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		<title>By: BlogRunner: From a (Military) Parade of Thoughts… (Sowell the Authoritarian Version)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 13:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] From a (Military) Parade of Thoughts… (Sowell the Authoritarian Version)I must confess, the following (from one of Thomas Sowell&#039;s columns made up of short thoughts) to be utterly stunning: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... &#160;BLOG&#160;POST&#160;&#187; Dr. Steven Taylor PoliBlog Wednesday,&#160;May&#160;2TAGS: &#149;&#160;&#160;BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Politics &#160; &#149;&#160;&#160;PoliBlog&#160;&gt;&#160;Dr.&#160;Steven&#160;Taylor &#160;   Who&#039;s Blogging  View as List View as Thread   Most Relevant First Most Recent First Thomas Sowell Pines for A Military Coup James&#160;Joyner Outside&#160;the&#160;Beltway  elap(&#039;1178125776&#039;);A &quot;random thought&quot; from Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia.. ... Steven Taylor, who studies Latin American politics for a living, is not a fan of military coups, although he allows in the comments as to how a Babylon 5 scenario might be an exception.Thomas Sowell Gets Old and Crotchety Sean&#160;Hackbarth The&#160;American&#160;Mind  elap(&#039;1178132712&#039;);Riffing pessimistically Thomas Sowell wrote, When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia.. ... Taylor more so with his studies of Latin America where military coups resulted in much suffering.Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists Cernig NewsHog  elap(&#039;1178111040&#039;);By CernigJust before the midtems.. ... Dr. From a (Military) Parade of Thoughts… (Sowell the Authoritarian Version) DR. STEVEN TAYLOR PoliBlog elap(&#039;1178122036&#039;);I must confess, the following (from one of Thomas Sowell&#039;s columns made up of short thoughts) to be utterly stunning: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Thomas Sowell Pines for A Military Coup Outside the Beltway elap(&#039;1178125776&#039;);James Joyner: A &quot;random thought&quot; from Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Steven Taylor, who studies Latin American politics for a living, is not a fan of military coups, although he allows in the comments as to how a Babylon 5 scenario might be an exception. Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists NewsHog elap(&#039;1178111040&#039;);Cernig: By CernigJust before the midtems... Steven Taylor and James Joyner are just two examples. Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists NewsHog elap(&#039;1178111040&#039;);Cernig: By CernigJust before the midtems... Dr. Thomas Sowell Gets Old and CrotchetyThe American Mind elap(&#039;1178132712&#039;);Sean Hackbarth: Riffing pessimistically Thomas Sowell wrote, When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Taylor more so with his studies of Latin America where military coups resulted in much suffering.  Related BlogsThe Liberal-Neologistic ComplexKRISTON Grammar.police elap(&#039;1178119104&#039;);Kevin Drum wtfs the National Review for publishing this line by Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can&#039;t help wondering if the day may yet come when...BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Media&#160;&#160; Sowell Calls For Bush&#8217;s Overthrow?DANIEL LARISON Eunomia elap(&#039;1178118671&#039;);When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can&#8217;t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Politics&#160;&#160; Nutters Of The Mainstream Right MACSWAIN Comments From Left Field elap(&#039;1178110560&#039;);Here&#039;s Thomas Sowell in the National Review Online (via TNR):When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia...Banana Republicanism GORDON The Alternate Brain elap(&#039;1178110200&#039;);I won&#039;t link to the wingnut blathering that prompted this, but if you really want to see it you can find it at Kevin Drum&#039;s piece:Quote of the day, from Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators...BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Entertainment&#160;&#160; On coupsJONATHAN Blogoland elap(&#039;1178104320&#039;);Many are going cuckoo-bananas -- appropriately, I think -- over this quip from the conservative writer Thomas Sowell, who seemingly endorses a military coup against our current leader.When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media...Thomas Sowell&#039;s cure for degeneracy TYLER COWEN Marginal Revolution elap(&#039;1178104231&#039;);When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, oureducators, and our intelligentsia, I can&#8217;t help wondering if the daymay yet come when the only thing that can save this country is amilitary coup.BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Economy&#160;&#160; BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Science&#160;&#160; Tyler&#160;Cowen&#160;&#160; Lament of the aging pundit LIBBY SPENCER The Impolitic elap(&#039;1178102220&#039;);Thomas Sowell loses it in his latest column. Here at the old folk&#039;s home we call this sort of aimless muttering, &quot;a senior moment.&quot; Kevin Drum, among others, seizes on the money quote.Thomas Sowell - I Used to Think He Was Only a HackCACTUS Angry Bear elap(&#039;1178093460&#039;);I believe that Thomas Sowell is a hack.Sowell&#039;s Coup Matthew Yglesias elap(&#039;1178083490&#039;);This is interesting.DISCUSSION&#160;&#187;BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Media&#160;&#160; Earth to Thomas Sowell: Francisco Franco Is Still Dead BRAD DELONG Brad DeLong&#039;s Semi-Daily Journal elap(&#039;1178074365&#039;);Thomas Sowell, fascist, writes in National Review: Thomas Sowell on National Review Online: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia...National Review columnist muses about military coup. NICO Think Progress elap(&#039;1178064974&#039;);The National Review is on a roll.BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Politics&#160;&#160; Nico&#160;&#160; Insight and Analysis MICHAEL CROWLEY The New Republic: The Plank elap(&#039;1178062940&#039;);Courtesy of Thomas Sowell at NRO: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can&#039;t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.DISCUSSION&#160;&#187;BlogRunner&#160;&gt;&#160;Politics&#160;&#160; Thomas