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		<title>By: Olliander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olliander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m more curious about all that bailout money that was funneled overseas. I&#039;ve seen only one or two stories on it.

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Yes. The contracts that AIG paid out 100% on transactions that were underwater.  Amusing.

Bonus-gate was merely a distraction.  The REAL looters (politicians) are trying to project some faux populist angst against the traders over at AIG for bonuses that, as James noted, are a minimal portion of the total bonus money they&#039;ve received.  

Amazing how these things turn out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm more curious about all that bailout money that was funneled overseas. I've seen only one or two stories on it.</p>
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<p>Yes. The contracts that AIG paid out 100% on transactions that were underwater.  Amusing.</p>
<p>Bonus-gate was merely a distraction.  The REAL looters (politicians) are trying to project some faux populist angst against the traders over at AIG for bonuses that, as James noted, are a minimal portion of the total bonus money they've received.  </p>
<p>Amazing how these things turn out.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This congress is a disgrace! There is no end to this insanity! The PRESIDENT DOES NOT CARE!!!!! We must save this country! Thanks to you idiots who voted for OBAMA! Where is the TRANSPARENCY other than the fact we see through his agenda in spite of!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This congress is a disgrace! There is no end to this insanity! The PRESIDENT DOES NOT CARE!!!!! We must save this country! Thanks to you idiots who voted for OBAMA! Where is the TRANSPARENCY other than the fact we see through his agenda in spite of!</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Great!

When?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I reach the point (whenever that is) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Great!</p>
<p>When?</p></blockquote>
<p>When I reach the point (whenever that is) :)</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, do you think having an empty chair might be the best solution? Seems like you&#039;d agree, so I&#039;m curious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wouldn&#039;t be the best solution for the country, but it would probably be the best solution for any potential treasury secretary candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, do you think having an empty chair might be the best solution? Seems like you'd agree, so I'm curious.</p></blockquote>
<p>It wouldn't be the best solution for the country, but it would probably be the best solution for any potential treasury secretary candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Fannie Mae Retention Bonuses A-Okay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fannie Mae Retention Bonuses A-Okay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guess we can all these people to those Obama has so far thrown under the Bus. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Guess we can all these people to those Obama has so far thrown under the Bus. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure those are the most relevant parts of the constitution here, though there is the case to be made that Congress can&#039;t add new taxes to incomes received under the old tax code, but I&#039;m not sure about the precedent on that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps not directly to your point, but to the situation, this grab by Congress would certainly qualify as ex post facto law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm not sure those are the most relevant parts of the constitution here, though there is the case to be made that Congress can't add new taxes to incomes received under the old tax code, but I'm not sure about the precedent on that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps not directly to your point, but to the situation, this grab by Congress would certainly qualify as ex post facto law.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was more thinking about how specifically targeted this tax is to a group of people, simply for being politically out of favor. It will make for a very interesting SCOTUS case, if they want to push it that far.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose interesting is one word for it.  Terrifying is another.  Think about it, your preferred party isn&#039;t always going to be in power.  And using these kinds of punitive taxes is a great way to such up the opposition.  No longer will it just be the IRS auditing you, now you&#039;ll also get your own special &quot;pain in the ass&quot; tax.

But what the Hell people are pissed so lets just stone a few people to death in the public square to appease the angry God of the Economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was more thinking about how specifically targeted this tax is to a group of people, simply for being politically out of favor. It will make for a very interesting SCOTUS case, if they want to push it that far.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose interesting is one word for it.  Terrifying is another.  Think about it, your preferred party isn't always going to be in power.  And using these kinds of punitive taxes is a great way to such up the opposition.  No longer will it just be the IRS auditing you, now you'll also get your own special "pain in the ass" tax.</p>
<p>But what the Hell people are pissed so lets just stone a few people to death in the public square to appease the angry God of the Economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Article 1 Section 9
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Article 1 Section 10&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure those are the most relevant parts of the constitution here, though there is the case to be made that Congress can&#039;t add new taxes to incomes received under the old tax code, but I&#039;m not sure about the precedent on that.

I was more thinking about how specifically targeted this tax is to a group of people, simply for being politically out of favor.  It will make for a very interesting SCOTUS case, if they want to push it that far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Article 1 Section 9<br />
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Article 1 Section 10</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure those are the most relevant parts of the constitution here, though there is the case to be made that Congress can't add new taxes to incomes received under the old tax code, but I'm not sure about the precedent on that.</p>
<p>I was more thinking about how specifically targeted this tax is to a group of people, simply for being politically out of favor.  It will make for a very interesting SCOTUS case, if they want to push it that far.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, it turns out, Treasury knew about the AIG bonuses days earlier than we’d been led to believe (albeit not nearly as long as the Fed knew.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The idea that he was caught flat footed on this strains credulity to the breaking point&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, we now know that Dodd was pressured into adding this amendment by the Treasury (says Dodd...today...as well as an un-named &quot;source&quot;) so isn&#039;t it conclusive Geithner knew???....or at least someone high-up at the treasury knew???. I mean, why put that in with that date if you didn&#039;t know bonuses were coming down the pike???.

