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	<title>Comments on: Transcript of Scalia&#8217;s Wilson Center Remarks</title>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39588</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kappiy and GP:
&quot;All you need is a legislature and a ballot box.&quot;

Scalia is saying two things: that ideas not mentioned at all in the Constitution AS WRITTEN AT THIS MOMENT should be handled by legislation AND that matters stated broadly in the Constitution should be particularized at the state and federal levels by the will of the majority as enacted by their legislative representatives.  

The unexpressed third principle has already been mentioned by McGehee--if you don&#039;t like what the Constitution says on a given topic at this moment, amend it in accordance to the legislative process already in place, not by judicial fiat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kappiy and GP:<br />
"All you need is a legislature and a ballot box."</p>
<p>Scalia is saying two things: that ideas not mentioned at all in the Constitution AS WRITTEN AT THIS MOMENT should be handled by legislation AND that matters stated broadly in the Constitution should be particularized at the state and federal levels by the will of the majority as enacted by their legislative representatives.  </p>
<p>The unexpressed third principle has already been mentioned by McGehee--if you don't like what the Constitution says on a given topic at this moment, amend it in accordance to the legislative process already in place, not by judicial fiat.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39509</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really astonishing how little so many know about the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's really astonishing how little so many know about the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39491</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not all that complicated.  It&#039;s not that &quot;abortion&quot; isn&#039;t in the Constitution.  Neither is &quot;Internet,&quot; but judges can reasonably treat apply speech, media, and commerce rulings to new media.  Abortion existed at the time of the Founding and, until 1973 (damned near 200 years, in other words) was never construed to contain a right thereto.

And, GP, the 13th Amendment rather clearly prohibits slavery.  It took an amendment (and, indeed, a war) to get there since the original text rather clearly protected slavery. (The 3/5 Compromise and all that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not all that complicated.  It's not that "abortion" isn't in the Constitution.  Neither is "Internet," but judges can reasonably treat apply speech, media, and commerce rulings to new media.  Abortion existed at the time of the Founding and, until 1973 (damned near 200 years, in other words) was never construed to contain a right thereto.</p>
<p>And, GP, the 13th Amendment rather clearly prohibits slavery.  It took an amendment (and, indeed, a war) to get there since the original text rather clearly protected slavery. (The 3/5 Compromise and all that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Olivier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Olivier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;The language and history of the Ninth Amendment reveal that the Framers of the Constitution believed that there are additional fundamental rights, protected from governmental infringement, which exist alongside those fundamental rights specifically mentioned in the first eight constitutional amendments&quot; - The &quot;Living Documentists&quot; that Scalia abhors are enfranchised in the 9th amendment. The Federalists were worried that rights that weren&#039;t expressly granted by the Bill of Rights would be endangered, so they insisted on inclusion of the 9th amendment- &quot;The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.&quot; Ironically, whether you read the Constitution as an Originalist or as a Living Documentist, both logically reach the same conclusion- the Constitution was meant to be a flexible, living document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>''The language and history of the Ninth Amendment reveal that the Framers of the Constitution believed that there are additional fundamental rights, protected from governmental infringement, which exist alongside those fundamental rights specifically mentioned in the first eight constitutional amendments" - The "Living Documentists" that Scalia abhors are enfranchised in the 9th amendment. The Federalists were worried that rights that weren't expressly granted by the Bill of Rights would be endangered, so they insisted on inclusion of the 9th amendment- "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Ironically, whether you read the Constitution as an Originalist or as a Living Documentist, both logically reach the same conclusion- the Constitution was meant to be a flexible, living document.</p>
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		<title>By: space</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39485</link>
		<dc:creator>space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scalia should just be thankful that his fellow justices don&#039;t spend much time trying to humiliate him by (a) pointing out the flaws in Originalism (e.g. under an Originalist interpretation freedom of expression would be vastly curtailed as the First Amendment was never originally intended to cover much beyond political speech) or (b) pointing out all the times where Scalia deviates from his own stated mode of judging (e.g. his refusal to let Congress abrogate State sovereign immunity under the Commerce Clause by reading into the X and XI Amendments a natural-law right of states that isn&#039;t expressly mentioned).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalia should just be thankful that his fellow justices don't spend much time trying to humiliate him by (a) pointing out the flaws in Originalism (e.g. under an Originalist interpretation freedom of expression would be vastly curtailed as the First Amendment was never originally intended to cover much beyond political speech) or (b) pointing out all the times where Scalia deviates from his own stated mode of judging (e.g. his refusal to let Congress abrogate State sovereign immunity under the Commerce Clause by reading into the X and XI Amendments a natural-law right of states that isn't expressly mentioned).</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
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		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Originalism seems all a bit too simplistic in that it treats the Constitution as a cook book.  If the ingredients aren&#039;t in the text, then throw your hands up and call &quot;Uncle&quot;.  Scalia doesn&#039;t see the word &quot;abortion&quot;, so it can&#039;t be protected.

Isn&#039;t it also based on a fantasy?  Can we actually get into the heads of the Founding Fathers?  We can read books, but it won&#039;t let us get into their really meaning.  Further, the Constitution was written within a context (social, political, scientific, etc.), which is far different from the context in which Scalia reads it today.  How then is it that anyone reading it today isn&#039;t reading into it the context of modern life in a way that doesn&#039;t automatically violate the strictures of originalism.  Freedom meant something very different in 1791 than it does today.  But without a time machine, there is really no way to know with the precision required by Scalia&#039;s job to know what the Founding Fathers meant.  And why are we protecting 1791&#039;s version of freedom if that is wholly different than what most would agree is freedom today?

