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I was just listening to a podcast with a recording of one of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean's frenzied speeches, where he is shouting like a man posessed, in an attempt to whip up the crowd into a frenzy.The kind of demagogue speec...

"Dean's take on Iraq makes even less sense than the scream in Iowa: Both are uninformed and unhelpful". Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.) is very harsh, but according to the Washington Post, he is not the only Democrat to fear that his leaders' rhetorical ...

You could look at the map and see that we were moving across the Pacific or across Africa and Europe. Even a "quagmire" like Guadalcanal lasted ... (consults Wiki) 6 months.

In Iraq, we see 10 soldiers killed here, 2 there, etc., with very little indication of progress. It's an occupation, not a "war."

So maybe the relevant point is that America doesn't do occupations very well?

Is your grasp of history this bad? The war in the pacific didn’t go well for us at all initially. And in Europe and Africa there were set backs a-plenty.

The war in the Pacific was turned around a mere 7 months after Pearl, at Midway. And I beg to differ re: Europe and Africa; besides our fiasco at Kasserine Pass, when did we ever lose to the Germans?

There is nothing in WW2, on America's part, comparable to the incompetence in the Iraq war and its aftermath. You have to look at Hitler and Tojo, or Gamelin, to find anyone as incompetent as Bush and Rumsfeld.

Posted by Steve

What about a president who lied about, well, just about everything, to get a war to gain political power?

Have you considered the Democrats who just think the war is immoral & wrong?

Sure, Liberman is one. But this sword also cuts both ways. Couldn't the same be said for Bush?

Personally, I find the deaths of innocent Iraqis in a war which we started to be as great a tragedy as the deaths of innocent Americans at the hands of terrorists.

I think it is rather telling that you don't see a difference.

Not to mention the deaths of our servicemen and the danger to our country as a result of the distraction the Iraq has caused in dealing with capturing or killing Bin Laden, finishing the job in Afghinastan and improving security here at home. We are failing in all three of these areas.

This all well and good, but there is also the fact that we are there now. Cutting and running isn't a very palatable solution since it under cuts at least one of your positions above.

Anderson,

Steve, if the White House were doing a great job and the Dems were carping nonetheless, then it would indeed appear to be “partisan political advantage” at work. When we’re confronted with that scenario, buzz me.

Is your grasp of history this bad? The war in the pacific didn't go well for us at all initially. And in Europe and Africa there were set backs a-plenty. Given the inability of the U.S. public to abide by such casualties and the current tendency to exploit anything an everything for partisan gain, I stand by my position.

As it is, what do we call Republicans who insist that the whole thing has gone splendidly and that no mistakes of substance have been made?

Fools. Did you read the Drezner link? Go try it. Please. Drezner argues that there were plenty of mistakes made by the Bush Administration, but that cutting and running just isn't a viable long term solution. Constructive criticism of the past is one thing, saying we need to retreat completely is another.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean is drawing GOP fire after telling a Texas radio s

As it is, what do we call Republicans who insist that the whole thing has gone splendidly and that no mistakes of substance have been made?

Have you considered the Democrats who just think the war is immoral & wrong?

Personally, I find the deaths of innocent Iraqis in a war which we started to be as great a tragedy as the deaths of innocent Americans at the hands of terrorists.

Not to mention the deaths of our servicemen and the danger to our country as a result of the distraction the Iraq has caused in dealing with capturing or killing Bin Laden, finishing the job in Afghinastan and improving security here at home. We are failing in all three of these areas.

Given a similar war today, and a White House that didn’t seek to cast the opposition party as traitors, I’m sure America would rise to the challenge.

While I'm sympathetic to this kind of problem, what about an opposition party that would try to use the war as a way to gain partisan political advantage?

And yes, my feelings about WWII aren't because the war was "conventional", but because there'd be continuous news reports about large numbers of casualties. We don't have that with Iraq, and yet the public has already gone weak in the knees. Toss in casualty numbers similar to WWII and my guess is the American public would have a complete bowel prolapse.

Two reasons why I think this:

One, the secretary of Bush's CO said their content reflected the CO's thinking.

Two, the first 2 or 3 days after the story broke. Remember the White House's denials? Me neither. I think history will show they were scared to death that somebody had the goods.

Yet, via CBS's incompetence, Burkett's dishonesty, and the media's attention span, the whole thing got turned into an exoneration of Bush. If I thought Rove were smart enough to have cooked the whole thing up, I'd call for a Nobel Prize in Politics to be created & awarded to him.

Later that year, he asked for and received permission to leave the Guard early so he could attend Harvard Business School.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp

Maybe the National Review is a pinko, far left, MSM, terror symp publication...

Did you watch the debates during the last election? Bush bragged on national television about how he "made a deal with the military" to get out of the guard so he could go to Harvard.

At least Bush actually put a uniform on before he bailed, more then you can say for Cheney, Runsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Rush, Hannity, Savage...