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	<title>Comments on: Truckers Recruited in War on Terror</title>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/truckers_recruited_in_war_on_terror/comment-page-1/#comment-33158</link>
		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problems with truckers and I agree with Paul, Ralph, &amp; Russell, in theory; but $40 million is a staggering amount to give to an industry lobbyist group.

One of the main problems that many people had with the establishment of Homeland Security was whether establishing and funding a big bureaucracy would be ripe for financial abuse and chicanery.  

I&#039;d like to know exactly what that $40 million is is getting taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problems with truckers and I agree with Paul, Ralph, &#038; Russell, in theory; but $40 million is a staggering amount to give to an industry lobbyist group.</p>
<p>One of the main problems that many people had with the establishment of Homeland Security was whether establishing and funding a big bureaucracy would be ripe for financial abuse and chicanery.  </p>
<p>I'd like to know exactly what that $40 million is is getting taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kappiy &#039;s point not withstanding, I think it is an excellent idea.

I worked a few years unloading trucks and later in life I worked part time as a CB radio repair guy... (When you pay your own way thru school you&#039;ll do anything) Both jobs had me working with truckers.

The knowledge the truckers have of their environment is actually quite impressive. The rules on all trucks, but especially on hazardous cargo are quite complex. Truckers can spot anomalies with another truck far quicker than a typical police officer. 

Not to mention the community effect. 

The advantage of using truckers goes well beyond simply having more eyes and ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kappiy 's point not withstanding, I think it is an excellent idea.</p>
<p>I worked a few years unloading trucks and later in life I worked part time as a CB radio repair guy... (When you pay your own way thru school you'll do anything) Both jobs had me working with truckers.</p>
<p>The knowledge the truckers have of their environment is actually quite impressive. The rules on all trucks, but especially on hazardous cargo are quite complex. Truckers can spot anomalies with another truck far quicker than a typical police officer. </p>
<p>Not to mention the community effect. </p>
<p>The advantage of using truckers goes well beyond simply having more eyes and ears.</p>
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		<title>By: kappiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that struck me about this post was the cost!  $40 Million!  How on earth could such a simple, one-hour training program, low-capital project cost that much?!?!

According to the Bureau of Labor statistics, there are 2.8 million truck drivers.  This number encompasses all truckers--even those doing local delivery who would not be part of this program.  Assuming all 2.8 million took the training, it would wind up costing $14/$15 per trucker.  Obviously, since the program is geared more toward highway workers, the number of truckers going through the program is probably much less.


I think that this &quot;program&quot; is a better example of government pork.  It is important to remember that he American Trucking Associations is a major Washington lobbying group who has hired Haley Barbour and Linda Daschle to do their bidding.

To fund a lobbying group to do &quot;homeland security&quot; training smacks of special interest influence peddling at its worse.

Links: Trucking stats:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos246.htm
ATA&#039;s Lobbyists:
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/client.asp?id=1132&amp;year=2000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that struck me about this post was the cost!  $40 Million!  How on earth could such a simple, one-hour training program, low-capital project cost that much?!?!</p>
<p>According to the Bureau of Labor statistics, there are 2.8 million truck drivers.  This number encompasses all truckers--even those doing local delivery who would not be part of this program.  Assuming all 2.8 million took the training, it would wind up costing $14/$15 per trucker.  Obviously, since the program is geared more toward highway workers, the number of truckers going through the program is probably much less.</p>
<p>I think that this "program" is a better example of government pork.  It is important to remember that he American Trucking Associations is a major Washington lobbying group who has hired Haley Barbour and Linda Daschle to do their bidding.</p>
<p>To fund a lobbying group to do "homeland security" training smacks of special interest influence peddling at its worse.</p>
<p>Links: Trucking stats:<br />
<a href="http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos246.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos246.htm</a><br />
ATA's Lobbyists:<br />
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/client.asp?id=1132&#038;year=2000" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/client.asp?id=1132&#038;year=2000</a></p>
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		<title>By: Russell Newquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Newquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also makes a lot of sense given that truckers can often just be in the right place at the right time to notice something.  Take, for example, the DC sniper case.  The snipers were spotted at a rest area by a trucker who happened to hear a radio report to look out for their car.  He then had the foresight to turn his truck into a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; effective makeshift barricade to prevent them from leaving.

It doesn&#039;t take much imagination to come up with scenarios where an alert trucker, who knows what to look for, could find himself in exactly the right spot to thwart a terrorist attack by reporting something suspicious and/or using his truck as a barricade again.

$40 million seems a little pricy for a program like this, but that may very well just be because I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s actually being spent on.  Nevertheless, the idea itself is an &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also makes a lot of sense given that truckers can often just be in the right place at the right time to notice something.  Take, for example, the DC sniper case.  The snipers were spotted at a rest area by a trucker who happened to hear a radio report to look out for their car.  He then had the foresight to turn his truck into a <em>very</em> effective makeshift barricade to prevent them from leaving.</p>
<p>It doesn't take much imagination to come up with scenarios where an alert trucker, who knows what to look for, could find himself in exactly the right spot to thwart a terrorist attack by reporting something suspicious and/or using his truck as a barricade again.</p>
<p>$40 million seems a little pricy for a program like this, but that may very well just be because I don't know what it's actually being spent on.  Nevertheless, the idea itself is an <em>extremely</em> good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 1990-2000 I drove throughout the U.S. (mostly east of the Mississippi) for a major trucking firm. This is not a bad idea. Most of the time (when distant from metro areas where CB radio is often swamped with idiots and &quot;garbage-mouths&quot;) truckers are wont to maintain a virtual moving &quot;community&quot; over the CB radio that extends &quot;eyes and ears&quot; over large areas of highway. The vast majority of drivers would take pride in doing this sort of &quot;watch&quot; and would strive to do it well. A little bit of organization and coordination might be all it would take to make the most of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 1990-2000 I drove throughout the U.S. (mostly east of the Mississippi) for a major trucking firm. This is not a bad idea. Most of the time (when distant from metro areas where CB radio is often swamped with idiots and "garbage-mouths") truckers are wont to maintain a virtual moving "community" over the CB radio that extends "eyes and ears" over large areas of highway. The vast majority of drivers would take pride in doing this sort of "watch" and would strive to do it well. A little bit of organization and coordination might be all it would take to make the most of this.</p>
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