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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_vultures_descend/comment-page-1/#comment-31429</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right Kate, no Americans are profiting from the suffering in Iraq.  

Do you really live in a fantasy world, or are you just trying to whip up hatred of other countries to take the spotlight off of the blood on our hands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Kate, no Americans are profiting from the suffering in Iraq.  </p>
<p>Do you really live in a fantasy world, or are you just trying to whip up hatred of other countries to take the spotlight off of the blood on our hands?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be who, precisely? Iranians? Jordanians? The Baathist spending the profits from the oil-for-food program to target Iraqis?

Or are you speaking of the French, the Canadians who had conflicts of interest up to their eye-balls through PetrofinaElf? But you already knew that.

To get back to the &quot;reproductive emergency&quot; debate, I would direct you to this link from UNFPA.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unfpa.org/supplies/essentials/4b.htm&quot;&gt;UNFPA&lt;/a&gt;:

and this quote:
&quot;Free condoms are among the first reproductive health supplies to reach people caught in a crisis situation. They are in demand to prevent both unwanted pregnancy and STIs including HIV/AIDS, and are the first step towards restoring family planning services.&quot;

&quot;Once a situation stabilizes, condom distribution and coverage need to be coordinated among government suppliers, the private sector and possibly social marketing programmes.&quot;

This is good too:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200204%5CCUL20020429e.html&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;

The allegedly defective condom shipment is an example of why the UNFPA should receive no funding from the U.S. government, Mosher said.

&quot;This is an organization that has a $35 [per plate] breakfast so they can decide how to distribute a condom worth 3 and half cents. The level of waste, inefficiency and bureaucracy is well known, but the United Nations bureaucracy really takes the cake,&quot; Mosher said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be who, precisely? Iranians? Jordanians? The Baathist spending the profits from the oil-for-food program to target Iraqis?</p>
<p>Or are you speaking of the French, the Canadians who had conflicts of interest up to their eye-balls through PetrofinaElf? But you already knew that.</p>
<p>To get back to the "reproductive emergency" debate, I would direct you to this link from UNFPA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unfpa.org/supplies/essentials/4b.htm">UNFPA</a>:</p>
<p>and this quote:<br />
"Free condoms are among the first reproductive health supplies to reach people caught in a crisis situation. They are in demand to prevent both unwanted pregnancy and STIs including HIV/AIDS, and are the first step towards restoring family planning services."</p>
<p>"Once a situation stabilizes, condom distribution and coverage need to be coordinated among government suppliers, the private sector and possibly social marketing programmes."</p>
<p>This is good too:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200204%5CCUL20020429e.html">link</a></p>
<p>The allegedly defective condom shipment is an example of why the UNFPA should receive no funding from the U.S. government, Mosher said.</p>
<p>"This is an organization that has a $35 [per plate] breakfast so they can decide how to distribute a condom worth 3 and half cents. The level of waste, inefficiency and bureaucracy is well known, but the United Nations bureaucracy really takes the cake," Mosher said.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_vultures_descend/comment-page-1/#comment-31409</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate,

Are you as outraged about the vultures who lunch at the Four Seasons while they figure out how to profit off of the carnage in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>Are you as outraged about the vultures who lunch at the Four Seasons while they figure out how to profit off of the carnage in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be enlightening for you defend-the-UN folks if you&#039;d quit wasting time on this comments thread and just go read.

http://diplomadic.blogspot.com/2005/01/unbearable.html

Who needs news releases when you can get accounts in the first person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be enlightening for you defend-the-UN folks if you'd quit wasting time on this comments thread and just go read.</p>
<p><a href="http://diplomadic.blogspot.com/2005/01/unbearable.html" rel="nofollow">http://diplomadic.blogspot.com/2005/01/unbearable.html</a></p>
<p>Who needs news releases when you can get accounts in the first person?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt the UN has serious flaws, just like any large orginization.  But I can&#039;t help but think that all the shrieking about the evil UN is just a bait &amp; switch to take attention off of the failures of the Bush admin.

