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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_impossibility_of_an_export-driven_recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-989129</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One wonders what the initial steps in, say, a fifteen year program to wean us off the current situation would entail. Grasping for the obvious, one can muse about a huge US R&amp;D effort to open up new technologies/products. But we don&#039;t seem to have an entrepreneur friendly administration in place......for at least the next 4 years. Not optimistic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The 1960s were a time of great innovation, and high tax, quite &quot;unfriendly&quot; by modern (fiscally irresponsible) standards.

Indeed, despite your earlier reference to deficit, I think the only &quot;friendly&quot; strategy in the post Grover Nordquist era is one that we can&#039;t actually afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One wonders what the initial steps in, say, a fifteen year program to wean us off the current situation would entail. Grasping for the obvious, one can muse about a huge US R&amp;D effort to open up new technologies/products. But we don't seem to have an entrepreneur friendly administration in place......for at least the next 4 years. Not optimistic.</p></blockquote>
<p>The 1960s were a time of great innovation, and high tax, quite "unfriendly" by modern (fiscally irresponsible) standards.</p>
<p>Indeed, despite your earlier reference to deficit, I think the only "friendly" strategy in the post Grover Nordquist era is one that we can't actually afford.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Hyperbole, eh?  I, of course, would never do that. (snicker)

&quot;However, I do think that it could be possible under the right circumstances for exports to play a role in recovery and I&#039;d like to see our economy diversify away from consumer consumption as its nearly singular driver towards exports and business spending.&quot;

This is a huge topic in and of itself.  Perhaps for exchange over at GE.

As a first salvo:  given the US govt deficit - increasing as far as the eye can see - and China&#039;s internal demographic issues, can changing the relatively low consumption/saving/export economic models of China and Japan be a real option with the US in such great need of financing?

One wonders what the initial steps in, say, a fifteen year program to wean us off the current situation would entail.  Grasping for the obvious, one can muse about a huge US R&amp;D effort to open up new technologies/products.  But we don&#039;t seem to have an entrepreneur friendly administration in place......for at least the next 4 years.  Not optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>Hyperbole, eh?  I, of course, would never do that. (snicker)</p>
<p>"However, I do think that it could be possible under the right circumstances for exports to play a role in recovery and I'd like to see our economy diversify away from consumer consumption as its nearly singular driver towards exports and business spending."</p>
<p>This is a huge topic in and of itself.  Perhaps for exchange over at GE.</p>
<p>As a first salvo:  given the US govt deficit - increasing as far as the eye can see - and China's internal demographic issues, can changing the relatively low consumption/saving/export economic models of China and Japan be a real option with the US in such great need of financing?</p>
<p>One wonders what the initial steps in, say, a fifteen year program to wean us off the current situation would entail.  Grasping for the obvious, one can muse about a huge US R&amp;D effort to open up new technologies/products.  But we don't seem to have an entrepreneur friendly administration in place......for at least the next 4 years.  Not optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, my title overstated the case for effect.  No, I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll have an export-driven recovery.  I don&#039;t think that China or Japan will have an export-driven recovery, either, but that&#039;s a slightly different subject.

However, I do think that it could be possible under the right circumstances for exports to play a role in recovery and I&#039;d like to see our economy diversify away from consumer consumption as its nearly singular driver towards exports and business spending.  

If there is to be a recovery at all it&#039;s got to be based on something.  Given a reasonable exchange rate I think that exports is part of a possible basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew, my title overstated the case for effect.  No, I don't think we'll have an export-driven recovery.  I don't think that China or Japan will have an export-driven recovery, either, but that's a slightly different subject.</p>
<p>However, I do think that it could be possible under the right circumstances for exports to play a role in recovery and I'd like to see our economy diversify away from consumer consumption as its nearly singular driver towards exports and business spending.  </p>
<p>If there is to be a recovery at all it's got to be based on something.  Given a reasonable exchange rate I think that exports is part of a possible basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odo -

Correct:  The increase in free capital flows is the key to the current wave (25 years) of &quot;globalization,&quot; not goods.  A nice read is The World is Curved.

Dave - But you didn&#039;t really think export was a US option, right?  Wait &#039;till the Euro&#039;s fix their banking system.  Think the Saudis will want to price oil in Euros?  The dollar will continue (relatively) strong.  

