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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try Cartman.

Please excuse my political incorrectness... but I was in an Irish-American Pub.  But since we&#039;re on the subject, the Pubs in Ireland, smoke if they damn well want to, regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try Cartman.</p>
<p>Please excuse my political incorrectness... but I was in an Irish-American Pub.  But since we're on the subject, the Pubs in Ireland, smoke if they damn well want to, regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Miss Attila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Miss Attila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Big Tobacco Is Coming to Get Us!...&lt;/strong&gt;

With tobacco lounges! Eeek! A mouse! A cigarette!......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Big Tobacco Is Coming to Get Us!...</strong></p>
<p>With tobacco lounges! Eeek! A mouse! A cigarette!......</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorBainbridge.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfessorBainbridge.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Smoking Speakeasys...&lt;/strong&gt;

Let the market decide -- James Joyner on the emergence of tobacco lounges in cities where smoking in bars has been banned:This actually seems like the perfect solution: Public restaurants and bars are smoke free so that the majority of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Smoking Speakeasys...</strong></p>
<p>Let the market decide -- James Joyner on the emergence of tobacco lounges in cities where smoking in bars has been banned:This actually seems like the perfect solution: Public restaurants and bars are smoke free so that the majority of...</p>
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		<title>By: Cartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Friday afternoon, in an Irish Pub, I had to listen to some lady flat-out bitch about the smoky atmosphere. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

LJD, 

Nice try!

You were obviously not in an Irish Pub since the pubs in Ireland are smoke-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Friday afternoon, in an Irish Pub, I had to listen to some lady flat-out bitch about the smoky atmosphere. </p></blockquote>
<p>LJD, </p>
<p>Nice try!</p>
<p>You were obviously not in an Irish Pub since the pubs in Ireland are smoke-free.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someday, some people will wake up and conclude that this &quot;no smoking &quot; thing is nothing more that a giant Money Money Machine devised by and for lawyers who have made Billions from smoking. 

If one chooses not to smoke or chooses not to patronize an establishment that allows smoking, then he or she has only not to go there.

The idea that &quot;If I don&#039;t like smoking&quot; you must be like me and not smoke is about as un American as anything I can think of.

But there are many closed minded people who will never change and will choose to ban smoking hoping to get in on the millions yet to be made by sleazy lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someday, some people will wake up and conclude that this "no smoking " thing is nothing more that a giant Money Money Machine devised by and for lawyers who have made Billions from smoking. </p>
<p>If one chooses not to smoke or chooses not to patronize an establishment that allows smoking, then he or she has only not to go there.</p>
<p>The idea that "If I don't like smoking" you must be like me and not smoke is about as un American as anything I can think of.</p>
<p>But there are many closed minded people who will never change and will choose to ban smoking hoping to get in on the millions yet to be made by sleazy lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Remember, the New Republican Economy consists of little other than low-pay service jobsâ?¦so these people donâ??t have much of a choice.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, we are all working 7 days a week shuffling between our jobs at McDonald&#039;s and Ruby Tuesdays.  It is a miracle so many people can spend so much time blogging.

And yes, people &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have a choice of where to work - people change jobs all the time, even at restaurants and bars!  And what is to say these people will stop at smoking?  You know, lots of people are allergic to peanuts, so why allow restaurants to offer them and cook with them to the chagrin of the lowly worker who is forced to work in a place that cooks with food he is allergic to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Remember, the New Republican Economy consists of little other than low-pay service jobsâ?¦so these people donâ??t have much of a choice.</i></p>
<p>Yes, we are all working 7 days a week shuffling between our jobs at McDonald's and Ruby Tuesdays.  It is a miracle so many people can spend so much time blogging.</p>
<p>And yes, people <i>do</i> have a choice of where to work - people change jobs all the time, even at restaurants and bars!  And what is to say these people will stop at smoking?  You know, lots of people are allergic to peanuts, so why allow restaurants to offer them and cook with them to the chagrin of the lowly worker who is forced to work in a place that cooks with food he is allergic to?</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they drop a piece in the article that explained how the club&#039;s employees were being kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to work in a smokey room?

If that&#039;s not the case, then it seems like another example of free market forces at play. Here&#039;s a job, but it entails working in a smoke-filled environment? Got a problem with that? Well, this job&#039;s not for you. There are alternative environments in which to work, just not at this particular place.