Sowell&#039;s Random ThoughtsAXEGRINDER axegrinder elap(&#039;1177996140&#039;);&quot;&quot;Thomas Sowell is regularly worth reading. BlogRunnerHomeMost Blogged 24 HoursTop StoriesDr. Steven TaylorNo Surpriseelap(&#039;1178133430&#039;);Pat Buchanan and his Xenophobia Showelap(&#039;1178132147&#039;);Hey Look! The System Works (Separation of Powers, Checks and Balances and the Supplemental)elap(&#039;1178110746&#039;);Giuliani &amp; Bracewellelap(&#039;1178110309&#039;);Early Elections and Constitutional Reform in Turkey? (Plus, Another Attempt at a Presidential Vote)elap(&#039;1178073745&#039;);&#160;blogrunner.com ... e: feedback(AT)blogrunner.com ... Wed May 2 17:06:04 2007 ET ... Copyright (c) 2006-2007 The New York Times [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] From a (Military) Parade of Thoughts… (Sowell the Authoritarian Version)I must confess, the following (from one of Thomas Sowell's columns made up of short thoughts) to be utterly stunning: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia...  BLOG POST &raquo; Dr. Steven Taylor PoliBlog Wednesday, May 2TAGS: &#8226;  BlogRunner &gt; Politics &#160; &#8226;  PoliBlog &gt; Dr. Steven Taylor &#160;   Who's Blogging  View as List View as Thread   Most Relevant First Most Recent First Thomas Sowell Pines for A Military Coup James Joyner Outside the Beltway  elap('1178125776');A "random thought" from Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia.. ... Steven Taylor, who studies Latin American politics for a living, is not a fan of military coups, although he allows in the comments as to how a Babylon 5 scenario might be an exception.Thomas Sowell Gets Old and Crotchety Sean Hackbarth The American Mind  elap('1178132712');Riffing pessimistically Thomas Sowell wrote, When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia.. ... Taylor more so with his studies of Latin America where military coups resulted in much suffering.Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists Cernig NewsHog  elap('1178111040');By CernigJust before the midtems.. ... Dr. From a (Military) Parade of Thoughts… (Sowell the Authoritarian Version) DR. STEVEN TAYLOR PoliBlog elap('1178122036');I must confess, the following (from one of Thomas Sowell's columns made up of short thoughts) to be utterly stunning: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Thomas Sowell Pines for A Military Coup Outside the Beltway elap('1178125776');James Joyner: A "random thought" from Thomas Sowell: When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Steven Taylor, who studies Latin American politics for a living, is not a fan of military coups, although he allows in the comments as to how a Babylon 5 scenario might be an exception. Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists NewsHog elap('1178111040');Cernig: By CernigJust before the midtems... Steven Taylor and James Joyner are just two examples. Conservatives Must Abandon Their Anti-Democratic Extremists NewsHog elap('1178111040');Cernig: By CernigJust before the midtems... Dr. Thomas Sowell Gets Old and CrotchetyThe American Mind elap('1178132712');Sean Hackbarth: Riffing pessimistically Thomas Sowell wrote, When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia... Taylor more so with his studies of Latin America where military coups resulted in much suffering.  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		<title>By: The Daily Dish</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Dish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Yes, it is slightly worrying that National Review publishes material from people openly hoping for military coups, while it supports a president who backs torture and abridging habeas corpus. But hey, look on the bright side. It&#039;s an interesting thought-experiment. Kevin Drum wonders what Buckley is thinking. We know what Buckley is thinking. He&#039;s mortified as any decent conservative would be. James Joyner joins in here. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Yes, it is slightly worrying that National Review publishes material from people openly hoping for military coups, while it supports a president who backs torture and abridging habeas corpus. But hey, look on the bright side. It's an interesting thought-experiment. Kevin Drum wonders what Buckley is thinking. We know what Buckley is thinking. He's mortified as any decent conservative would be. James Joyner joins in here. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Ross Douthat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Douthat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Now that everyone&#039;s talking about Thomas Sowell&#039;s yearning for a military coup, Professor Bainbridge tackles the more important question of whether a coup would work. As James Joyner has already pointed out, the definitive text on this matter is Charles Dunlap&#039;s The Origins of the Military Coup of 2012, though I would also recommend the Harper&#039;s symposium on the topic from a couple years back, whose roundtable included Dunlap, Andrew Bacevich, Richard Kohn and Edward Luttwak. Sadly, all those worthies were too sober-minded to take the possibility of an actual Seven Days in May all that seriously, and so the discussion turned rather quickly to the somewhat duller topic of civilian-military relations - but it&#039;s still worth a look. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Now that everyone's talking about Thomas Sowell's yearning for a military coup, Professor Bainbridge tackles the more important question of whether a coup would work. As James Joyner has already pointed out, the definitive text on this matter is Charles Dunlap's The Origins of the Military Coup of 2012, though I would also recommend the Harper's symposium on the topic from a couple years back, whose roundtable included Dunlap, Andrew Bacevich, Richard Kohn and Edward Luttwak. Sadly, all those worthies were too sober-minded to take the possibility of an actual Seven Days in May all that seriously, and so the discussion turned rather quickly to the somewhat duller topic of civilian-military relations - but it's still worth a look. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 13:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on. Why are people letting Sowell off the hook?

