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	<title>Comments on: Torture and Sex: Moral Relativism or Morally Unrelated?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/torture_and_sex_moral_relativism_or_morally_unrelated/comment-page-1/#comment-1031918</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There again, based on my own experience, I think you&#039;d be surprised. The key, I suppose, is picking something that you feel passionate about to write to. It&#039;s that personal fire that attracts reader interest in the end.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, on the topics I&#039;d be interested enough in to write about, I&#039;m not nearly as knowledgeable as I need to be in order to write about them.  Once I understand something, I tend to lose interest in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There again, based on my own experience, I think you'd be surprised. The key, I suppose, is picking something that you feel passionate about to write to. It's that personal fire that attracts reader interest in the end.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, on the topics I'd be interested enough in to write about, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as I need to be in order to write about them.  Once I understand something, I tend to lose interest in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But it wasn&#039;t ever my writing ability that I was concerned with. Mostly nobody but me is likely to be interested in what I have to say, or the subject I want to say something about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There again, based on my own experience, I think you&#039;d be surprised. The key, I suppose, is picking something that you feel passionate about to write to. It&#039;s that personal fire that attracts reader interest in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But it wasn't ever my writing ability that I was concerned with. Mostly nobody but me is likely to be interested in what I have to say, or the subject I want to say something about.</p></blockquote>
<p>There again, based on my own experience, I think you'd be surprised. The key, I suppose, is picking something that you feel passionate about to write to. It's that personal fire that attracts reader interest in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, I dunno. You seem reasonably well spoken. I think you&#039;d be surpised, actually.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why thank you.  But it wasn&#039;t ever my writing ability that I was concerned with.  Mostly nobody but me is likely to be interested in what I have to say, or the subject I want to say something about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, I dunno. You seem reasonably well spoken. I think you'd be surpised, actually.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why thank you.  But it wasn't ever my writing ability that I was concerned with.  Mostly nobody but me is likely to be interested in what I have to say, or the subject I want to say something about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I dunno. You seem reasonably well spoken. I think you&#039;d be surpised, actually.

As for me, I&#039;ve never been top flight, but I manage to get by fairly well. A nice steady hit rate, over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I dunno. You seem reasonably well spoken. I think you'd be surpised, actually.</p>
<p>As for me, I've never been top flight, but I manage to get by fairly well. A nice steady hit rate, over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Spoken as one who has never actaully read what I write.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, I have.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Or, your own, of ME.
Funny, how that works.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Only I know that I would suck at blogging, which is why I don&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Spoken as one who has never actaully read what I write.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I have.</p>
<blockquote><p>Or, your own, of ME.<br />
Funny, how that works.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only I know that I would suck at blogging, which is why I don't do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Our Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief James, if you are going to walk both sides of the street, look both ways before you cross from one side to the other. Alan Dershowitz may be driving a car on the street as you cross, and as protector of Israel’s right to do anything in its national interest, he me wish to add you to his hit list. 

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200310/bowden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dark Art of Interrogation&lt;/a&gt; by Mark Bowden: &lt;blockquote&gt;The Geneva Convention makes no distinction: it bans any mistreatment of prisoners. But some nations that are otherwise committed to ending brutality have employed torture lite under what they feel are justifiable circumstances. In 1987 Israel attempted to codify a distinction between torture, which was banned, and &quot;moderate physical pressure,&quot; which was permitted in special cases. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Alan Dershowitz defended the massive destruction of Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure and the seeding of Southern Lebanon farm land with cluster bombs. He excoriate Jimmy Carter and his book. He found no problem in Israel’s use of phosphorous artillery shells in civilian areas, the civilian death toll, or the massive destruction of the Gaza strip. Even in soto voice he will never argue against torture, not as long as Israel engages in this practice.

Once again, my personnel thanks to correspondent PD Shaw for bringing Mark Bowden article to my attention. No matter what side of the fence you are one in this controversy, it is well worth your investment.

Pssst: I do believe you graced brother Alan’s last name with a “c” where non should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief James, if you are going to walk both sides of the street, look both ways before you cross from one side to the other. Alan Dershowitz may be driving a car on the street as you cross, and as protector of Israel&rsquo;s right to do anything in its national interest, he me wish to add you to his hit list. </p>
<p>From the <a href="http://http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200310/bowden" rel="nofollow">Dark Art of Interrogation</a> by Mark Bowden:<br />
<blockquote>The Geneva Convention makes no distinction: it bans any mistreatment of prisoners. But some nations that are otherwise committed to ending brutality have employed torture lite under what they feel are justifiable circumstances. In 1987 Israel attempted to codify a distinction between torture, which was banned, and "moderate physical pressure," which was permitted in special cases. </p></blockquote>
<p>Alan Dershowitz defended the massive destruction of Lebanon&rsquo;s civilian infrastructure and the seeding of Southern Lebanon farm land with cluster bombs. He excoriate Jimmy Carter and his book. He found no problem in Israel&rsquo;s use of phosphorous artillery shells in civilian areas, the civilian death toll, or the massive destruction of the Gaza strip. Even in soto voice he will never argue against torture, not as long as Israel engages in this practice.</p>
<p>Once again, my personnel thanks to correspondent PD Shaw for bringing Mark Bowden article to my attention. No matter what side of the fence you are one in this controversy, it is well worth your investment.</p>
<p>Pssst: I do believe you graced brother Alan&rsquo;s last name with a “c” where non should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second take:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Witness, please, your criticisms of Drum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or, your own, of ME.
Funny, how that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second take:</p>
<blockquote><p>Witness, please, your criticisms of Drum.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or, your own, of ME.<br />
Funny, how that works.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/torture_and_sex_moral_relativism_or_morally_unrelated/comment-page-1/#comment-1031755</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anybody who is good at their trade, is always more critical of their own work than that of others. Witness, please, your criticisms of Drum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(He arrived at the party, tall, dark, and uninformed)

