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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_mandate_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-520762</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James (not Joyner), you don&#039;t even seem to know what card-check is, so I&#039;d be a little more circumspect in calling other people unbelievably misinformed.  And perhaps you are unaware of the number of private providers that will no longer accept Medicare or Medicaid because of the government mandated compensation levels.

Frankly, you seem to be quite believably misinformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James (not Joyner), you don't even seem to know what card-check is, so I'd be a little more circumspect in calling other people unbelievably misinformed.  And perhaps you are unaware of the number of private providers that will no longer accept Medicare or Medicaid because of the government mandated compensation levels.</p>
<p>Frankly, you seem to be quite believably misinformed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_mandate_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-520740</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Steve Benen strongly rejects the caution by Doug Schoen that “This election is not a mandate for Democratic policies. Rather, it is a wholesale rejection of the policies of George W. Bush, Republicans, and to a lesser extent, John McCain.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of COURSE he does.
(sigh)

Frankly, James, I stopped taking Benen seriously some months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Steve Benen strongly rejects the caution by Doug Schoen that “This election is not a mandate for Democratic policies. Rather, it is a wholesale rejection of the policies of George W. Bush, Republicans, and to a lesser extent, John McCain.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Of COURSE he does.<br />
(sigh)</p>
<p>Frankly, James, I stopped taking Benen seriously some months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///And WTH is this &quot;card check&quot;? Where the hell do you get this kind of looney crap?

&lt;i&gt;Are you really asking this?

The unions have been pressuring for this since the democrats took over congress, and there are a lot of congress members who support it and it is on Pelosi&#039;s agenda to pass at some point. &lt;/i&gt;

You are just unbelievably misinformed.  Are you talking about some kind of mandated union membership or something? That is so completely preposterous that I can&#039;t even imagine where you are hearing this kind of looney idea.  You have no idea what you are talking about. Believe me when I tell you that mandatory union cards aren&#039;t on ANYONE&#039;s so-called agenda.  

Perhaps if you widened the scope of your reading material you would not only benefit yourself, but you would not be further discrediting your Republican Party as the party of the willingly misinformed and intentionally obtuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///And WTH is this "card check"? Where the hell do you get this kind of looney crap?</p>
<p><i>Are you really asking this?</p>
<p>The unions have been pressuring for this since the democrats took over congress, and there are a lot of congress members who support it and it is on Pelosi's agenda to pass at some point. </i></p>
<p>You are just unbelievably misinformed.  Are you talking about some kind of mandated union membership or something? That is so completely preposterous that I can't even imagine where you are hearing this kind of looney idea.  You have no idea what you are talking about. Believe me when I tell you that mandatory union cards aren't on ANYONE's so-called agenda.  </p>
<p>Perhaps if you widened the scope of your reading material you would not only benefit yourself, but you would not be further discrediting your Republican Party as the party of the willingly misinformed and intentionally obtuse.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And WTH is this &quot;card check&quot;? Where the hell do you get this kind of looney crap?&lt;/em&gt;

Are you really asking this?

The unions have been pressuring for this since the democrats took over congress, and there are a lot of congress members who support it and it is on Pelosi&#039;s agenda to pass at some point.  

The question is if Obama is given a bill does he sign it?  And will it be wise?  Actually I think that is the real question-what kinds of bills will his democratic congress send him and what is he going to veto because it is too far to the left?  My bet is he pulls a GWB and loses the veto pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And WTH is this "card check"? Where the hell do you get this kind of looney crap?</em></p>
<p>Are you really asking this?</p>
<p>The unions have been pressuring for this since the democrats took over congress, and there are a lot of congress members who support it and it is on Pelosi's agenda to pass at some point.  </p>
<p>The question is if Obama is given a bill does he sign it?  And will it be wise?  Actually I think that is the real question-what kinds of bills will his democratic congress send him and what is he going to veto because it is too far to the left?  My bet is he pulls a GWB and loses the veto pen.</p>
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		<title>By: capital L</title>
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		<dc:creator>capital L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Suppose Obama wins 350+ electoral votes and 53% of 170 million votes, plus the Dems pick up 7-8 seats in the Senate and 20 in the House.