He is obviously ADVOCATING the idea, since he says it would &quot;save&quot; the country. He could have said something more neutral, such as &quot;there might be a military coup&quot;, but he did not.

Further, he isn&#039;t saying this might be necessary because of terrorism or a Fifth Column or a strong communist underground movement, or anything like that which threatens our liberties, safety, etc.

He&#039;s saying it might be the only solution because we&#039;re becoming too degenerate! Which to him means we&#039;re having too much sex, allowing women to choose reproductive freedom, or whatever...

In other words, he might advocate a military coup because most Americans don&#039;t share his social values.

He&#039;s saying that if we exercise our freedoms too much, to his distaste, the only thing left to do would be to take our liberties away.

Come on people, that&#039;s disgraceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on. Why are people letting Sowell off the hook?</p>
<p>He is obviously ADVOCATING the idea, since he says it would "save" the country. He could have said something more neutral, such as "there might be a military coup", but he did not.</p>
<p>Further, he isn't saying this might be necessary because of terrorism or a Fifth Column or a strong communist underground movement, or anything like that which threatens our liberties, safety, etc.</p>
<p>He's saying it might be the only solution because we're becoming too degenerate! Which to him means we're having too much sex, allowing women to choose reproductive freedom, or whatever...</p>
<p>In other words, he might advocate a military coup because most Americans don't share his social values.</p>
<p>He's saying that if we exercise our freedoms too much, to his distaste, the only thing left to do would be to take our liberties away.</p>
<p>Come on people, that's disgraceful.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 02:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Verdon; You clearly have it right!

