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		<title>By: PoliBlog:  Politics is the Master Science</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-46548</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliBlog:  Politics is the Master Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On Prisoners and Abuses&lt;/strong&gt;

Via the NYT:  In U.S. Report, Brutal Details of 2 Afghan Inmates&#039; DeathsIt would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi...</description>
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<p>Via the NYT:  In U.S. Report, Brutal Details of 2 Afghan Inmates' DeathsIt would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi...</p>
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		<title>By: PNQ</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-46460</link>
		<dc:creator>PNQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 23:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;damsels bound gagged tied up&lt;/strong&gt;
The Torture Myth</description>
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The Torture Myth</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-31672</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John you really should get a life.  I don&#039;t speak Japanese. I do like    James Clavell books. Most literate people get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John you really should get a life.  I don't speak Japanese. I do like    James Clavell books. Most literate people get it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-31668</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think &quot;anjin-san&quot; looks like an idiot, because no one who knows Japanese would put &quot;-san&quot; after his own name.

This post doesn&#039;t completely solve it either, because the quoted officer was apparently approving of tactics that many of the people fulminating about torture have disapproved of.  People have complained about loud music, for example, or other psychological methods, which the quoted officer specifically approves of.

I oppose torture.  I don&#039;t oppose every sort of stressful interrogation, though.  I&#039;d like a clear line to be drawn.  But the &quot;opponents&quot; of torture are doing no better a job in defining that line either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think "anjin-san" looks like an idiot, because no one who knows Japanese would put "-san" after his own name.</p>
<p>This post doesn't completely solve it either, because the quoted officer was apparently approving of tactics that many of the people fulminating about torture have disapproved of.  People have complained about loud music, for example, or other psychological methods, which the quoted officer specifically approves of.</p>
<p>I oppose torture.  I don't oppose every sort of stressful interrogation, though.  I'd like a clear line to be drawn.  But the "opponents" of torture are doing no better a job in defining that line either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Locke</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-31667</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, of course, anjin-san&#039;s formulation leads directly to Eric&#039;s, although many would deny it.

But the thing is, what&#039;s the definition? In the spectrum ranging from the rack and Iron Maiden to unconscionable delays in providing room service, what counts as &quot;torture?&quot;

Regards,
Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, of course, anjin-san's formulation leads directly to Eric's, although many would deny it.</p>
<p>But the thing is, what's the definition? In the spectrum ranging from the rack and Iron Maiden to unconscionable delays in providing room service, what counts as "torture?"</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ric</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m begining to think that we should simply stop taking prisoners. Classify any combatant in Iraq not wearing a uniform as a spy, and therefore eligible for summary execution. (If I remember my WWII movies.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm begining to think that we should simply stop taking prisoners. Classify any combatant in Iraq not wearing a uniform as a spy, and therefore eligible for summary execution. (If I remember my WWII movies.)</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_myth/comment-page-1/#comment-31622</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if tortue is effective or not.  

One thing I am sure of is that we should be about something.  If we pratice or condone tortue we put ourselves on a moral plane with the terrorists.  

The fact that the Bush admin seems to consider torture an option should be troubling to us all.  There is a lot more to being &quot;the good guys&quot; then simply proclaiming ourselves to be them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if tortue is effective or not.  </p>
<p>One thing I am sure of is that we should be about something.  If we pratice or condone tortue we put ourselves on a moral plane with the terrorists.  </p>
<p>The fact that the Bush admin seems to consider torture an option should be troubling to us all.  There is a lot more to being "the good guys" then simply proclaiming ourselves to be them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point that&#039;s not being considered here is the cultural differences.

That someone who, prior to his capture, was quite willing to blow himself up, in the process of killing others... and was willing to wait years to achieve this great goal, does not strike me at the kind of individual who will be swayed by three sqaures, and a roof and so on, to give up information about hgis freinds. Here is someone who has consigned himself to a harsh life and death. He&#039;ll be likely to simply wait out such impronsonment, while giving his captors nothing.

I suspect that torture is more likely to work under such conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that's not being considered here is the cultural differences.</p>
<p>That someone who, prior to his capture, was quite willing to blow himself up, in the process of killing others... and was willing to wait years to achieve this great goal, does not strike me at the kind of individual who will be swayed by three sqaures, and a roof and so on, to give up information about hgis freinds. Here is someone who has consigned himself to a harsh life and death. He'll be likely to simply wait out such impronsonment, while giving his captors nothing.</p>
<p>I suspect that torture is more likely to work under such conditions.</p>
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