I think the Financial Times piece by Wolf you posted at Glittering a few weeks ago makes this basic distinction between Japan&#039;s export opportunity in the 90&#039;s vs us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odo -</p>
<p>Correct:  The increase in free capital flows is the key to the current wave (25 years) of "globalization," not goods.  A nice read is The World is Curved.</p>
<p>Dave - But you didn't really think export was a US option, right?  Wait 'till the Euro's fix their banking system.  Think the Saudis will want to price oil in Euros?  The dollar will continue (relatively) strong.  </p>
<p>I think the Financial Times piece by Wolf you posted at Glittering a few weeks ago makes this basic distinction between Japan's export opportunity in the 90's vs us.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;China ended its policy of autarky in 1979, India in 1991.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But in both cases (1920&#039;s and now) it coincides with a global debt boom - cue the Drew/Odo &quot;deleveraging&quot; story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>China ended its policy of autarky in 1979, India in 1991.</p></blockquote>
<p>But in both cases (1920's and now) it coincides with a global debt boom - cue the Drew/Odo "deleveraging" story</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Foreign Policy Blogging at OTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Foreign Policy Blogging at OTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China ended its policy of autarky in 1979, India in 1991.  That might have something to do with the increase in trade since the 1990&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China ended its policy of autarky in 1979, India in 1991.  That might have something to do with the increase in trade since the 1990's.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I looked it up.  Using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freetrade.org/files/images/Exports%20and%20Imports%20as%20a%20share%20of%20GDP,%201900-2006.bmp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;imports and exports as a percentage of GDP&lt;/a&gt;, we only passed the 20&#039;s levels in the late 90&#039;s.  Other measures could be created of course, including non-trade financial exchanges.

It&#039;s kind of a worrisome parallel perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I looked it up.  Using <a href="http://www.freetrade.org/files/images/Exports%20and%20Imports%20as%20a%20share%20of%20GDP,%201900-2006.bmp" rel="nofollow">imports and exports as a percentage of GDP</a>, we only passed the 20's levels in the late 90's.  Other measures could be created of course, including non-trade financial exchanges.</p>
<p>It's kind of a worrisome parallel perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some have said that periods in the past (maybe even the 1920s?) were more globalized than today.  For all that we think we are globalized, trade as percentages of GDP have long been large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some have said that periods in the past (maybe even the 1920s?) were more globalized than today.  For all that we think we are globalized, trade as percentages of GDP have long been large.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I think this is going to finish globalism as we knew if for at least a generation if not more. All those countries that bought into global trade as their model for development are going to be really gun shy about returning to it without a lot of changes.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d certainly be open to entertaining a more complete argument on that scores, DC Loser, but, frankly, I doubt it.  For India, China, Singapore, South Korea, and scores of other countries, it&#039;s the only game in town.</description>
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I think this is going to finish globalism as we knew if for at least a generation if not more. All those countries that bought into global trade as their model for development are going to be really gun shy about returning to it without a lot of changes.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I'd certainly be open to entertaining a more complete argument on that scores, DC Loser, but, frankly, I doubt it.  For India, China, Singapore, South Korea, and scores of other countries, it's the only game in town.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, there&#039;s more:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aZ1kcJ7y3LDM&amp;refer=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;March 9 (Bloomberg)&lt;/a&gt; -- The value of global financial assets including stocks, bonds and currencies probably fell by more than $50 trillion in 2008, equivalent to a year of world gross domestic product, according to an Asian Development Bank report.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, there's more:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aZ1kcJ7y3LDM&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow">March 9 (Bloomberg)</a> -- The value of global financial assets including stocks, bonds and currencies probably fell by more than $50 trillion in 2008, equivalent to a year of world gross domestic product, according to an Asian Development Bank report.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is going to finish globalism as we knew if for at least a generation if not more.  All those countries that bought into global trade as their model for development are going to be really gun shy about returning to it without a lot of changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is going to finish globalism as we knew if for at least a generation if not more.  All those countries that bought into global trade as their model for development are going to be really gun shy about returning to it without a lot of changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s important to look at the situation from a global perspective.  For us a serious economic downturn may be painful but for countries (and there are a lot of them) teetering on the brink of penury it could be disastrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's important to look at the situation from a global perspective.  For us a serious economic downturn may be painful but for countries (and there are a lot of them) teetering on the brink of penury it could be disastrous.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were ever going title a blog post with the F-Bomb, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2009/03/09/negative-global-growth?tid=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it would be for this one:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The World Bank&#039;s pronouncement over the weekend is sobering:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The global economy is likely to shrink this year for the first time since World War Two, with growth at least 5 percentage points below potential.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I won&#039;t grind anyone behind the curve on calling this contraction, but I&#039;ll hope they&#039;ll spend a few moments in introspection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were ever going title a blog post with the F-Bomb, <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/market-movers/2009/03/09/negative-global-growth?tid=true" rel="nofollow">it would be for this one:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The World Bank's pronouncement over the weekend is sobering:</p>
<blockquote><p>The global economy is likely to shrink this year for the first time since World War Two, with growth at least 5 percentage points below potential.</p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>I won't grind anyone behind the curve on calling this contraction, but I'll hope they'll spend a few moments in introspection.</p>
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