Mr.Joyner; Well done again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Verdon; You clearly have it right!</p>
<p>Mr.Joyner; Well done again!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sowell was not longing for a military coup.

He&#039;s an observer of history. If you read his article, the &quot;degeneracy&quot; he laments is the way in which our domestic political factions have lost the ability to engage in dialogue, negotiation, and compromise. Instead we are presented with a list of irresoluble issues over which two highly polarized groups shout slogans at each other. Taking the place of dialogue about real issues is the politics of personal destruction, in which the minutiae of a politician&#039;s life, whether public or private, are raked through by those who oppose him, with the aim of finding some occasion to discredit him and remove him from office. The archetye of this was the attack of the Puritans upon Strafford and Laud, culminating in the passage of attainders against them and their subsequent executions in the period preceding the English civil war.  In recent years, both of our political parties have used such tactics against their opponents; we saw it during the Clinton administration, and we see it in this one.

If I take Sowell&#039;s meaning correctly, he fears that our domestic politics now approach the point that Athenian politics did in the time of Demosthenes and Eubulus; the point that Roman politics did in the days of Marius and Sulla; or the point that English politics did late in the reign of Charles I. In other words, irresoluble political differences between highly polarized factions precede the collapse of the old order. Then the time is right for an Alexander, a Sulla, or a Cromwell to take charge. 

Such events never really &quot;save&quot; a country, but do impose order for the time being, and the lesson of history is that ordinary people acquiesce in authoritarianism because it is preferable to anarchy and disorder. Sowell is warning that we may be on the path towards having to choose between these disagreeable alternatives. This is hardly the same as wishing that it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sowell was not longing for a military coup.</p>
<p>He's an observer of history. If you read his article, the "degeneracy" he laments is the way in which our domestic political factions have lost the ability to engage in dialogue, negotiation, and compromise. Instead we are presented with a list of irresoluble issues over which two highly polarized groups shout slogans at each other. Taking the place of dialogue about real issues is the politics of personal destruction, in which the minutiae of a politician's life, whether public or private, are raked through by those who oppose him, with the aim of finding some occasion to discredit him and remove him from office. The archetye of this was the attack of the Puritans upon Strafford and Laud, culminating in the passage of attainders against them and their subsequent executions in the period preceding the English civil war.  In recent years, both of our political parties have used such tactics against their opponents; we saw it during the Clinton administration, and we see it in this one.</p>
<p>If I take Sowell's meaning correctly, he fears that our domestic politics now approach the point that Athenian politics did in the time of Demosthenes and Eubulus; the point that Roman politics did in the days of Marius and Sulla; or the point that English politics did late in the reign of Charles I. In other words, irresoluble political differences between highly polarized factions precede the collapse of the old order. Then the time is right for an Alexander, a Sulla, or a Cromwell to take charge. </p>
<p>Such events never really "save" a country, but do impose order for the time being, and the lesson of history is that ordinary people acquiesce in authoritarianism because it is preferable to anarchy and disorder. Sowell is warning that we may be on the path towards having to choose between these disagreeable alternatives. This is hardly the same as wishing that it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We had a war for independence--we never had military rule.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes I know, but it shows that your statement was inaccurate.

And, I agree with Edgardo,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Reading again the title of your post I think you&#039;re wrong. Sowell is not pining for a military coup. He&#039;s frustrated that one day there will be no choice but to ask the military to take power. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is exactly the right way to read that statement, IMO.  Not that he sees it as a good thing, but that it is the only possible hope after things get really, really bad.  That there isn&#039;t much hope there highlights the frustration and dismay that Sowell is expressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We had a war for independence--we never had military rule.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I know, but it shows that your statement was inaccurate.</p>
<p>And, I agree with Edgardo,</p>
<blockquote><p>Reading again the title of your post I think you're wrong. Sowell is not pining for a military coup. He's frustrated that one day there will be no choice but to ask the military to take power. </p></blockquote>
<p>That is exactly the right way to read that statement, IMO.  Not that he sees it as a good thing, but that it is the only possible hope after things get really, really bad.  That there isn't much hope there highlights the frustration and dismay that Sowell is expressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thomas_sowell_pines_for_a_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-123444</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First they don&#039;t and second we didn&#039;t kill them - it must be tough when you can&#039;t get beyond ignorant hatred. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry Bandit but I trust the well respected studies over your personal opinion of how many deaths have occured.  I&#039;m funny that way.