Spoken as one who has never actaully read what I write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anybody who is good at their trade, is always more critical of their own work than that of others. Witness, please, your criticisms of Drum.</p></blockquote>
<p>(He arrived at the party, tall, dark, and uninformed)</p>
<p>Spoken as one who has never actaully read what I write.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ya I&#039;m twisted, lol.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Who is this &quot;we&quot; you speak of.&lt;/blockquote&gt; you really are in your own little reality ain&#039;t ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya I'm twisted, lol.</p>
<blockquote><p>Who is this "we" you speak of.</p></blockquote>
<p> you really are in your own little reality ain't ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisted sense of morality you have there G.A.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The pettiness of your arguments are mind numbing, we are at war with a fanatical religion based on the teaching of Lucifer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who is this &quot;we&quot; you speak of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisted sense of morality you have there G.A.</p>
<blockquote><p>The pettiness of your arguments are mind numbing, we are at war with a fanatical religion based on the teaching of Lucifer.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who is this "we" you speak of.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/torture_and_sex_moral_relativism_or_morally_unrelated/comment-page-1/#comment-1031652</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Christopher Hitchens, who is hardly a faint-hearted, lily livered leftist MoveOn member... (and who actually took the trouble to get informed on the subject in a first-hand way)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

oh ya Christopher Hitchens, hates you me himself and God, so you might not want pay him much heed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Christopher Hitchens, who is hardly a faint-hearted, lily livered leftist MoveOn member... (and who actually took the trouble to get informed on the subject in a first-hand way)</p></blockquote>
<p>oh ya Christopher Hitchens, hates you me himself and God, so you might not want pay him much heed.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/torture_and_sex_moral_relativism_or_morally_unrelated/comment-page-1/#comment-1031648</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To put it another way- why the love for the old testament&#039;s rather narrow view of morals and no love for the new testament&#039;s explicit commands to love your enemy? And which sin do you think really torques off God?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All sin dude, it&#039;s why we are cursed, why can&#039;t you understand anything.

Do you have any understanding that hundreds of millions of his children are being murdered because people like you think they have greater understand them Him.

The pettiness of your arguments are mind numbing, we are at war with a fanatical religion based on the teaching of Lucifer.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The US is now keeping company with the Spanish Inquisition, the KGB, and the Viet Cong... all because the Bush administration couldn&#039;t follow the rule of law. And you&#039;re just another piece of filth excusing torture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When we as a nation stop murdering babies for the love of our own understanding we might be justified in judging the actions of defending ourselves from other far more evil nations, until then lets worry about the big issues and stop the stupid little self persecutions for political gain and self adoration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To put it another way- why the love for the old testament's rather narrow view of morals and no love for the new testament's explicit commands to love your enemy? And which sin do you think really torques off God?</p></blockquote>
<p>All sin dude, it's why we are cursed, why can't you understand anything.</p>
<p>Do you have any understanding that hundreds of millions of his children are being murdered because people like you think they have greater understand them Him.</p>
<p>The pettiness of your arguments are mind numbing, we are at war with a fanatical religion based on the teaching of Lucifer.</p>
<blockquote><p>The US is now keeping company with the Spanish Inquisition, the KGB, and the Viet Cong... all because the Bush administration couldn't follow the rule of law. And you're just another piece of filth excusing torture.</p></blockquote>
<p>When we as a nation stop murdering babies for the love of our own understanding we might be justified in judging the actions of defending ourselves from other far more evil nations, until then lets worry about the big issues and stop the stupid little self persecutions for political gain and self adoration.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whose definition of torture&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Christopher Hitchens, who is hardly a faint-hearted, lily livered leftist MoveOn member... (and who actually took the trouble to get informed on the subject in a first-hand way)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whose definition of torture</p></blockquote>
<p>Christopher Hitchens, who is hardly a faint-hearted, lily livered leftist MoveOn member... (and who actually took the trouble to get informed on the subject in a first-hand way)</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whose definition of torture&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Prior to the Bush administration we defined waterboarding as torture.  It was used by the Spanish Inquisition among many others.  Extreme sleep deprivation is torture.  It was used by the KGB for one.  Forced stress positions are torture.  They&#039;ve been used by the Viet Cong recently.

The US is now keeping company with the Spanish Inquisition, the KGB, and the Viet Cong... all because the Bush administration couldn&#039;t follow the rule of law. And you&#039;re just another piece of filth excusing torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whose definition of torture</p></blockquote>
<p>Prior to the Bush administration we defined waterboarding as torture.  It was used by the Spanish Inquisition among many others.  Extreme sleep deprivation is torture.  It was used by the KGB for one.  Forced stress positions are torture.  They've been used by the Viet Cong recently.</p>
<p>The US is now keeping company with the Spanish Inquisition, the KGB, and the Viet Cong... all because the Bush administration couldn't follow the rule of law. And you're just another piece of filth excusing torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is that when it comes to two people enjoying consensual sex there are a lot of wingers who go ape-%$#@, but when it comes to butchery of one&#039;s helpless enemies for fun or profit... well that&#039;s just dandy.

To put it another way- why the love for the old testament&#039;s rather narrow view of morals and no love for the new testament&#039;s explicit commands to love your enemy?  And which sin do you think really torques off God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is that when it comes to two people enjoying consensual sex there are a lot of wingers who go ape-%$#@, but when it comes to butchery of one's helpless enemies for fun or profit... well that's just dandy.</p>
<p>To put it another way- why the love for the old testament's rather narrow view of morals and no love for the new testament's explicit commands to love your enemy?  And which sin do you think really torques off God?</p>
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