Perhaps if we had our own house in order we would be in a better position to critique others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt the UN has serious flaws, just like any large orginization.  But I can't help but think that all the shrieking about the evil UN is just a bait &#038; switch to take attention off of the failures of the Bush admin.</p>
<p>Perhaps if we had our own house in order we would be in a better position to critique others.</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marc
&quot; And why would they claim the Maldives as one of the three worst hit&quot;

Because they mean those countries whose health infrastructure was worst hit ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marc<br />
" And why would they claim the Maldives as one of the three worst hit"</p>
<p>Because they mean those countries whose health infrastructure was worst hit ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I don&#039;t think the UN is some pseudo-Utopian emodiment of international justice. There&#039;s plenty of corruption, incompetency and, occasionally, true moral degeneracy. However, it&#039;s just as easy to point to examples of these things in the United States&#039; foreign policy activities over the last half century. Does the fact that we were, are and will continue to be in bed with some of the most disgustingly brutal dictators in the world elicit similarly passionate condemnation of the United States from you? Do you think organizations like ANSWER are correct when they claim that the accumulation of these various evils makes the United States a net negative in the world, devoutly to be opposed? Is it legitimate to view everything the United States does in the world through a prism of such antipathy? 

I&#039;m guessing your answer to those questions is no, and rightly so, yet you have no qualms about reversing those standards completely when it comes to the UN. Face it Kate - the sentiments expressed in that article you so approvingly posted simply represent the flip side of the Far Left&#039;s extremist views. Neither is correct; neither is responsible, and frankly, neither is respectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I don't think the UN is some pseudo-Utopian emodiment of international justice. There's plenty of corruption, incompetency and, occasionally, true moral degeneracy. However, it's just as easy to point to examples of these things in the United States' foreign policy activities over the last half century. Does the fact that we were, are and will continue to be in bed with some of the most disgustingly brutal dictators in the world elicit similarly passionate condemnation of the United States from you? Do you think organizations like ANSWER are correct when they claim that the accumulation of these various evils makes the United States a net negative in the world, devoutly to be opposed? Is it legitimate to view everything the United States does in the world through a prism of such antipathy? </p>
<p>I'm guessing your answer to those questions is no, and rightly so, yet you have no qualms about reversing those standards completely when it comes to the UN. Face it Kate - the sentiments expressed in that article you so approvingly posted simply represent the flip side of the Far Left's extremist views. Neither is correct; neither is responsible, and frankly, neither is respectable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kenny&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&quot;Which is why they note that the appeal for 28 million dollars is to âmeet extraordinary needs of women and youth in the &lt;strong&gt;three worst-hit countries over the next six monthsâ&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

And why would they claim the Maldives as one of the three worst hit. According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/tsunami.deaths/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;latest reports&lt;/a&gt; the Maldives suffered 82 dead, with 26 missing and is actually number 6 on the list.

So tell my why did they select that country.. no wait, don&#039;t bother I know. Because the UNFPA had pre-existing operations in the Maldives (as your link notes). Nothing wrong in of itself, but it is more than a little disingenious to claim it as being one of the  &quot;three worst-hit countries.&quot; If they were so dammed concerned about AIDS/HIV wouldn&#039;t it be more productive to help those countries that have 5 and 6 figure casualty counts? Obviously not in &quot;their world.&quot;