As for your second contention, We certainly killed a lot of them, though not all by any means.  But that doesn&#039;t matter.  Hussein didn&#039;t personally kill the people in that mass grave either.  We created the conditions under which some 600,000+ people have died.

I find it ironic that you accuse the person relying upon hard data of &quot;not getting beyond ignorant hatred&quot; while you base your own views on unfounded optimism.  It makes me giggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First they don't and second we didn't kill them - it must be tough when you can't get beyond ignorant hatred. </p></blockquote>
<p>I'm sorry Bandit but I trust the well respected studies over your personal opinion of how many deaths have occured.  I'm funny that way.</p>
<p>As for your second contention, We certainly killed a lot of them, though not all by any means.  But that doesn't matter.  Hussein didn't personally kill the people in that mass grave either.  We created the conditions under which some 600,000+ people have died.</p>
<p>I find it ironic that you accuse the person relying upon hard data of "not getting beyond ignorant hatred" while you base your own views on unfounded optimism.  It makes me giggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thomas_sowell_pines_for_a_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-123426</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First they don&#039;t and second we didn&#039;t kill them - it must be tough when you can&#039;t get beyond ignorant hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they don't and second we didn't kill them - it must be tough when you can't get beyond ignorant hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thomas_sowell_pines_for_a_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-123417</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Building a 3 mile wall - running a totalitarian concentration camp for 30 years - same diff - &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note that those mass graves from 30 years of totalitarian rule hold &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; people than have been killed in our little four year experiment in freedom in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Building a 3 mile wall - running a totalitarian concentration camp for 30 years - same diff - </p></blockquote>
<p>Note that those mass graves from 30 years of totalitarian rule hold <em>less</em> people than have been killed in our little four year experiment in freedom in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edgardo,

Again, comment sections and complex debates do not necessarily mix.  I do understand that Allende may not have been able to actually finish the term, but bombing the presidential palace wasn&#039;t the right solution, either.  Even if we want to argue that Pinochet had to take over (an issue I would contest), the fact that Pinochet governed, and brutally at times, for 16 years, underscores the notion that military coups don&#039;t save democracies.

I question, by the way, the notion that rhetoric in partisan papers would necessarily be good measures of what would have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgardo,</p>
<p>Again, comment sections and complex debates do not necessarily mix.  I do understand that Allende may not have been able to actually finish the term, but bombing the presidential palace wasn't the right solution, either.  Even if we want to argue that Pinochet had to take over (an issue I would contest), the fact that Pinochet governed, and brutally at times, for 16 years, underscores the notion that military coups don't save democracies.</p>
<p>I question, by the way, the notion that rhetoric in partisan papers would necessarily be good measures of what would have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thomas_sowell_pines_for_a_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-123382</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Go Freer-dom! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Building a 3 mile wall - running a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;totalitarian concentration camp &lt;/a&gt;for 30 years - same diff -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Go Freer-dom! </p></blockquote>
<p>Building a 3 mile wall - running a <a href="http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html" rel="nofollow">totalitarian concentration camp </a>for 30 years - same diff -</p>
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		<title>By: Counting Coup &#187; The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Counting Coup &#187; The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At Outside the Beltway there&#8217;s been a lengthy discussion of Thomas Sowell&#8217;s coup comment. There&#8217;s been talk about democracy and how better or worse off certain South American countries were because of coups. I&#8217;m defended my claim (involving definitions) that democracy isn&#8217;t the be-all, end-all to politics. I treat it as a means to a regime of liberty, even though some now think I&#8217;m an authoritarian coming out of the closet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At Outside the Beltway there&#8217;s been a lengthy discussion of Thomas Sowell&#8217;s coup comment. There&#8217;s been talk about democracy and how better or worse off certain South American countries were because of coups. I&#8217;m defended my claim (involving definitions) that democracy isn&#8217;t the be-all, end-all to politics. I treat it as a means to a regime of liberty, even though some now think I&#8217;m an authoritarian coming out of the closet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the issue of Sowell thinking such a coup good or bad, I supose that to be a question of what you consider worse.

