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		<title>By: cut on the bias</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_end_of_network_news_washingtonpostcom/comment-page-1/#comment-23741</link>
		<dc:creator>cut on the bias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The latest on Rathergate&lt;/strong&gt;
Instapundit has a roundup of links, including a devastating piece from the Washington Post that lays out the case for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The latest on Rathergate</strong><br />
Instapundit has a roundup of links, including a devastating piece from the Washington Post that lays out the case for...</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_end_of_network_news_washingtonpostcom/comment-page-1/#comment-23716</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the docs were released from the White House by an administrative person whose orders were, &quot;if it pertains to TANG, release it.&quot; I doubt they were ever scrutinized by anyone there at all. As I understand it, most of the people in that building have real jobs. They aren&#039;t as obsessed with events 30 years ago as the Democratic Party presumes swing voters are.

That&#039;s the beautiiful thing about all of this: no one cares. Rather and CBS just jettisoned their credibility for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the docs were released from the White House by an administrative person whose orders were, "if it pertains to TANG, release it." I doubt they were ever scrutinized by anyone there at all. As I understand it, most of the people in that building have real jobs. They aren't as obsessed with events 30 years ago as the Democratic Party presumes swing voters are.</p>
<p>That's the beautiiful thing about all of this: no one cares. Rather and CBS just jettisoned their credibility for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Signifying Nothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signifying Nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dumb&lt;/strong&gt;
Dean Esmay is right; anyone speculating in public over the identity of the &#8220;memo forger&#8221; without evidence is (a) an idiot and more importantly (b) doing the exact same crap CBS pulled in the first place&#8212;making charges based on stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dumb</strong><br />
Dean Esmay is right; anyone speculating in public over the identity of the &#8220;memo forger&#8221; without evidence is (a) an idiot and more importantly (b) doing the exact same crap CBS pulled in the first place&#8212;making charges based on stuff...</p>
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		<title>By: BigFire</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigFire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: KGB

When your enemies are doing their best to commit suicide, best leave them alone and allow them to finish the job.  I&#039;m fairly positive that White House knew it was fake the moment they look at it.  Why should they stop the world from seeing what it really is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: KGB</p>
<p>When your enemies are doing their best to commit suicide, best leave them alone and allow them to finish the job.  I'm fairly positive that White House knew it was fake the moment they look at it.  Why should they stop the world from seeing what it really is?</p>
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		<title>By: The KGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>The KGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the real story is being missed in all of this.... What did the White House do when CBS faxed them these new, never before seen documents......without checking them out on their own, they released them to the media. I think that goes to show that GWB is not trying to cover anything up. 
He released these documents as soon as he got them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real story is being missed in all of this.... What did the White House do when CBS faxed them these new, never before seen documents......without checking them out on their own, they released them to the media. I think that goes to show that GWB is not trying to cover anything up.<br />
He released these documents as soon as he got them!</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s safe to say that nothing is ever without its down side.

The question is how you respond to it, and how good you are at identifying it as soon as you see it.

Marriage is wonderful, but it requires constant compromises and losses of certain types of freedom.

Doubly so for kids, unless you suck as a parent.

Cars have made us a lot more free. But cars can kill us. So can electricity.

Maybe it&#039;s a restatement of the old adage: &quot;There&#039;s no such thing as a free lunch.&quot; Nothing is ever without its costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's safe to say that nothing is ever without its down side.</p>
<p>The question is how you respond to it, and how good you are at identifying it as soon as you see it.</p>
<p>Marriage is wonderful, but it requires constant compromises and losses of certain types of freedom.</p>
<p>Doubly so for kids, unless you suck as a parent.</p>
<p>Cars have made us a lot more free. But cars can kill us. So can electricity.</p>
<p>Maybe it's a restatement of the old adage: "There's no such thing as a free lunch." Nothing is ever without its costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just something about &#039;wstful&#039; set me off on a line of thought I&#039;d already been working on for a couple days.


I guess a question that could be explored at this point is if, in fact, lacking such a pied piper, we do in the long term actually become more fragmented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just something about 'wstful' set me off on a line of thought I'd already been working on for a couple days.</p>
<p>I guess a question that could be explored at this point is if, in fact, lacking such a pied piper, we do in the long term actually become more fragmented.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BH:  Umm, that&#039;s what I said.

The downside of multiple voices is that we don&#039;t have that shared national experience.  As big as InstaPundit is, the vast majority of the public has never heard of it, let alone read it.  

The same is true for the fact that there is no longer the equivalent of a M*A*S*H, which almost everyone watched.  It&#039;s better in most ways that people can watch shows tailored for them instead but it comes at a modest price.

Fragmentation isn&#039;t 100% good but is preferable to limited choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BH:  Umm, that's what I said.</p>
<p>The downside of multiple voices is that we don't have that shared national experience.  As big as InstaPundit is, the vast majority of the public has never heard of it, let alone read it.  </p>
<p>The same is true for the fact that there is no longer the equivalent of a M*A*S*H, which almost everyone watched.  It's better in most ways that people can watch shows tailored for them instead but it comes at a modest price.</p>
<p>Fragmentation isn't 100% good but is preferable to limited choice.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn Barber's Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Shawn Barber's Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogging Matt Drudge&lt;/strong&gt;
 Revolution --- A sudden or momentous change in a situation.

