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		<title>By: The Fruits of the Competence Dodge &#171; The United States of Jamerica</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fruits of the Competence Dodge &#171; The United States of Jamerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] policy adventurism than I find via James Joyner Washington Times editor Tony Blankley arguing that we should reinstate draft to prepare for the possibility of other occupations: Now, what happens if the Jihadis overthrow the Pakistani government — a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] policy adventurism than I find via James Joyner Washington Times editor Tony Blankley arguing that we should reinstate draft to prepare for the possibility of other occupations: Now, what happens if the Jihadis overthrow the Pakistani government — a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: steve s</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invading Iraq hasn&#039;t made us safer. Invading Afghanistan hasn&#039;t made us safer. In fact, if pushing the Taliban into Pakistan destabilizes &lt;strong&gt;nuclear&lt;/strong&gt; Pakistan, it&#039;s made us much less secure overall. 

The draft is going in the exact wrong direction. We need to return to a military just big enough to defend America (say, 100,000 members, $100 billion) and not big enough that we can easily run around kicking over beehives. Considering that we face no plausible existential threats, spending $800 billion a year is not just stupid but absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invading Iraq hasn't made us safer. Invading Afghanistan hasn't made us safer. In fact, if pushing the Taliban into Pakistan destabilizes <strong>nuclear</strong> Pakistan, it's made us much less secure overall. </p>
<p>The draft is going in the exact wrong direction. We need to return to a military just big enough to defend America (say, 100,000 members, $100 billion) and not big enough that we can easily run around kicking over beehives. Considering that we face no plausible existential threats, spending $800 billion a year is not just stupid but absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Infantry Officer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/tony_blankley_bring_back_the_draft/comment-page-1/#comment-613912</link>
		<dc:creator>Infantry Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Schuler, can I apocryphally quote Lev Bronstein?

&quot;You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.&quot;

BTW, I am an Infantry officer, heading back to Iraq for my second tour in three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Schuler, can I apocryphally quote Lev Bronstein?</p>
<p>"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."</p>
<p>BTW, I am an Infantry officer, heading back to Iraq for my second tour in three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The scenarios he envisions would likely be met with massive aerial strikes, not infantrymen fighting door-to-door.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fighting that kind of war is exactly what loses us any kind of moral standing in the world. &quot;Collateral damage&quot; is always enormous, and makes it impossible to govern afterward. Witness the growing condemnation of Israel today for its actions in Gaza. Condemnation, that is, from everywhere except this in nation, which cheers them on and makes comments like that quoted above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The scenarios he envisions would likely be met with massive aerial strikes, not infantrymen fighting door-to-door.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fighting that kind of war is exactly what loses us any kind of moral standing in the world. "Collateral damage" is always enormous, and makes it impossible to govern afterward. Witness the growing condemnation of Israel today for its actions in Gaza. Condemnation, that is, from everywhere except this in nation, which cheers them on and makes comments like that quoted above.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because Tony Blankley makes a daft proposal about the draft doesn&#039;t condemn conservative proposals and principles. To claim such is equally daft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Tony Blankley makes a daft proposal about the draft doesn't condemn conservative proposals and principles. To claim such is equally daft.</p>
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		<title>By: robertl</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see Blankley proposing this.  The logical extension of Gingrich and other conservatives&#039; claims that we are in WWIII and require perpetual invasions of various Islamic satrapies is that we need alot more bodies to fight those wars.  The only way to do this is through a draft.  At least it is out in the open and the cost of following their advice is available for all to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm glad to see Blankley proposing this.  The logical extension of Gingrich and other conservatives' claims that we are in WWIII and require perpetual invasions of various Islamic satrapies is that we need alot more bodies to fight those wars.  The only way to do this is through a draft.  At least it is out in the open and the cost of following their advice is available for all to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a draft would be one way to increase the size of the military.  Repealing the 13th amendment should bring down the cost of food and cotton, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a draft would be one way to increase the size of the military.  Repealing the 13th amendment should bring down the cost of food and cotton, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the 80,000 elite forces finished their fighting, we needed to flood the zone with 300,000 or 400,000 ground occupying troops. Every village, every main intersection, every building guarded — the resistance would never have arisen. We would have saved 4000 lives if we’d had enough troops. We sacrificed lives.&quot;

I challenge that assumption. Aside from the logistics/medical footprint required to support that many troops, it fails to acknowledge that it increases the number of targets as well. How many more soldiers and marines would have died before the body and vehicle armor to support those numbers was able to be produced? It took long enough for the ones who were there. This in a nation the size of California, loaded with weapons caches, and before the UAV capabilities we have now. I think a case can be made that flooding the zone might have been a disaster with even thousands more casualties.