I find the varied reactions reactions to Sowell&#039;s comment... when tracked to their sources, (And the worldview of the speakers, particularly,)  to be interesting.

Yglesias, for example, seems all worried about the loss of rights, never considering the loss of rights imposed routinely by the government such a coup would replace.

We all have our blind spots, I guess... and I suppose we&#039;ve just been witness to the exposure of that of Yglesias, and other leftists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the issue of Sowell thinking such a coup good or bad, I supose that to be a question of what you consider worse.</p>
<p>I find the varied reactions reactions to Sowell's comment... when tracked to their sources, (And the worldview of the speakers, particularly,)  to be interesting.</p>
<p>Yglesias, for example, seems all worried about the loss of rights, never considering the loss of rights imposed routinely by the government such a coup would replace.</p>
<p>We all have our blind spots, I guess... and I suppose we've just been witness to the exposure of that of Yglesias, and other leftists.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thomas_sowell_pines_for_a_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-123193</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 05:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After looking at excepts for the Sowell column, the initial discussion about a military coup being the only way to save the country, I put that aside as one response to an ever increasing problem of people using the general principles of the United States against it and what can/will be done about it in the future.  
   During the 90&#039;s, it was the Neo-Nazi/White Supremest as well as fringe Judeo-Christian groups people felt were a threat to the United States, however the Gov put them down with little significant backlash.  Up to that point, they had operated with relative impunity hiding behind the constitution.  
   We now see the threat of certain sects from some religions taking advantage of the constitution to potentially do very bad things to this country in the long run. However, they are not Nazi&#039;s, or Christians, which are about the only groups one can get away with vilifying in this country with out being called a bigot  As they continue to use the laws of this land to their advantage; what will be done?  We may very well turn back the clock to the Jim Crow days except it will be the rot of a religion which erodes civil rights.  What if roving gangs of religious fanatics enforce their religious law counter to secular law? But actual prosecution brings with it the threat of more and greater violence on jury, judge , etc. Juries simply vote &quot;not guilty&quot; so they can survive another day.  When, how and who affects a change?  At some point, does a military coup become the last remaining option to a frightening theocracy?  Not saying it will happen, hopefully assimilation happens instead, just a few more &quot;Random Thoughts&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After looking at excepts for the Sowell column, the initial discussion about a military coup being the only way to save the country, I put that aside as one response to an ever increasing problem of people using the general principles of the United States against it and what can/will be done about it in the future.<br />
   During the 90's, it was the Neo-Nazi/White Supremest as well as fringe Judeo-Christian groups people felt were a threat to the United States, however the Gov put them down with little significant backlash.  Up to that point, they had operated with relative impunity hiding behind the constitution.<br />
   We now see the threat of certain sects from some religions taking advantage of the constitution to potentially do very bad things to this country in the long run. However, they are not Nazi's, or Christians, which are about the only groups one can get away with vilifying in this country with out being called a bigot  As they continue to use the laws of this land to their advantage; what will be done?  We may very well turn back the clock to the Jim Crow days except it will be the rot of a religion which erodes civil rights.  What if roving gangs of religious fanatics enforce their religious law counter to secular law? But actual prosecution brings with it the threat of more and greater violence on jury, judge , etc. Juries simply vote "not guilty" so they can survive another day.  When, how and who affects a change?  At some point, does a military coup become the last remaining option to a frightening theocracy?  Not saying it will happen, hopefully assimilation happens instead, just a few more "Random Thoughts"</p>
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