Will that constitute a mandate, or will you reiterate Schoen&#039;s spin?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, talk about missing the point.  If a Republican won 53% of the vote, would you proclaim that a mandate? Or would you point out that 47% of the voters were against said Republican?  I suspect you&#039;d do the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"Suppose Obama wins 350+ electoral votes and 53% of 170 million votes, plus the Dems pick up 7-8 seats in the Senate and 20 in the House.</p>
<p>Will that constitute a mandate, or will you reiterate Schoen's spin?"</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, talk about missing the point.  If a Republican won 53% of the vote, would you proclaim that a mandate? Or would you point out that 47% of the voters were against said Republican?  I suspect you'd do the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not be surprised to see Obama tack to the middle to a greater degree than expected. He&#039;s smart, and he knows that Clinton and Reagan were both very successful governing more towards the center. Both men had some core beliefs that tilted  left and right respectively, but they were pragmatic. Its a good approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not be surprised to see Obama tack to the middle to a greater degree than expected. He's smart, and he knows that Clinton and Reagan were both very successful governing more towards the center. Both men had some core beliefs that tilted  left and right respectively, but they were pragmatic. Its a good approach.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The biggest mistake Obama can do is take office and pass something like card check-or even a sweeping legislation that nationalizes healthcare. &lt;/i&gt;

My God man. Where do you rightwingers &lt;i&gt;get&lt;/i&gt; this stuff? No serious politician, including Obama, is proposing anything remotely like &quot;nationalizing healthcare.&quot; For two long years the discussion has been about extending health INSURANCE and how to do that; health INSURANCE through existing private health INSURERS, mind you, providing health care through private health PROVIDERS. Even Medicaid and Medicare do that. 

And WTH is this &quot;card check&quot;? Where the hell do you &lt;i&gt;get&lt;/i&gt; this kind of looney crap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The biggest mistake Obama can do is take office and pass something like card check-or even a sweeping legislation that nationalizes healthcare. </i></p>
<p>My God man. Where do you rightwingers <i>get</i> this stuff? No serious politician, including Obama, is proposing anything remotely like "nationalizing healthcare." For two long years the discussion has been about extending health INSURANCE and how to do that; health INSURANCE through existing private health INSURERS, mind you, providing health care through private health PROVIDERS. Even Medicaid and Medicare do that. </p>
<p>And WTH is this "card check"? Where the hell do you <i>get</i> this kind of looney crap?</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you are some kind of political &quot;newbie&quot;,  you already KNOW that a ONE VOTE MARGIN will equal a mandate if Obama wins....
 A landslide of Quranical proportions![lol]
 It will be seen , not just as a mandate  for Democrat policies but as an endorsement of the radical marxist left element that has ruined the party.Of course it will in fact be neither!
 Just watch and deny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you are some kind of political "newbie",  you already KNOW that a ONE VOTE MARGIN will equal a mandate if Obama wins....<br />
 A landslide of Quranical proportions![lol]<br />
 It will be seen , not just as a mandate  for Democrat policies but as an endorsement of the radical marxist left element that has ruined the party.Of course it will in fact be neither!<br />
 Just watch and deny!</p>
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		<title>By: JSBolton</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSBolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A left that uses economic, financial and pension panic-mongering should draw out a big negative reaction. The line about &#039;guilt by association&#039; is invalid, since the voters as such, do not indict, but trust or distrust. There must be no presumption of innocence regarding our highest security clearance; not when the candidates are applicants for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A left that uses economic, financial and pension panic-mongering should draw out a big negative reaction. The line about 'guilt by association' is invalid, since the voters as such, do not indict, but trust or distrust. There must be no presumption of innocence regarding our highest security clearance; not when the candidates are applicants for it.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Conversely, if John McCain were to shock the world and win tomorrow night...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Legal challenges will spring up in courts all across the country. 

Yet another Democratic presidential candidate who was a lock will be heard to say, &quot;How can I have lost to this guy?&quot; 

Celebration parties all over the capitol will become dirge like. 

Heads will explode at MSNBC. 

Conspiracy theories will spring up at the Daily Kos that make Oliver Stone blush.  

