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	<title>Comments on: Thune Opposing Bolton as BRAC Payback</title>
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		<title>By: Juliette</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47380</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On topic: Thune is just the latest example of why there isn&#039;t much difference between most politicians on either side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On topic: Thune is just the latest example of why there isn't much difference between most politicians on either side.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliette</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47379</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 04:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who have worked on aircraft, accompanying weapons, etc. know that it&#039;s easier to maintain said equipment in 100 degrees F weather than at 10 below (not to mention wind chill factor).  And that&#039;s just the mechanical/electrical resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who have worked on aircraft, accompanying weapons, etc. know that it's easier to maintain said equipment in 100 degrees F weather than at 10 below (not to mention wind chill factor).  And that's just the mechanical/electrical resources.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47342</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 16:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He ought to have brought this up privately to the White House -- not publicly, Jim Jeffords fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He ought to have brought this up privately to the White House -- not publicly, Jim Jeffords fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47327</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 12:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and I remember Fritz Hollings yacking about how he would save Charleston&#039;s shipyard, and he couldn&#039;t do that (Strom was also saying he would save it, and he couldn&#039;t either).  In the end the Shipyard got closed, and Charleston survived.

And the citizens didn&#039;t hold the loss against Hollings or Thurmond, both of whom retired from the senate after both being reelected to more terms.

Like I said, I can understand Thune being angry, and I can understand him fighting to keep it open, but at least take your fight to things that are pertinent to the fight, and the UN appointment isn&#039;t anywhere near pertinent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I remember Fritz Hollings yacking about how he would save Charleston's shipyard, and he couldn't do that (Strom was also saying he would save it, and he couldn't either).  In the end the Shipyard got closed, and Charleston survived.</p>
<p>And the citizens didn't hold the loss against Hollings or Thurmond, both of whom retired from the senate after both being reelected to more terms.</p>
<p>Like I said, I can understand Thune being angry, and I can understand him fighting to keep it open, but at least take your fight to things that are pertinent to the fight, and the UN appointment isn't anywhere near pertinent.</p>
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		<title>By: Uffda</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47326</link>
		<dc:creator>Uffda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Ellsworth AFB is in SOUTH DAKOTA, not North Dakota, as some of the previous  posters have stated.  This is a big deal for the state and Thune based a large part of his campaign on his purported ability to protect the base.  His position is not a hissy fit, but one to be expected.  He was undercut by the Administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Ellsworth AFB is in SOUTH DAKOTA, not North Dakota, as some of the previous  posters have stated.  This is a big deal for the state and Thune based a large part of his campaign on his purported ability to protect the base.  His position is not a hissy fit, but one to be expected.  He was undercut by the Administration.</p>
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		<title>By: wavemaker</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47312</link>
		<dc:creator>wavemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAMN, it&#039;s a good thing we have that Base Closing Commission, so that the politics could be removed from these decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAMN, it's a good thing we have that Base Closing Commission, so that the politics could be removed from these decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: PAXALLES</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47302</link>
		<dc:creator>PAXALLES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New S. Dakota Obstructionist Sings Old I-ThUNE - BrickBRACs to Bush &lt;/strong&gt;

 
New S. Dakota Obstructionist Sings Old I-ThUNE - BrickBRACs to Bush 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New S. Dakota Obstructionist Sings Old I-ThUNE - BrickBRACs to Bush </strong></p>
<p>New S. Dakota Obstructionist Sings Old I-ThUNE - BrickBRACs to Bush</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47301</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 01:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closing a series of bases hardly amounts to putting all the eggs in one basket.  There are still tons of eggs spread out across several more baskets.

The big question was which baskets the eggs should go in.  We may all have our opinions, but in the end I don&#039;t think it is a bad idea to consolidate some bases together.  Now if the closure plan was truly a &quot;let&#039;s put all the bases in three or four cities&quot; sure you could make that argument, but there are still tons of bases across the US that are remaining open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closing a series of bases hardly amounts to putting all the eggs in one basket.  There are still tons of eggs spread out across several more baskets.</p>
<p>The big question was which baskets the eggs should go in.  We may all have our opinions, but in the end I don't think it is a bad idea to consolidate some bases together.  Now if the closure plan was truly a "let's put all the bases in three or four cities" sure you could make that argument, but there are still tons of bases across the US that are remaining open.</p>
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		<title>By: Toolmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toolmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 22:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daschle is looking better every day.

  You never want to place all your eggs into a single basket. It may look great on paper, but History has many examples of why its best to spread out Military bases, even duplicating what they do at other sites. 

BTW, Consolidating Military bases to save money..? You think that the 300 Odd Billion we are spending in Iraq may have anything to do with this? If this Administration continues on its present course, we will have more Military in Iraq than we do in the United States.