Note to &quot;Carpeicthus&quot; Actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1413501,00.html&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is &quot;palpably insane. And it&#039;s not the first time, the same UN BS continues in the Sudan, Rwanda, and Kosovo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kenny</strong> <em>"Which is why they note that the appeal for 28 million dollars is to âmeet extraordinary needs of women and youth in the <strong>three worst-hit countries over the next six monthsâ</strong></em></p>
<p>And why would they claim the Maldives as one of the three worst hit. According to the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/tsunami.deaths/" target="_blank">latest reports</a> the Maldives suffered 82 dead, with 26 missing and is actually number 6 on the list.</p>
<p>So tell my why did they select that country.. no wait, don't bother I know. Because the UNFPA had pre-existing operations in the Maldives (as your link notes). Nothing wrong in of itself, but it is more than a little disingenious to claim it as being one of the  "three worst-hit countries." If they were so dammed concerned about AIDS/HIV wouldn't it be more productive to help those countries that have 5 and 6 figure casualty counts? Obviously not in "their world."</p>
<p>Note to "Carpeicthus" Actually <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1413501,00.html">this</a> is "palpably insane. And it's not the first time, the same UN BS continues in the Sudan, Rwanda, and Kosovo.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For pete&#039;s sake, you don&#039;t think maybe infrastructure of all sorts was damaged in the tsunami? You are treating this like the HIV prevention is the be-all and end-all of the funding, which is laughably false. Your hatred has driven you palpably insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For pete's sake, you don't think maybe infrastructure of all sorts was damaged in the tsunami? You are treating this like the HIV prevention is the be-all and end-all of the funding, which is laughably false. Your hatred has driven you palpably insane.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so incredibly scared that we have someone so puerile at State that they ape Micheal Freaking Savage. Turd World? These are diplomats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so incredibly scared that we have someone so puerile at State that they ape Micheal Freaking Savage. Turd World? These are diplomats?</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_vultures_descend/comment-page-1/#comment-31349</link>
		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, 

 &quot; Do I think it is wrong to be concerned about Aids/HIV? Certainly not, but I donât believe for a minute it is needed now during this emergency.&quot;

And neither do they.

Which is why they note that the  
appeal for 28 million dollars is to &quot;meet extraordinary needs of women and youth in the three worst-hit countries over the &lt;b&gt;next six months&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

They are not however running around the disaster area tonight handing out free condoms. 
As they note their immediate priority is focused on obstetric resources. 

&quot;if you believe this outfit is spending money on âjust say no to sexâ lectures I suggest doing a little research and learn of their similar programs in Africa. They are handing out condoms, pure and simple.&quot;

Handing out condoms is more likely to be of use than some spurious abstinence lectures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, </p>
<p> " Do I think it is wrong to be concerned about Aids/HIV? Certainly not, but I donât believe for a minute it is needed now during this emergency."</p>
<p>And neither do they.</p>
<p>Which is why they note that the<br />
appeal for 28 million dollars is to "meet extraordinary needs of women and youth in the three worst-hit countries over the <b>next six months</b>"</p>
<p>They are not however running around the disaster area tonight handing out free condoms.<br />
As they note their immediate priority is focused on obstetric resources. </p>
<p>"if you believe this outfit is spending money on âjust say no to sexâ lectures I suggest doing a little research and learn of their similar programs in Africa. They are handing out condoms, pure and simple."</p>
<p>Handing out condoms is more likely to be of use than some spurious abstinence lectures.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;kenny&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&quot;You might care to actually read the UNFPA press release.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Well Ken I did, at the link you provided and buried deep in the press release is this that you left out (by accident?):

UNFPA Genral policy:
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Providing and distributing equipment, medicines and supplies to ensure safe childbirth and emergency obstetric care, &lt;strong&gt;as well as prevention of HIV transmission;&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

And in Indonesia they are providing this &quot;service&quot;
&lt;em&gt;&quot;has requested $8 million for the reestablishment of basic reproductive health services, including maternal health and &lt;strong&gt;the prevention of sexually transmitted infection and HIV/AIDS&quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

In the Maldives this: &lt;em&gt; help UNFPA promote adolescent reproductive health, &lt;strong&gt;including the prevention of sexually transmitted infections and HIV/AIDS.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

In Sri Lanka this: &lt;em&gt;&quot;It will also work on &lt;strong&gt;reducing sexually transmitted infections and HIV transmission, and preventing and managing the consequences of sexual violence.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Kenny if you believe this outfit is spending money on &quot;just say no to sex&quot; lectures I suggest doing a little research and learn of their similar programs in Africa. They are handing out condoms, pure and simple.