&quot;Some&quot; celebrities will threaten to leave the country.  Again.

It will be Selma all over again.  Or Vietnam.  Or something.

Senator Obama can go back to his day job. At least until he starts preparing for 2012.

There are high fives all around at the Clinton compound.  At least until she starts preparing for 2012.

Blood will flow in the streets. 

Yada. 

Yada. 

Yada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Conversely, if John McCain were to shock the world and win tomorrow night...</p></blockquote>
<p>Legal challenges will spring up in courts all across the country. </p>
<p>Yet another Democratic presidential candidate who was a lock will be heard to say, "How can I have lost to this guy?" </p>
<p>Celebration parties all over the capitol will become dirge like. </p>
<p>Heads will explode at MSNBC. </p>
<p>Conspiracy theories will spring up at the Daily Kos that make Oliver Stone blush.  </p>
<p>"Some" celebrities will threaten to leave the country.  Again.</p>
<p>It will be Selma all over again.  Or Vietnam.  Or something.</p>
<p>Senator Obama can go back to his day job. At least until he starts preparing for 2012.</p>
<p>There are high fives all around at the Clinton compound.  At least until she starts preparing for 2012.</p>
<p>Blood will flow in the streets. </p>
<p>Yada. </p>
<p>Yada. </p>
<p>Yada.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has already been dropping hints that he is taking orders from Kenyan President Adewale Ogunleye.  So the only &quot;mandate&quot; that will matter is Ogunleye&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has already been dropping hints that he is taking orders from Kenyan President Adewale Ogunleye.  So the only "mandate" that will matter is Ogunleye's.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is necessarily a myth, I think the problem is that there is unlikely a mandate for the whole agenda.  For instance, one thing I notice from most of the conservatives voting for Obama is that they seem to &quot;hope&quot; he will be moderate, and won&#039;t necessarily go for everything on the agenda.

I think the real mine field is figuring out just which things there is a mandate on, and which things there aren&#039;t.  The biggest mistake Obama can do is take office and pass something like card check-or even a sweeping legislation that nationalizes healthcare.  One of the things that hurt Clinton when it came to 1994 was his move with regards to gays in the military and Hillarycare-because while a lot of voters wanted Clinton to do something about healtchare, they didn&#039;t want Clinton to do what Hillary&#039;s committee was proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think it is necessarily a myth, I think the problem is that there is unlikely a mandate for the whole agenda.  For instance, one thing I notice from most of the conservatives voting for Obama is that they seem to "hope" he will be moderate, and won't necessarily go for everything on the agenda.</p>
<p>I think the real mine field is figuring out just which things there is a mandate on, and which things there aren't.  The biggest mistake Obama can do is take office and pass something like card check-or even a sweeping legislation that nationalizes healthcare.  One of the things that hurt Clinton when it came to 1994 was his move with regards to gays in the military and Hillarycare-because while a lot of voters wanted Clinton to do something about healtchare, they didn't want Clinton to do what Hillary's committee was proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me see if I have this right.

2.4% of 121,069,054 votes is a &quot;comfortable margin,&quot; but nothing Obama can do would result in a &quot;mandate,&quot; because those don&#039;t exist anymore.

Suppose Obama wins 350+ electoral votes and 53% of 170 million votes, plus the Dems pick up 7-8 seats in the Senate and 20 in the House.

Will that constitute a mandate, or will you reiterate Schoen&#039;s spin?

I know you&#039;re not a real political scientist, James, but seriously.  Watching you mangle polls and shill for McCain these last couple of weeks has done you little credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me see if I have this right.</p>
<p>2.4% of 121,069,054 votes is a "comfortable margin," but nothing Obama can do would result in a "mandate," because those don't exist anymore.</p>
<p>Suppose Obama wins 350+ electoral votes and 53% of 170 million votes, plus the Dems pick up 7-8 seats in the Senate and 20 in the House.</p>
<p>Will that constitute a mandate, or will you reiterate Schoen's spin?</p>
<p>I know you're not a real political scientist, James, but seriously.  Watching you mangle polls and shill for McCain these last couple of weeks has done you little credit.</p>
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