  At some point i hope the American Public begins to see through the ineptitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daschle is looking better every day.</p>
<p>  You never want to place all your eggs into a single basket. It may look great on paper, but History has many examples of why its best to spread out Military bases, even duplicating what they do at other sites. </p>
<p>BTW, Consolidating Military bases to save money..? You think that the 300 Odd Billion we are spending in Iraq may have anything to do with this? If this Administration continues on its present course, we will have more Military in Iraq than we do in the United States.</p>
<p>  At some point i hope the American Public begins to see through the ineptitude.</p>
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		<title>By: c124</title>
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		<dc:creator>c124</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JustMe,

I guess you only fight in warm climes and the atmosphere is warm as Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JustMe,</p>
<p>I guess you only fight in warm climes and the atmosphere is warm as Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/thune_opposing_bolton_as_brac_payback/comment-page-1/#comment-47268</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 18:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One wonders what non-political reasons there are for closing the ND base and putting it all in â¦ Texas? &quot;

I can list a few.

Saves money, because you don&#039;t have to duplicate services in two different places.

Because the bases in Texas are larger, they can better accomodate absorbing a smaller base, than shutting down the one in Texas and moving it to SD (although if I remember right there are some Texas bases on the list, but I won&#039;t swear to it).

Another one is weather.  Weather in Texas is warm most of the year, verses SD.  YOu can get more training time in without as many weather related problems.

There may be others, but one that quickly comes to mind is that better than 50% of military volunteers come from the South, keeping the bases closer to their homes, may be in the end more likely to keep them in the military than moving them to places like SD or NE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"One wonders what non-political reasons there are for closing the ND base and putting it all in â¦ Texas? "</p>
<p>I can list a few.</p>
<p>Saves money, because you don't have to duplicate services in two different places.</p>
<p>Because the bases in Texas are larger, they can better accomodate absorbing a smaller base, than shutting down the one in Texas and moving it to SD (although if I remember right there are some Texas bases on the list, but I won't swear to it).</p>
<p>Another one is weather.  Weather in Texas is warm most of the year, verses SD.  YOu can get more training time in without as many weather related problems.</p>
<p>There may be others, but one that quickly comes to mind is that better than 50% of military volunteers come from the South, keeping the bases closer to their homes, may be in the end more likely to keep them in the military than moving them to places like SD or NE.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and don&#039;t forget this:

&lt;i&gt;Downsizing military bases is a painful but crucial step in the process of transforming the U.S. military into the kind of fighting force especially suited for this age of terror, President Bush told Naval Academy graduates Friday.

&quot;We have more bases than we need,&quot; Bush said in a commencement address to the academy&#039;s Class of 2005. &quot;Supporting these facilities wastes billions of taxpayer dollars - money that can be better spent on giving you the tools to fight terrorists and confront 21st-century threats.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So if you oppose a base&#039;s closing, you&#039;re with the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don't forget this:</p>
<p><i>Downsizing military bases is a painful but crucial step in the process of transforming the U.S. military into the kind of fighting force especially suited for this age of terror, President Bush told Naval Academy graduates Friday.</p>
<p>"We have more bases than we need," Bush said in a commencement address to the academy's Class of 2005. "Supporting these facilities wastes billions of taxpayer dollars - money that can be better spent on giving you the tools to fight terrorists and confront 21st-century threats."</i></p>
<p>So if you oppose a base's closing, you're with the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 18:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders what non-political reasons there are for closing the ND base and putting it all in ... Texas?  Has anyone noticed any Texans at the upper levels of our government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders what non-political reasons there are for closing the ND base and putting it all in ... Texas?  Has anyone noticed any Texans at the upper levels of our government?</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not help South Dakota, but it sure will help Thune in his re-election bid.  Tip O&#039;Neill was right about all politics being about local issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not help South Dakota, but it sure will help Thune in his re-election bid.  Tip O'Neill was right about all politics being about local issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I heard the same arguments during the first round of base closings, and every town that lost their bases managed to survive.

I totally understand him being mad, and I can totally understand him trying to do what he can to change the decision, but throwing a temper tantrum and voting against the administration in a fit over something totally unrelated is rediculous and childish.  It is like somebody kicking their dog, because their boss yelled at them.  

Somebody needs to give Thune a time out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I heard the same arguments during the first round of base closings, and every town that lost their bases managed to survive.</p>
<p>I totally understand him being mad, and I can totally understand him trying to do what he can to change the decision, but throwing a temper tantrum and voting against the administration in a fit over something totally unrelated is rediculous and childish.  It is like somebody kicking their dog, because their boss yelled at them.  </p>
<p>Somebody needs to give Thune a time out.</p>
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