Were the club the sole employer of service staff, then this &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; be an issue. Since it&#039;s a unique employer it offers no hinderance to employees seeking smoke-free working environments, except in this one place in the entire city. Maybe all the employees like to work in a place that permits them to smoke on the job?

Rather than making tobacco stores re-invent themselves, anti-smoking laws should have been tailored to permit the business owners to decide whether or not it was in their economic interest to go smoke-free. As the majority of American&#039;s prefer no-smoking places, the majority of businesses would enact no-smoking policies. Those who chose to cater to smokers would acknowledge the limited number of their potential clientele and decide to take that economic risk.

Most anti-smoking laws are utter intrusions by the nanny state in decisions that properly belong in the hands of private businesses and individuals. Are non-smokers just too stupid to find places that have no-smoking policies so that they need the government to make the universe non-smoking? If &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s the problem, it&#039;s a far more serious one than a pack of cigarettes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they drop a piece in the article that explained how the club's employees were being kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to work in a smokey room?</p>
<p>If that's not the case, then it seems like another example of free market forces at play. Here's a job, but it entails working in a smoke-filled environment? Got a problem with that? Well, this job's not for you. There are alternative environments in which to work, just not at this particular place.</p>
<p>Were the club the sole employer of service staff, then this <em>might</em> be an issue. Since it's a unique employer it offers no hinderance to employees seeking smoke-free working environments, except in this one place in the entire city. Maybe all the employees like to work in a place that permits them to smoke on the job?</p>
<p>Rather than making tobacco stores re-invent themselves, anti-smoking laws should have been tailored to permit the business owners to decide whether or not it was in their economic interest to go smoke-free. As the majority of American's prefer no-smoking places, the majority of businesses would enact no-smoking policies. Those who chose to cater to smokers would acknowledge the limited number of their potential clientele and decide to take that economic risk.</p>
<p>Most anti-smoking laws are utter intrusions by the nanny state in decisions that properly belong in the hands of private businesses and individuals. Are non-smokers just too stupid to find places that have no-smoking policies so that they need the government to make the universe non-smoking? If <em>that</em>'s the problem, it's a far more serious one than a pack of cigarettes...</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Judson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Judson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll buy it, but only if you tell me what kind of hazard/danger pay the employees of the place should get for being forced to inhale smoke every working hour.  What kind of health plan do they offer, so if their employees end up with a smoking-related illness, they&#039;ll be taken care of?  

None, you say?  $2.00 an hour, you say, plus tips?  ;)

Remember, the New Republican Economy consists of little other than low-pay service jobs...so these people don&#039;t have much of a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll buy it, but only if you tell me what kind of hazard/danger pay the employees of the place should get for being forced to inhale smoke every working hour.  What kind of health plan do they offer, so if their employees end up with a smoking-related illness, they'll be taken care of?  </p>
<p>None, you say?  $2.00 an hour, you say, plus tips?  ;)</p>
<p>Remember, the New Republican Economy consists of little other than low-pay service jobs...so these people don't have much of a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. let the market decide.  So why do we have all of these stupid bans?

Friday afternoon, in an Irish Pub, I had to listen to some lady flat-out bitch about the smoky atmosphere.  There are at least two other Irish pubs in town, and several other bars that are non-smoking.  My comment to her- Shut up and go somewhere else!  If the owner gives a crap about your money, he&#039;ll change the rules on his own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. let the market decide.  So why do we have all of these stupid bans?</p>
<p>Friday afternoon, in an Irish Pub, I had to listen to some lady flat-out bitch about the smoky atmosphere.  There are at least two other Irish pubs in town, and several other bars that are non-smoking.  My comment to her- Shut up and go somewhere else!  If the owner gives a crap about your money, he'll change the rules on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>makes sense...I assume alcohol is banned in public places, except for pubs. Cigarretes also, except in tobaccorias...of course when the smokers complain about the drinkers alcohol will be banned from the tobacco bars, thus creating alcohol lounges that permit smoking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>makes sense...I assume alcohol is banned in public places, except for pubs. Cigarretes also, except in tobaccorias...of course when the smokers complain about the drinkers alcohol will be banned from the tobacco bars, thus creating alcohol lounges that permit smoking...</p>
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