I&#039;m more curious about all that bailout money that was funneled overseas. I&#039;ve seen only one or two stories on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, it turns out, Treasury knew about the AIG bonuses days earlier than we&rsquo;d been led to believe (albeit not nearly as long as the Fed knew.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The idea that he was caught flat footed on this strains credulity to the breaking point</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, we now know that Dodd was pressured into adding this amendment by the Treasury (says Dodd...today...as well as an un-named "source") so isn't it conclusive Geithner knew???....or at least someone high-up at the treasury knew???. I mean, why put that in with that date if you didn't know bonuses were coming down the pike???.</p>
<p>I'm more curious about all that bailout money that was funneled overseas. I've seen only one or two stories on it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Impact and Accountability</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Impact and Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] morning James Joyner&#8217;s in a verdict on Tim Geithner&#8217;s tenure as Secretary of the Treasury is terse:  If Geithner continues to be an obstacle to Obama’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] morning James Joyner&#8217;s in a verdict on Tim Geithner&#8217;s tenure as Secretary of the Treasury is terse:  If Geithner continues to be an obstacle to Obama&rsquo;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I surely will agree with you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Great!

When?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I surely will agree with you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Great!</p>
<p>When?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m past that point; your tolerance levels may differ, but surely you can agree that you will reach it eventually if this continues?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I surely will agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm past that point; your tolerance levels may differ, but surely you can agree that you will reach it eventually if this continues?</p></blockquote>
<p>I surely will agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is singling out a specific group of people for additional taxation even legal? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Article 1 Section 9

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Article 1 Section 10

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Guess the answer is &#039;no&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is singling out a specific group of people for additional taxation even legal? </p></blockquote>
<p>Article 1 Section 9</p>
<p>No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.</p>
<p>Article 1 Section 10</p>
<p>No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.</p>
<p>Guess the answer is 'no'.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One question I increasingly find myself is why anyone in their right mind would want to be Treasury Secretary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m wondering why Edward Liddy would want to come out of retirement to work for an annual salary of $1 to get heckled by self-righteous demagogues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One question I increasingly find myself is why anyone in their right mind would want to be Treasury Secretary.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm wondering why Edward Liddy would want to come out of retirement to work for an annual salary of $1 to get heckled by self-righteous demagogues.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m now convinced that Geithner&#039;s supposed genius was mostly hype.  The man is a walking debacle.  He was involved in TARP 1.0, his taxes, now he knew about the bonuses before they became public knowledge, and I&#039;d be willing to bet that this issue came across his desk in New York back when he was head of the NY Fed Bank.  I don&#039;t think it is too unfair to say he is part of the problem.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Getting rather crowded under that bus, ain&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama came up through Illinois politics which is known for this kind of thing.  Not surprising really.  What I find amazing is how so many people can still act like sycophantic lickspittles for President Obama.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d think his willingness to jettison such people, and absorb the criticism and move on, would count as a plus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except for the fact that President Obama keeps picking these people.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama is stuck. Who do they have that could take over? It&#039;s not like they&#039;ve filled the lower Treasury positions. Can the economy survive with Treasury in perpetual limbo like Commerce?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It might actually be an improvement.  Everytime Geithner shows any part of his anatomy in public the stock market drops like a rock.  Usually it is to explain yet another boner.  Maybe just parking an empty chair in the Treasury would make things better not worse.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My suggestion would be Rahm Emanuel. He&#039;s got the experience, e.g. his time at Wasserstein Perella and &lt;strong&gt;his stint on the board of Freddie Mac&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh yeah, that last one is a huge plus.  Much better than Golden Geithner.  Please.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is singling out a specific group of people for additional taxation even legal? I mean, presumably it wouldn&#039;t be legal to create a 90% tax on bonuses to black people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Might be after Congress and Obama get done with this.  But hey, he&#039;s the Obamassiah, no need to worry.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This cycle would repeat until their reputation had been completely destroyed at which point they&#039;d be thrown out and a new chump would be chosen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, do you think having an empty chair might be the best solution?  Seems like you&#039;d agree, so I&#039;m curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm now convinced that Geithner's supposed genius was mostly hype.  The man is a walking debacle.  He was involved in TARP 1.0, his taxes, now he knew about the bonuses before they became public knowledge, and I'd be willing to bet that this issue came across his desk in New York back when he was head of the NY Fed Bank.  I don't think it is too unfair to say he is part of the problem.</p>
<blockquote><p>Getting rather crowded under that bus, ain't it?</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama came up through Illinois politics which is known for this kind of thing.  Not surprising really.  What I find amazing is how so many people can still act like sycophantic lickspittles for President Obama.</p>
<blockquote><p>I'd think his willingness to jettison such people, and absorb the criticism and move on, would count as a plus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except for the fact that President Obama keeps picking these people.</p>
<blockquote><p>Obama is stuck. Who do they have that could take over? It's not like they've filled the lower Treasury positions. Can the economy survive with Treasury in perpetual limbo like Commerce?</p></blockquote>
<p>It might actually be an improvement.  Everytime Geithner shows any part of his anatomy in public the stock market drops like a rock.  Usually it is to explain yet another boner.  Maybe just parking an empty chair in the Treasury would make things better not worse.</p>
<blockquote><p>My suggestion would be Rahm Emanuel. He's got the experience, e.g. his time at Wasserstein Perella and <strong>his stint on the board of Freddie Mac</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah, that last one is a huge plus.  Much better than Golden Geithner.  Please.</p>
<blockquote><p>Is singling out a specific group of people for additional taxation even legal? I mean, presumably it wouldn't be legal to create a 90% tax on bonuses to black people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Might be after Congress and Obama get done with this.  But hey, he's the Obamassiah, no need to worry.</p>
<blockquote><p>This cycle would repeat until their reputation had been completely destroyed at which point they'd be thrown out and a new chump would be chosen.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, do you think having an empty chair might be the best solution?  Seems like you'd agree, so I'm curious.</p>
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