew until the religion of piece came along I wonder where they all went? Here is a link to the true story of the Crusades. It amazes me when you anti-semitic LIBS/Buchananites/isolationists try to have a selective view of history in order to push your agenda. It really is most amusing. Want to see what your future is if you keep supporting islamic fascist terrorist's like Hezzbuttah and hamas? Here is a LINK.

Time to remember the Irgun and Lehi terror groups of the forties perhaps?
It amazes me that neocon cheerleaders can so blithely talk about double standards, about hiding among civilians, about proportionality, and forget the past at the same time. Here�s the Irgun Conundrum:
If neocon policy had always been followed would the state of Israel even exist in its modern form?
And the answer is, of course, �No�.
Regards, Cernig
Posted by Cernig at July 30, 2006 15:47

Oh yeah lets play history clue bat!
Lets see do you recall cernig the grand mufti of Jerusalem? Do you recall he was Hitlers pet lapdog? Or that Hitler let him know about the "final solution" before anyone else? How about the muslim SS Panzer brigades (which by the way were all volunteers)? Link here with pictures OH YEAH!! Or how about the FACT that the majority of the population of the ME was Christian and Jew until the religion of piece came along I wonder where they all went? Here is a link to the true story of the Crusades. It amazes me when you anti-semitic LIBS/Buchananites/isolationists try to have a selective view of history in order to push your agenda. It really is most amusing. Want to see what your future is if you keep supporting islamic fascist terrorist's like Hezzbuttah and hamas? Here is a LINK.