Though maybe not if we had fought our way through Syria first with the Soviets taking out Iran from the East. But that was hardly an option, Tony, was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"When the 80,000 elite forces finished their fighting, we needed to flood the zone with 300,000 or 400,000 ground occupying troops. Every village, every main intersection, every building guarded — the resistance would never have arisen. We would have saved 4000 lives if we&rsquo;d had enough troops. We sacrificed lives."</p>
<p>I challenge that assumption. Aside from the logistics/medical footprint required to support that many troops, it fails to acknowledge that it increases the number of targets as well. How many more soldiers and marines would have died before the body and vehicle armor to support those numbers was able to be produced? It took long enough for the ones who were there. This in a nation the size of California, loaded with weapons caches, and before the UAV capabilities we have now. I think a case can be made that flooding the zone might have been a disaster with even thousands more casualties.</p>
<p>Though maybe not if we had fought our way through Syria first with the Soviets taking out Iran from the East. But that was hardly an option, Tony, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this even really that big an issue? After all, the biggest manpower tie-down is the Iraq occupation, and that is at least supposedly winding down into its final phase (with all US troops out by 2011). 

As long as you don&#039;t launch yourself into another Iraq-style war, what pressing manpower requirements are there that would require conscription to meet them? You could say &quot;Afghanistan&quot;, I suppose, but that&#039;s only if we try to go full &quot;protect the population&quot; counter-insurgency there, and try to do it alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this even really that big an issue? After all, the biggest manpower tie-down is the Iraq occupation, and that is at least supposedly winding down into its final phase (with all US troops out by 2011). </p>
<p>As long as you don't launch yourself into another Iraq-style war, what pressing manpower requirements are there that would require conscription to meet them? You could say "Afghanistan", I suppose, but that's only if we try to go full "protect the population" counter-insurgency there, and try to do it alone.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for the draft - I&#039;m 74 yrs old.....

Well its the same argumant being made for taking someone else&#039;s hard earned wealth because it&#039;s a free lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm all for the draft - I'm 74 yrs old.....</p>
<p>Well its the same argumant being made for taking someone else's hard earned wealth because it's a free lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I observed years ago (perhaps even at OTB) that Bush faced a catch-22.  He needed a draft to win his war, but ask for a draft, he could never have his war.  I was answered (then) by the conventional Right who said that troops weren&#039;t needed.  I said then that a million men, a troop on every corner, was needed to make the peace.  So sure.  A draft.

FWIW, I think the best argument for a draft/national-service arrangement is that we all live so darn long now.  We are approaching the day when a 2-year commitment is a 2% commitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I observed years ago (perhaps even at OTB) that Bush faced a catch-22.  He needed a draft to win his war, but ask for a draft, he could never have his war.  I was answered (then) by the conventional Right who said that troops weren't needed.  I said then that a million men, a troop on every corner, was needed to make the peace.  So sure.  A draft.</p>
<p>FWIW, I think the best argument for a draft/national-service arrangement is that we all live so darn long now.  We are approaching the day when a 2-year commitment is a 2% commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: teqjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>teqjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand Mr. SChuler&#039;s point above, troops needed to occupy territory, I wonder how he thinks the territory is gained in the first place? 
 
OK, I actually came to make an admittedly small point about a draft. In 1964, upon leaving school, I tried three times to join our armed forces (twice Army, once Air Force) - and was turned down. So I figured I was &quot;safe&quot; and got a job. Then was promptly drafted. Then discharged, after several months, as &quot;medically unfit for induction.&quot; 
 
Point being, the draft board set its standards to get a certain number of bodies regardless of the condition of those bodies, while the reality of requirements was ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand Mr. SChuler's point above, troops needed to occupy territory, I wonder how he thinks the territory is gained in the first place? </p>
<p>OK, I actually came to make an admittedly small point about a draft. In 1964, upon leaving school, I tried three times to join our armed forces (twice Army, once Air Force) - and was turned down. So I figured I was "safe" and got a job. Then was promptly drafted. Then discharged, after several months, as "medically unfit for induction." </p>
<p>Point being, the draft board set its standards to get a certain number of bodies regardless of the condition of those bodies, while the reality of requirements was ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: The Confabulum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feeling a Draft? You&#8217;ll Draw a Blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Confabulum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feeling a Draft? You&#8217;ll Draw a Blank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blankley wants to reinstate the draft so we can occupy portions of a collapsed Pakistan. I&#8217;ll warn you, Mr. Blankley: no one will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blankley wants to reinstate the draft so we can occupy portions of a collapsed Pakistan. I&#8217;ll warn you, Mr. Blankley: no one will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the converse is the better solution:  reduce the commitment of troops to what we can actually sustain.  IMO there&#039;s only one reason to have a large standing infantry and that&#039;s to occupy territory.  I don&#039;t believe that&#039;s something most Americans are interested in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the converse is the better solution:  reduce the commitment of troops to what we can actually sustain.  IMO there's only one reason to have a large standing infantry and that's to occupy territory.  I don't believe that's something most Americans are interested in.</p>
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