I moved to the Washington, D.C. area in January 1998. I was staying with a friend while I searched for a job and an apartment, and I was fixated on that. I wasn&#039;t into the Internet at the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogging Matt Drudge</strong><br />
 Revolution --- A sudden or momentous change in a situation.</p>
<p>I moved to the Washington, D.C. area in January 1998. I was staying with a friend while I searched for a job and an apartment, and I was fixated on that. I wasn't into the Internet at the...</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Power corrupts. So in terms of getting facts, we&#039;re better off. But I think we all wonder whether society is going to become more fragmented as a result of this trend.

And, like Bithead, I&#039;ve been curious about just &lt;a href=http://littlemissattila.mu.nu/archives/045511.php&gt;how high a price we&#039;ve paid&lt;/a&gt; over the last several decades for that seeming unity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Power corrupts. So in terms of getting facts, we're better off. But I think we all wonder whether society is going to become more fragmented as a result of this trend.</p>
<p>And, like Bithead, I've been curious about just <a href=http://littlemissattila.mu.nu/archives/045511.php>how high a price we've paid</a> over the last several decades for that seeming unity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m somewhat taken aback by your last &#039;graph... which seemingly was tossed of before really thinking the implications through.

Wistful?
Hell, man, I&#039;m THANKFUL that no such &#039;unifier&#039; exists... Because without the side checking, we&#039;d never know what kind of unity we were dedicating ourselves to.

Many times in the past I have suggested that the example of left wing bias that is Dan Rather is not limited to him but is endemic to the breed of cockroach that infests West 57th. If Rather is biased, and the org behind him, (And I think the idea that both are so is unquestionable)... what indication do we have that Cronkite was not, when he ran the show.. particularly given Cronkite&#039;s more recent history?

Can you *imagine* what kind of chance the truth would have, had Dan Rather been the smooth talker that Cronkite was? Can you, for example, see the kind of questions we now see being raised about Rather&#039;s bias, and his truthfulness  in general, and these forged Bush/Guard documents in particular, 30 years ago, when Cronkite ran the show? I know I can&#039;t.

Granted that most of the current problems rather has involves fact checking by the Internet. But such fact checking would be harder to get started, I think, if Rather had the Cronkite Pipe and Slippers aura.

Then again, perhaps the cross checking done by the net of today, would have prevented that aura from taking on the stature that it did. Which to my mind raises some degree of question about the history of the 60&#039;s. Think; Conkite, since his retirement, has exposed himself as a far leftist, which more or less confirmed our mostly unspoken (at that time) fear about the MSM. 

One wonders, then, if the man didn&#039;t succeed is inflicting more damage on us than he might have, when he was on the air, had he been a less capable communicator. Since the victors write the history books, (and in the context of the US, the Intelligencia is unabashedly leftist, they also are the ones who *teach* history) we may never really know.

In any event, it seems to me trust of the MSM in the future will be earned at a much higher price. And I don&#039;t see any one individual able to claim that particular crown.

Given what we&#039;ve had with such royalty in the past, I can&#039;t say I&#039;m displeased at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm somewhat taken aback by your last 'graph... which seemingly was tossed of before really thinking the implications through.</p>
<p>Wistful?<br />
Hell, man, I'm THANKFUL that no such 'unifier' exists... Because without the side checking, we'd never know what kind of unity we were dedicating ourselves to.</p>
<p>Many times in the past I have suggested that the example of left wing bias that is Dan Rather is not limited to him but is endemic to the breed of cockroach that infests West 57th. If Rather is biased, and the org behind him, (And I think the idea that both are so is unquestionable)... what indication do we have that Cronkite was not, when he ran the show.. particularly given Cronkite's more recent history?</p>
<p>Can you *imagine* what kind of chance the truth would have, had Dan Rather been the smooth talker that Cronkite was? Can you, for example, see the kind of questions we now see being raised about Rather's bias, and his truthfulness  in general, and these forged Bush/Guard documents in particular, 30 years ago, when Cronkite ran the show? I know I can't.</p>
<p>Granted that most of the current problems rather has involves fact checking by the Internet. But such fact checking would be harder to get started, I think, if Rather had the Cronkite Pipe and Slippers aura.</p>
<p>Then again, perhaps the cross checking done by the net of today, would have prevented that aura from taking on the stature that it did. Which to my mind raises some degree of question about the history of the 60's. Think; Conkite, since his retirement, has exposed himself as a far leftist, which more or less confirmed our mostly unspoken (at that time) fear about the MSM. </p>
<p>One wonders, then, if the man didn't succeed is inflicting more damage on us than he might have, when he was on the air, had he been a less capable communicator. Since the victors write the history books, (and in the context of the US, the Intelligencia is unabashedly leftist, they also are the ones who *teach* history) we may never really know.</p>
<p>In any event, it seems to me trust of the MSM in the future will be earned at a much higher price. And I don't see any one individual able to claim that particular crown.</p>
<p>Given what we've had with such royalty in the past, I can't say I'm displeased at all.</p>
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