It is not that I am saying it is an inadmirable goal for Constitutional judges to try to stick to the text and not wildly read into it something that clearly is not there.  But every Constitutional case has to do this by necessity.

And why do we care that much about the context in 1791?  The text clearly was not intended to prohibit ownership of black slaves.  Yet what if blacks were to become the majority and decide they wanted to own white slaves - would Scalia view this as Constitutional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Originalism seems all a bit too simplistic in that it treats the Constitution as a cook book.  If the ingredients aren't in the text, then throw your hands up and call "Uncle".  Scalia doesn't see the word "abortion", so it can't be protected.</p>
<p>Isn't it also based on a fantasy?  Can we actually get into the heads of the Founding Fathers?  We can read books, but it won't let us get into their really meaning.  Further, the Constitution was written within a context (social, political, scientific, etc.), which is far different from the context in which Scalia reads it today.  How then is it that anyone reading it today isn't reading into it the context of modern life in a way that doesn't automatically violate the strictures of originalism.  Freedom meant something very different in 1791 than it does today.  But without a time machine, there is really no way to know with the precision required by Scalia's job to know what the Founding Fathers meant.  And why are we protecting 1791's version of freedom if that is wholly different than what most would agree is freedom today?</p>
<p>It is not that I am saying it is an inadmirable goal for Constitutional judges to try to stick to the text and not wildly read into it something that clearly is not there.  But every Constitutional case has to do this by necessity.</p>
<p>And why do we care that much about the context in 1791?  The text clearly was not intended to prohibit ownership of black slaves.  Yet what if blacks were to become the majority and decide they wanted to own white slaves - would Scalia view this as Constitutional?</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that he is arguing that additional amendments should be removed.  Adding amendments through the constitution is a legislative, not a judicial or excecutive proccess.

Congress passes the amendment, then 2/3&#039;s of the states have to ratify it, in order for it to become part of the constitution, I would assume that you could refer to those additional amendments with an originalists viewpoint though to when they were added.

For instance, if Congress wanted to write an admenment that defined capital punishment as cruel and unusual, and it passed and was ratified, then it would become part of constitutional law, verses the Supremes deciding that because of revolving standards, it is cruel and unusual based on the 8th amendment.

That is the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know that he is arguing that additional amendments should be removed.  Adding amendments through the constitution is a legislative, not a judicial or excecutive proccess.</p>
<p>Congress passes the amendment, then 2/3's of the states have to ratify it, in order for it to become part of the constitution, I would assume that you could refer to those additional amendments with an originalists viewpoint though to when they were added.</p>
<p>For instance, if Congress wanted to write an admenment that defined capital punishment as cruel and unusual, and it passed and was ratified, then it would become part of constitutional law, verses the Supremes deciding that because of revolving standards, it is cruel and unusual based on the 8th amendment.</p>
<p>That is the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39480</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Heck, we were successful in overturning the 18th amendment to get back to a more âoriginalistâ position.&lt;/i&gt;

By ratifying the 21st Amendment, in accordance with the written rules &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; the Constitution for amending it. What&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Heck, we were successful in overturning the 18th amendment to get back to a more âoriginalistâ position.</i></p>
<p>By ratifying the 21st Amendment, in accordance with the written rules <i>in</i> the Constitution for amending it. What's your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Myopic Zeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myopic Zeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Scalia on the &quot;Living Constitution&quot; Doctrine&lt;/strong&gt;
ThreeBadFingers has an interesting transcript of a discussion with Justice Scalia.

Kent Hughes:
Mr. Justice Scalia, what do you think has caused the emergence of the Living Constitution doctrine? What were the forces in society, were there pressure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Scalia on the "Living Constitution" Doctrine</strong><br />
ThreeBadFingers has an interesting transcript of a discussion with Justice Scalia.</p>
<p>Kent Hughes:<br />
Mr. Justice Scalia, what do you think has caused the emergence of the Living Constitution doctrine? What were the forces in society, were there pressure...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/transcript_of_scalias_wilson_center_remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-39472</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no.  Scalia isn&#039;t arguing that the way things were in 1789 are &lt;em&gt;better&lt;/em&gt; than they are now.  He merely asserts that the Constitution, as it was written, is what&#039;s binding on judges unless the Constitution has been amended, in which case the amendment means what it means at that point in time.

The alternative is a Constitution that has no meaning except the desires of a majority of the Supreme Court at any particular instant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no.  Scalia isn't arguing that the way things were in 1789 are <em>better</em> than they are now.  He merely asserts that the Constitution, as it was written, is what's binding on judges unless the Constitution has been amended, in which case the amendment means what it means at that point in time.</p>
<p>The alternative is a Constitution that has no meaning except the desires of a majority of the Supreme Court at any particular instant.</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Scalia will lead the charge to get rid of those pesky amendments that have sullied the original intent of the Constitution.

Heck, we were successful in overturning the 18th amendment to get back to a more &quot;originalist&quot; position.  Let&#039;s get rid of the rest of them.  They certainly are superfluous and have resulted in the kind of &quot;massive disruption of the...social order&quot; that Scalia decried in his dissent to the Lawrence case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Scalia will lead the charge to get rid of those pesky amendments that have sullied the original intent of the Constitution.</p>
<p>Heck, we were successful in overturning the 18th amendment to get back to a more "originalist" position.  Let's get rid of the rest of them.  They certainly are superfluous and have resulted in the kind of "massive disruption of the...social order" that Scalia decried in his dissent to the Lawrence case.</p>
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