Do I think it is wrong to be concerned about Aids/HIV? Certainly not, but I don&#039;t believe for a minute it is needed now during this emergency. 

They are pissing good money down a rathole, but the UN has held the patent on that for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>kenny</strong> <em>"You might care to actually read the UNFPA press release."</em></p>
<p>Well Ken I did, at the link you provided and buried deep in the press release is this that you left out (by accident?):</p>
<p>UNFPA Genral policy:<br />
<em>"Providing and distributing equipment, medicines and supplies to ensure safe childbirth and emergency obstetric care, <strong>as well as prevention of HIV transmission;"</strong></em></p>
<p>And in Indonesia they are providing this "service"<br />
<em>"has requested $8 million for the reestablishment of basic reproductive health services, including maternal health and <strong>the prevention of sexually transmitted infection and HIV/AIDS"</strong><strong></strong></em></p>
<p>In the Maldives this: <em> help UNFPA promote adolescent reproductive health, <strong>including the prevention of sexually transmitted infections and HIV/AIDS."</strong></em></p>
<p>In Sri Lanka this: <em>"It will also work on <strong>reducing sexually transmitted infections and HIV transmission, and preventing and managing the consequences of sexual violence."</strong></em></p>
<p>Kenny if you believe this outfit is spending money on "just say no to sex" lectures I suggest doing a little research and learn of their similar programs in Africa. They are handing out condoms, pure and simple.</p>
<p>Do I think it is wrong to be concerned about Aids/HIV? Certainly not, but I don't believe for a minute it is needed now during this emergency. </p>
<p>They are pissing good money down a rathole, but the UN has held the patent on that for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Raygun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie Raygun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Dave, I think that&#039;s all how all folks with half a mind should view the U.N.  A bunch of filthy cretinous vultures who have never helped anyone anywhere in a good long time.  I think it is a huge mistake to turn over the reins to Kofi nd company especially in light of the oil for food travesty.  When all is said and done Kofi and his cohorts will have lined their pockets with billions meant for the good of the tsunami victims with nary a one of them fed, clothed or helped in any way.  Get a life, Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Dave, I think that's all how all folks with half a mind should view the U.N.  A bunch of filthy cretinous vultures who have never helped anyone anywhere in a good long time.  I think it is a huge mistake to turn over the reins to Kofi nd company especially in light of the oil for food travesty.  When all is said and done Kofi and his cohorts will have lined their pockets with billions meant for the good of the tsunami victims with nary a one of them fed, clothed or helped in any way.  Get a life, Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, the author of the &quot;vulture&quot; piece is a foreign service worker with the US 
State Department, on the ground in the tsunami region, who has been personally observing and working with the UN (when they can be found) and has  covering the corruption, the excess of the organizaiton well before this most recent debacle.

And, yes &quot;sweet merciful crap&quot;, the oil-for-food scandal, the Rwanda outrage, the blind eye to Darfur and the many sex-abuse and exploitation, and corruption cases - right down to the looting of a unlocked restaurant by diplomats in New York a year or so ago - mean that this is really how I percieve the UN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, the author of the "vulture" piece is a foreign service worker with the US<br />
State Department, on the ground in the tsunami region, who has been personally observing and working with the UN (when they can be found) and has  covering the corruption, the excess of the organizaiton well before this most recent debacle.</p>
<p>And, yes "sweet merciful crap", the oil-for-food scandal, the Rwanda outrage, the blind eye to Darfur and the many sex-abuse and exploitation, and corruption cases - right down to the looting of a unlocked restaurant by diplomats in New York a year or so ago - mean that this is really how I percieve the UN.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense and Wonder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Sense and Wonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;News from the &quot;Turd&quot; World&lt;/strong&gt;
I just discovered (thanks to Outside the Beltway) a blog that is run by a State Department officer who has been posted to an embassy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>News from the "Turd" World</strong><br />
I just discovered (thanks to Outside the Beltway) a blog that is run by a State Department officer who has been posted to an embassy...</p>
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