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	<title>Comments on: Cardinals Lobby for Swift Sainthood for John Paul II</title>
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		<title>By: Monique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the Church that canonizes people-- not yesterday, not today-- but the faithful who recognize and attest to a person&#039;s sanctity â¦.. 
The canonization of saints by &quot;popular acclaim&quot; is the primary means that many of the saints we revere from the 1st millenium were canonized. It has always been a legitimate practice in the church and still is today. Perhaps no one in the Church&#039;s history have had so many people around the world cry out with one voice, &quot;Santo Subito! Santo Subito, John Paul II, the Great!!&quot; The &quot;popular acclaim&quot; for the late Pontiff, which was so evident at his death and particularly at his funeral, was a clear indication of the widespread belief that John Paul II was a model of Christian virtue.

This is the real testimony of &quot;a reputation for holiness.&quot; â¦.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the Church that canonizes people-- not yesterday, not today-- but the faithful who recognize and attest to a person's sanctity â¦..<br />
The canonization of saints by "popular acclaim" is the primary means that many of the saints we revere from the 1st millenium were canonized. It has always been a legitimate practice in the church and still is today. Perhaps no one in the Church's history have had so many people around the world cry out with one voice, "Santo Subito! Santo Subito, John Paul II, the Great!!" The "popular acclaim" for the late Pontiff, which was so evident at his death and particularly at his funeral, was a clear indication of the widespread belief that John Paul II was a model of Christian virtue.</p>
<p>This is the real testimony of "a reputation for holiness." â¦.</p>
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		<title>By: Slider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of whiners. What makes you think it&#039;s just popular pressure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of whiners. What makes you think it's just popular pressure?</p>
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		<title>By: OsamaBL</title>
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		<dc:creator>OsamaBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could stop the make-me-feel-good-now approach and just let things sit for a while. It always looks different when time is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could stop the make-me-feel-good-now approach and just let things sit for a while. It always looks different when time is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Pius XII can be a saint, *any* Catholic can be a saint.

I expect JPII can rake in his two miracles just from the healings that will occur in pilgrims to his grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pius XII can be a saint, *any* Catholic can be a saint.</p>
<p>I expect JPII can rake in his two miracles just from the healings that will occur in pilgrims to his grave.</p>
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		<title>By: schar</title>
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		<dc:creator>schar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Pope had a history of negative actions too, i.e defending and ignoring the huge pay-outs to those boys who were abused by many protected priests, the denial of equality for women and gays in the pulpit, and other issues where he failed to act.  Juxtapose those acts against the mourners who think he should be a Saint ASAP.  Wouldn&#039;t that ignore their own history for studied consideration before making any person a Saint?  If they acquiese to the crowd of mourners who want instant gratification, what does that say about the other Saints who only made it after all of their acts were carefully considered for many years?  Are their lives then diminished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Pope had a history of negative actions too, i.e defending and ignoring the huge pay-outs to those boys who were abused by many protected priests, the denial of equality for women and gays in the pulpit, and other issues where he failed to act.  Juxtapose those acts against the mourners who think he should be a Saint ASAP.  Wouldn't that ignore their own history for studied consideration before making any person a Saint?  If they acquiese to the crowd of mourners who want instant gratification, what does that say about the other Saints who only made it after all of their acts were carefully considered for many years?  Are their lives then diminished?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess technically, leaking about JP2&#039;s possible canonization doesn&#039;t run afoul of the rule against leaks about the papal election. I wonder if it&#039;s possible to parse the sainthood talk to get a clue as to which candidate has the inside track...?

One would almost certainly have to be &quot;on the ground&quot; and have a scorecard to play that game, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess technically, leaking about JP2's possible canonization doesn't run afoul of the rule against leaks about the papal election. I wonder if it's possible to parse the sainthood talk to get a clue as to which candidate has the inside track...?</p>
<p>One would almost certainly have to be "on the ground" and have a scorecard to play that game, though.</p>
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